Comments on Guy Fawkes' blog of parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy: Dave : "Nationalise Democracy"

1. Encourage private donations from those who want...

2007-12-04T11:04:00.000Z

1. Encourage private donations from those who want to fund the political process.
2. Put all donations into one big pot.
3. Distribute evenly amongst all parliamentary candidates.

Fair, simple, and non-fattening.

For 45 years i really wasn’t sure for the last 19 ...

2007-12-04T08:31:00.000Z

For 45 years i really wasn’t sure for the last 19 I have been.

There really is no difference between politicians.

Dave C will be just as bad as G Brown.

Learn the lessons from history, why give them the right to live off your enterprise.

Next election turn out and spoil your paper, write on it in bold letters exactly what you think of them.

You have nothing to lose for any vote in the current system is a vote for self-exploitation.

Get your own back and get even too!

Oh really, did he have a job as a brickie?

2007-12-04T00:49:00.000Z

Oh really, did he have a job as a brickie?

You are somewhat unfair on Clegg, who has on his c...

2007-12-04T00:47:00.000Z

You are somewhat unfair on Clegg, who has on his c.v. involvement in reconstruction of the east European accession states.

The excuse that Brown has thrown out in preparatio...

2007-12-03T23:59:00.000Z

The excuse that Brown has thrown out in preparation for state funding is that since they can't be trusted to comply with the law the law needs to be changed so that they can!

Pitchfork and torches time.

I am not entirely opposed to some state support of...

2007-12-03T21:56:00.000Z

I am not entirely opposed to some state support of political activity.

However, it must be directly linked to membership and activities at local level.

It must not be yet another trough for the bloated political classes to dip into.

Most of the current crop do not believe in participative democracy. They have been politicians all their lives, beliveving only in themselves and their own self-importance, from student union days to parliament.

If state funds are used to prop up this self-perpetuating political class, we will never see the back of them. We will be governed for the forseeable future by a self-selecting class of career egoists ruling through media manupulation and patronage. And it will take a revolution to unseat them.

I am not against state funding, but the rotten heart needs to be ripped out of this corrupt political machine and returned to mass membership. Get rid of lobbyists, policy advisors, spin doctors and the rest - these are the creatures of patronage who will screw the taxpayer for all they can.

Most of the concerns held by most of the population can be easily identified and summarised - house prices, street crime, uncontrolled legal and illegal immigration, troops in Iraq, poor healthcare, poor schooling. It does not take focus groups or policy analysts to work this out - these are the sorts of geniuses that come up with ID cards and Millennium Domes. If mass membership offered the opportunity to actually shape policy rather than have it decided for them and spun to them, then people would join and support parties.

Also, if membership was the only way to secure funding (with some sort of matched state funding) then politicians would manage to find a way to encourage this - they would have to!

whilst the red despot spotter ,has little time for...

2007-12-03T20:27:00.000Z

whilst the red despot spotter ,has little time for the nu labour bunch of crooks , state funding of political parties is deeply flawed , MPs earn a good wage and are bear enough paid for evrything else they do when awake via expenses. state funding will not stop illegal donations , propetry developement nods and the like .

donations to parties is best that way if there polices are rubbish they dont get resourced.
also i would like to see a return of the constituancey debate, which as daunting as it may seem to the not so good at it , would at least either work in infroming the public or the member of parliment , the sooner they get to live in the real world the better.

It seems to me the only people making an argument ...

2007-12-03T19:42:00.000Z

It seems to me the only people making an argument for state funding are the people who stand to benefit - politicians!

I'd greatly resent any of the tax I pay going to fund hideous and malicious billboards, activists dressing up as Star Trek characters or whatever their next harebrained plan may be.

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KS Rees

Let Camoron sink with the Brown ship!about time I ...

2007-12-03T18:53:00.000Z

Let Camoron sink with the Brown ship!

about time I say, we dont need 3 liberal left parties.

I have written to Cameron, but will he take any no...

2007-12-03T18:38:00.000Z

I have written to Cameron, but will he take any notice? Time to overload his email?

camerond@parliament.uk

It's obviously all a plot to get state funding, on...

2007-12-03T18:10:00.000Z

It's obviously all a plot to get state funding, one the Tories seem to be part of.

Although I'd love to see Nu Comm flushed down the toilet nothing will happen to them.

Cameron should be fucking ashamed.

lets be plain Cameron is a fucking joke Brown is a...

2007-12-03T18:03:00.000Z

lets be plain

Cameron is a fucking joke

Brown is a fucking joke

The EU is a fucking joke

and the electorate for not standing up to it - is a fucking joke!

Plain enough for you sheep?

baaaa baaaa baaaa

If the leader of a political party has officials i...

2007-12-03T17:51:00.000Z

If the leader of a political party has officials in that party criminally breaking the law, then the only issue that the public wants addressed now, is that those officials including the leader - whoever - face the consequences which are enshrined in that legislation.

Absolutely the last thing voters want to hear are gravy-train proposals over party funding. Cameron has misjudged - like grammar schools - public opinion.

The lack of voter participation already undermines the mandate to not only govern but to serve in parliament. Unless the voters believe that those up for election mean what they say and what they say makes sense, then the political system will continue to fail to serve public interest.

Is Cameron the sort of politician that can look you straight in the eye, say what he believes and persuade you that he means it and that he's right? Sadly, I don't think so.

Part of the reason that Maggie got so much media stick was that she always ploughed on ignoring the pundits and media-hyped opposition. The lady was not for turning. Her biggest crime though in the sophisticos ears was to actually say what she believed.

Now we have the superficial shimmering of media dandy-ism wearing red, blue and yellow rosettes.

Oh dear.

Financial ReportBank Morgan Stanislav forgot to no...

2007-12-03T17:46:00.000Z

Financial Report

Bank Morgan Stanislav forgot to note that against all major currencies the Zim dollar actually rose too.

`Dave` - "us in power, keep their power and fuck t...

2007-12-03T17:32:00.000Z

`Dave` -

"us in power, keep their power and fuck the tax payer and democracy!

fuck you all, we are controlled by the EU you fools and we want the gravy train to continue faster than ever.

you cunts will vote for us regardless - you are creatures of habit - BAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA"

Bankers Morgan Stanislav today took a gloomy view ...

2007-12-03T17:24:00.000Z

Bankers Morgan Stanislav today took a gloomy view of the economy.

"House price is shit, bank is shit, shops is shit. Like Poland in mediaeval time. Stinks. Dollar fucked, Euro fucked, quid fucked."

However there is a silver lining:

"Zloty new world currency. Is nice."

The final nail has just gone into the coffin of de...

2007-12-03T17:23:00.000Z

The final nail has just gone into the coffin of democracy!

vote the bastards out, now!

the only public money these bastards should recieve is the dole.

vote anyone but these mainstreme bastards in power.

instead vote UKIP/BNP/green/plaid/SNP

just unseat as many mainstreme polititians as possible at every opportunity.

remove their money grabbing thieving gravy train jobs from them.

Cameron should be pointing out that Brown's plan f...

2007-12-03T17:19:00.000Z

Cameron should be pointing out that Brown's plan for new laws is irrelevant if Labour are going to break them. We had new laws in 2000, and Labour just broke them. Why waste time on more laws?

ppusher David Miliband is said to be more than a b...

2007-12-03T17:15:00.001Z

ppusher

David Miliband is said to be more than a bit pissed off aswell after he was sidelined by Brown in favour of those two muslim publicity seeking spivs who went to Sudan to do Miliband's job for him.

Poor little David is said to be feeling "totally humiliated".

aaahhhhhh!!!

No "state" funding of political parties. No lunati...

2007-12-03T17:15:00.000Z

No "state" funding of political parties.

No lunatic ID card nonsense.

No mad medical database.

No EU constitution.

No Jock McScotch MP votes on English issues.

No more insane illiberal "security" laws.

No more time for Wendy - fetch rope, find tree.

No to the Milliband Midwich Cuckoo Mutees.

No to the BBC - it has run its course and is a laughing stock.

And, no more being unkind to Prudence. She is a walking-talking-living satire and will be the end of the Labour Party.

Oh, and isn't Cameron just dragging out the whole sleaze matter. If I were him I would keep schtoom but I suppose he knows his business. Let us hope so.

They can fuck off with the taxpayer funding Id cal...

2007-12-03T17:10:00.000Z

They can fuck off with the taxpayer funding Id call it theft with menace.so how about no donations cos people want payback so when you vote there is a bucket by the ballot box and at the end its shared out by vote to the party involved.This would ensure nulab cant waste my cash and the penalties for fraud should be massive(give the bastards a copy of the rules to sign and return so no mistakes there) see easy.

Camoron, Brown etc, obviously have so little publi...

2007-12-03T17:09:00.000Z

Camoron, Brown etc, obviously have so little public support that they now need to rob the public further rather than rely on members donations.

it will also be rigged to keep out the little parties SNP/BNP who are the only ones to keep the mainstreme crooks on their toes.

we have already lost most of our democratic voice to the EUSSR and now we will lose even more to these greedy westminister crooks.

and just like their own pay rises they will be sure to vote it in anyway.

democracy is dead!

want out of this nightmare? vote for the smaller parties and crush these crooks.

Next years house price crash will destroy Brown an...

2007-12-03T16:56:00.000Z

Next years house price crash will destroy Brown and his lousy government:

UK housing bubble 'about to burst'

03/12/2007 - 10:31:28

UK housing bubble 'about to
burst' The Liberal Democrats today warned of a possible "crash" in house prices, with millions in negative equity or struggling to repay their debts.

Acting leader Vince Cable told a Westminster briefing: "Gordon Brown's reputation is built on economic growth but there are ominous signs that the bubble is now about to burst.

"Brown's economic miracle has been over-dependent on consumer spending generated by mounting household debt, much of it secured against a grossly inflated bubble in the housing market.

"With the credit crunch now biting and the economy slowing we could see millions struggling to pay their debts leading them into mortgage arrears, repossession and negative equity."

http://www.24dash.com/news/1/29763/index.htm

I have very modest resources but I have already de...

2007-12-03T16:55:00.000Z

I have very modest resources but I have already decided that if these grasping, greedy, arrogant c**ts carry on this way I will use £5000 out of my retirement savings to stand as an Independent on a manifesto with two promises

A) No tax payer funding
B) Cut existing salaries, expenses allowances, communications allowances, wife (she's really my secretary)allowances,second home allowances and pension fund contributions (plus any other fiddles I haven't found out about yet) by 50%. To be seen to be reasonable and kind, I might phase it over4 years - on the other hand I might not.

I'm not canvassing for the creation of a new political party but if 200/300 Independents were listed on ballot papers throughout England (sod Scotland - they're all so firmly glued to the State's tit that nothing short of a thermonuclear device will detach them from it)it might have an effect.

It would certainly make me feel better, if poorer.

"Politicians don't enjoy raising money from their ...

2007-12-03T16:54:00.000Z

"Politicians don't enjoy raising money from their supporters"

Quite so - such money raising exercises usually involve encounters, and there is nothing worse than meet Joe Public. Tuscan Tony has spent a career avoiding doing so, and life has been enriched by their absence.