Comments on Guy Fawkes' blog of parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy: Police as "Judge and Jury" Hallmark of a Police S...

In America, they have a real legal maze for pullin...

2008-03-02T21:37:00.000Z

In America, they have a real legal maze for pulling this off - they take out a civil action against the property. Once the property has been found liable, they seize it. So you have wonderful case names like "People of the United States versus Ten Thousand Dollars in Federal Reserve Notes".

Constitutional protections are worthless without being actively defended.

surely the first policy any government should unde...

2008-03-01T06:03:00.000Z

surely the first policy any government should undertake would be to cut off the money supply that finances criminal drug organizations.
if we don't do that we can never win the 'drug war' because the criminals will always be better financed than the police.
and until it is done drug policy is going to continue to do more damage than good.
we are currently in the worst of all worlds.

Filthy drugs that maim and kill due to prohibition...

2008-02-28T14:21:00.000Z

Filthy drugs that maim and kill due to prohibition are deliberately inflicted on the UK, this government is canniving with the big drug dealers to keep them in business because it's an important pawn in international politics. Remember the Saudi threat about another 7/7? This silly 'strategy' is very likely to be the result of just such a 'deal', this is a billion pound business and the owners are not about to let this government dip their beak in.

When you see something nonsensical in government, there is always corruption behind it.

Drug profits are jihad funds.

Thank Christ that won't apply in Scotland.England ...

2008-02-28T10:18:00.000Z

Thank Christ that won't apply in Scotland.

England is now a police state. Well done, thats what apathy gets you.

It was nice knowing you.

I think Mr G. Fawkes that over the next few days y...

2008-02-28T10:02:00.000Z

I think Mr G. Fawkes that over the next few days your assertion about the waryness of the LibDems wil be proved wrong - they want power and onlywith Labour will they get it - Vote Nick Get More Gordon / Vote nick forGordon.... or Vote Clegg and get covered in Brown stuff...

Keep an eye out son!!!

no need 2 b rude .

2008-02-28T01:48:00.000Z

no need 2 b rude .

8:33 Anonymous Idiot! Would you be so happy to lo...

2008-02-27T22:19:00.000Z

8:33 Anonymous Idiot! Would you be so happy to lose (not loose) that FREEDOM if YOU were FALSELY accused of peddling dangerous drugs, FALSELY arrested and had your assets seized BEFORE you were even charged with any offence? If suspects are not charged and put on trial how do you know they are guilty? You are following the current hysterical presumption of guilt for anyone arrested which has done so much to undermine justice in this country. And Jacqui is doing exactly the same. Why not abandon courts altogether? Just bung them straight into prison. People like you make me sick and are the reason we have already lost so much freedom here. Two thousand years of progress thrown away in ten by morons like you. Tosser.

Wrong Guido. This is just what Nazi Clegg is drool...

2008-02-27T21:09:00.000Z

Wrong Guido. This is just what Nazi Clegg is drooling over. The chance to take centre stage and ejeculate over the lecturn at the thought of power is right up this dangerous person's street.

AH (C)

I'm happy to loose the FREEDOM to peddle dangerous...

2008-02-27T20:33:00.000Z

I'm happy to loose the FREEDOM to peddle dangerous drugs.

To call this latest anti-drugs "initiative" a stra...

2008-02-27T17:29:00.000Z

To call this latest anti-drugs "initiative" a strategy is laughable. There is nothing strategic about it. It is just a bundled package of dubious low-level tactical responses, most of which fall at the first hurdle of practical implementation. Some are regurgitated but all are based on the unchanging and real New Labour strategy of government by headlines. They demonstrate just how out of depth, lightweight and utterly incompetent this government is. To formulate strategy the poor, deluded idiots in cabinet must first understand what strategy is. They are scrabbling around down in the weeds, aided and abetted by the poorest of policy advisors and bandwagon jumping senior police officers who should be leaving politics to the politicians and concentrating on their real responsibilities, when they need to be up in the helicopter taking the broader and longer view.

"The worst government is the most moral. One compo...

2008-02-27T15:09:00.000Z

"The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression." -- H.L. Mencken.

"Jacqui's proposed modus operandi shows that NuLab...

2008-02-27T14:56:00.000Z

"Jacqui's proposed modus operandi shows that NuLab under Gordo the Ineffectual have a dearth of ideas, or that perhaps Gordo wants to develop his Stalinlite tendencies"

Definitely the latter. It is worrying. The country is completely fucked. Food prices are rising because people in "poor" countries are richer than they were and rather than getting their fecundity under control they are buying up all the food. Thing is that us Brits need to buy that food too. So its becoming a battle between the 20million Brits that rely on food imports and the 300million Chinese that live below the bread line. Thing is the Chinese are prepared to work longer and harder for their daily bread, because they know real poverty. Soon we will too. How much will we pay for our daily bread? AS MUCH AS WE CAN AFFORD!

Naturally this hyperinflation of food prices due to competition for scarce food resources from suddenly emerging economies will provoke a serious backlash against the government. There will be riots and the British government will use all means in its (new) powers to impose "order".

I'm starting to shift money out of the country in case it becomes necessary to "do a runner". Unfortunately it is not an easy matter for us to leave as I have elderly relatives we can't take with us. But emigration is reaching record levels and now you know why - people are clicking on to what is happening to the UK and are getting out before it implodes.

It is also the way of our EU partners with corpus ...

2008-02-27T14:35:00.000Z

It is also the way of our EU partners with corpus juris. There is no presumed innocence.

Jacqui's proposed modus operandi shows that NuLab under Gordo the Ineffectual have a dearth of ideas, or that perhaps Gordo wants to develop his Stalinlite tendencies

The Bill of Rights? Don't make me laugh, governmen...

2008-02-27T14:17:00.000Z

The Bill of Rights? Don't make me laugh, governments of all colours have been wiping their arses on that poor document for the last hundred years. Britain has been on the road to a total state since 1914, but the pace of change has sure speeded up since the NuLabor slime took over in 1997.

Peter Hitchens is a deranged cunt on the subject of drugs, I heard him on the radio this morning and thought he must be on coke, no-one is that loud and able to talk inane shit so fast at that time in the morning. He claims to enjoy half a bottle of wine a day. That and a couple of grammes I'd say.

Jackie Smith was to be a useful member of society when she was providing soapy tit wanks down her local massage parlour, but sadly the Polish and Czech girls are younger, firmer and do anal, so tragically her career took a wrong turn and she joined the NuLabor crime family. If there was any justice she would spend the rest of her life locked up with Rose West in Supermax, but then again, what did Rose do to deserve that?

Oh its all so fucking corrupt isn't it? I mean, we...

2008-02-27T14:14:00.000Z

Oh its all so fucking corrupt isn't it? I mean, we have two choices here, we either say "oh it's a free country, go out and buy drugs if you want" or we say "drugs are really bad and we need to protect weak people from them". Now if you take the latter approach then drug dealers are simply murderers. They know some weak people will take them, get addicted and die. Thus dealing in Class A drugs should result in life imprisonment, no ifs, and no buts. And finding a dealer in Class A drugs shouldn't be too difficult, I mean it involves a trade and that means some sort of "promotion" of the dealers activities. Should be easy to spot right? God knows I know who is doing the dealing in my neighbourhood. Bung them all in jail for life and believe me you'd do a lot to reduce the crime rate and leave the police with more time for other things, like shooting Brazilians and stuff.

Still, the government is too busy helping the Afghans grow fucking poppies to sort this stuff out.

This proposal won't survive a moment's legal scrut...

2008-02-27T14:04:00.000Z

This proposal won't survive a moment's legal scrutiny. It's just another gimmick, designed to make the Government look tough. We have government by adolescent gesture, though most of the gestures are of the 2-fingered variety and aimed at us, alas.

Dear Mr Anonymous at 1.26.The War on Drugs, initia...

2008-02-27T14:01:00.000Z

Dear Mr Anonymous at 1.26.

The War on Drugs, initiated by the great social reformer, Mrs Nancy Reagan, is as vital to our dictatorship as is the War on Terror; that neither can be "won" is the point, that's what's so good about them, a state of permanent war against vague, ill-defined enemies who would all bugger our children, rape our nuns and destroy all our values. That's enough, isn't it.

Be glad that Mother Schmidt of Redditch takes time from baking snotbuns for the PM to recognise these enemies on our behalf and deal with them. They are everywhere you know, under the bed, in the workplace, in the colleges. The drugdealers in the playground, they'll be the ones behind the freaky, spasming, one-eyed, snot-gobbling Jock with the Domestos smile, unaccountably having his picture taken, again, with young children. Only not the dead ones in Iraq, ungrateful little bastards.

Guido, declare your interest! :¬)

2008-02-27T13:45:00.000Z

Guido, declare your interest! :¬)

perhaps if we could have a grown up discussion in ...

2008-02-27T13:26:00.000Z

perhaps if we could have a grown up discussion in this country about drugs then society may find some solutions....people have been taking drugs since the year dot..why is the demand so high?some need an escape,some want to relax and yes,some people actually enjoy taking them!!!!!(i am not a user myself)..people are responsible for themselves!!!!!!!but labour cannot accept that because they know everything (in their own opinion)

our govt are the most deluded egotistical fools and seem to think they have a divine right to use us as they wish(someone else had that delusion and lost his head)

this is just a continuation of the construction of a nazi state and must be stopped at all costs...next it will be confiscation for council tax rebels etc.......to have a policeman decide is ludicrous....look at the disgusting behaviour of ian blair.......then maybe they will become executioners as well....shooting anyone they suspect of being a criminal?
oops forgot........they already did that with mr jc menezes

bofl

I keep saying it, but it's time to rig up a guillo...

2008-02-27T13:22:00.000Z

I keep saying it, but it's time to rig up a guillotine in Parliament Square, and lop the bastards' heads off.

Stan (as usual) is bang on the money, and Brenda needs to get off her privileged arse, and put this bunch of cunts out of business.

This is the "Third way" and not the "British way"

2008-02-27T13:21:00.000Z

This is the "Third way" and not the "British way"

what's with all this 'our fundamental freedom' can...

2008-02-27T13:18:00.000Z

what's with all this 'our fundamental freedom' can't be altered chat?

so far new labour has introduced:
-national dna database
-asbos
-property confiscation & destruction(e.g sound equipment/cars)
-per charge detention
-extraordinary rendition
-indefinite detention
-house arrest
-electronic tagging
-removal of rights;movement,association,free thought (eg. asbo conditions,phone&internet communication&meetings,lyrical terrorist)
-stop&search&stop&account(.?)
-profiling in airports
-mass surveillance and mass eavesdropping
-reporting of students to authorities(fuk u students ARE extremists!!)
-proposed ID card & RSS scheme
-on the spot fines
-comedy policemen & far too hardcore policemen
-no protest within 1mile parlimemento
-siezure of dormant funds in bank accounts
-set precedent by allowing nat west 4 to be arrested,charged&convicted by the FBI (no crime in UK.!!)
-APNR cameras on the road network
-Congestion charge 'ring of steel' surrounding london
-ridiculous airport security (get them used to orders..? oh shit why are there two police dressed in black with big fuck off guns telling me to move 10m to the left to smoke??)

best legal examples are:civil contingencies(2005)Terrorism(2001--)criminal justice bill(2002(?))
some more but don't have omnipotence .

a framework has been built and precedents set . we have 'sleepwalked into a surveillance society' but is this society a police state or a state that has responded to local & global challenges?

all relative rely

Guilt or innocence stopped meaning anything after ...

2008-02-27T13:14:00.000Z

Guilt or innocence stopped meaning anything after the Proceeds of Crime Act was passed.....Part 5 procedures only begin if an individual is found "not guilty" in a criminal court...at this stage proceedings are brought in the civil jurisdiction and the individual has to justify their assets....with the bonus for the state that this is with a burden of proof that is "on the balance of probabilities" rather than "beyond all reasonable doubt".... ever since this law was enacted i've always told my clients that matter
"GUILT AND INNOCENCE ARE OUTDATED LEGAL CONCEPTS.....ALL THAT MATTERS NOW IS ASSET LOSS OR ASSET PROTECTION"
was planning to put it on my business card but figured the law society might fail to dig my interpretation of the law.

Oh, God. Now we really are doomed.

2008-02-27T12:42:00.000Z

Oh, God. Now we really are doomed.

The Bill of Rights is quite clear.No confiscation ...

2008-02-27T12:29:00.000Z

The Bill of Rights is quite clear.No confiscation or imprisonment without trial and conviction.Have they gone raving mad?What is wrong with our MPs.They are there to protect our freedom.This feels like Germany in 1933,