Comments on Guy Fawkes' blog of parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy: None of the Above

If we're so into self ownership, why the fuck am I...

2007-05-07T03:24:00.000+01:00

If we're so into self ownership, why the fuck am I faced with surrendering control of my life, liberty and happiness to the control of my employer, on terms he chooses an I must accept, or face starvation, thus depriving me of my life?

Those parts of nature which I may mix with my labour in order to survive have already been appropriated by others, many generations ago.

We have an equal right to self ownership, which generations of unbalanced exchanges has made impossible for the innocent births of today. Self ownership requires socialism.

You knows it.

Frankly bullshit Guido, I don't just own myself, I...

2007-05-06T02:04:00.000+01:00

Frankly bullshit Guido, I don't just own myself, I have the power to make my servants do as I say. And if I am not happy, I have the power to fuck off elsewhere. Trust me, I will if neccesary.

I'm sure that you will too...

The right to a free vote does not give you liberty, but taking a chained vote does not take it away.

There's a lot of angry political activists here! C...

2007-05-03T22:45:00.000+01:00

There's a lot of angry political activists here! Clearly, the presentation touched a sore point. It does clearly outline the basic human rights of life, liberty and property, and where these are being denied, indicates who is responsible. I did see one problem with it. After it was stated that governments are responsible for initiating force against others throughout the world (and thus denying them life, liberty and property), it was stated that the solution was for people to not ask them to do it. In reality, people don't ask them now. Governments do as they (and their Illuminati master) please and use fear to keep public opposition at bay. They use the main-stream media to put across a message such as, "Support us getting extra powers to remove your liberty and property (and the lives of others), or al-Qaeda will come and blow up your house!".

The basic rights were described by John Locke in the 17th century. At that time, the things that gave the elite power over others were wealth and knowledge. The industrial revolution, which started in the 18th century and continues to this day, gave everyone wealth, and gave most people alive today the opportunity of life. The information revolution, which started at the end of the last century, is going to give everyone knowledge. The desire to know is innate, but a combination of intimidation and misinformation by State education and the main-stream media, has led to a population that is unable to think for themselves or question authority. Throughout this century, the population will change. The young will never give up the desire to know, and they will know where to get answers their questions. It won't be the teacher or the BBC, it will be the internet. The elite would sorely like to control this, but they are unable to. The internet is piggy-backed onto the telephone system, which we all depend on to stay alive, including the elite. In the coming years, all they will be able to do is watch on helplessly as their control mechanisms and their power wither away. Are any of you activists wannabe prime ministers? Best not to bother. The executive (and their Illuminati master) won't have the power it has today.

There's only ONE way to get a smaller government.T...

2007-05-03T20:09:00.000+01:00

There's only ONE way to get a smaller government.

That way is to give them less to spend.

"fiddle" your tax, keep what YOU earned, don't let the state enslave and extort you.

If you want a more complex explanation read a book...

2007-05-03T17:31:00.000+01:00

If you want a more complex explanation read a book like Anarchy, State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.

Then read The Examined Life. Then give up ;-)

I vote to ban postal voting.Its Nulabour and its c...

2007-05-03T16:39:00.000+01:00

I vote to ban postal voting.

Its Nulabour and its corrupt.

Incidentally the video is deliberately simple and ...

2007-05-03T16:36:00.000+01:00

Incidentally the video is deliberately simple and abstract. If you want a more complex explanation read a book like Anarchy, State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.

Hmmm... whilst voting might be choosing the best o...

2007-05-03T16:34:00.000+01:00

Hmmm... whilst voting might be choosing the best of a bad lot, there is the quote of George Jean Nathan's: "Bad officials are elected by good citizens who don't vote". Not voting simply adds to the weight of the votes of others (the other votes become a greater fraction of the whole) - including sadly, the BNP.

Pooter,Actually Guido (when he had UK bank account...

2007-05-03T16:32:00.000+01:00

Pooter,

Actually Guido (when he had UK bank accounts) banked with the Co-op. Cobdenites don't do patents or corporate welfare. We do out-compete subsistence farmers and own sweat shops etc.

But you wouldn't stop us doing that and we wouldn't stop you running co-ops.

My humour may be vulgar, but my libertarianism is not.

A gold star for Chris. I class myself as a libert...

2007-05-03T16:25:00.000+01:00

A gold star for Chris. I class myself as a libertarian, and love the way Guide sticks it to politicians, but I suspect him of being one of those libertarians that thinks that total free-market anarchy would be capitalism on speed. If so, he is wrong. True freedom won't be socialist, but it won't be capitalist either (in any meaningful sense). In a total free market there will be no state to enforce corporate patents, put down unions, recognise corporate copyrights, protect the vast swathes of land "owned" by absentee landlords, regulate markets in favour of large corporations, drive subsistence farmers off land into capitalist-owned sweatshops, create limited liability laws, etc, etc.

Capitalism is not the free market.

For more along these lines see:

http://mutualist.blogspot.com (especially the "Vulgar Libertarianism" posts).

Guido: Libertarianism only takes you so far philosophically. Mutualism is the logical next step to total freedom. Join us!

Not voting is certainly not the way to go. If noth...

2007-05-03T16:08:00.000+01:00

Not voting is certainly not the way to go. If nothing pleases, spoil the paper with the various suggestions. I'd rather vote for my cat than a Labour politician and I haven't even got a cat.

The outline of the presentation is sound and one I agree with. Of course people can pick holes over land-owners etc, but a good start is to say in general, this is how it will be from now on.

What I like about it is that very rapidly you will realise that taxation for anthing much beyond a defensive army, police, courts, prisons is pretty difficult to justify as most is taken without consent.

Ok so the flash movie supports private property ri...

2007-05-03T15:22:00.000+01:00

Ok so the flash movie supports private property rights. But says nothing about the current status quo of large land owning families who got given their land from kings who nabbed it off others, or through enclosing common land.

It was so abstract idealogically as to be meaningless.

Not voting doesn't seem to work. viz America where turn out is so low, but I don't see their politicians in piques of self doubt over not having a true mandate.

But then voting doesn't seem to work either :P The party system is daft as there is an inherent conflict of interest between MPs representing their constituents' views and towing the party line to receive ministerial positions.

My approach is to vote for independent candidates where I can.

Patronizing tripe, what I saw of it - I didn't get...

2007-05-03T14:27:00.000+01:00

Patronizing tripe, what I saw of it - I didn't get to the end. It reminded me of Tessa Jowell (with whom you dealt very fairly).

"there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the demo...

2007-05-03T14:07:00.000+01:00

"there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the democratic process, whatever you think of the politicians we have."

Any process that allows 51% of the population to control the lives and wallets of 49% of the population is flawed. A libertarian constitutional monarchy that leaves people alone would be far superior.

I have voted for my cat.Just write "MY CAT" on the...

2007-05-03T14:06:00.000+01:00

I have voted for my cat.Just write "MY CAT" on the ballot paper.it is that easy.
You could vote for "WOOLLY BULLY" He runs in the 615 at Hereford tonight if you haven't got a cat.

VOTE ENGLISH DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!I've just looked at y...

2007-05-03T14:05:00.000+01:00

VOTE ENGLISH DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!

I've just looked at your website. de Tocqueville is currently drilling his way to the earth's core.

You Muppets just dont get it do you? NULAB/LIBDEM/...

2007-05-03T13:56:00.000+01:00

You Muppets just dont get it do you? NULAB/LIBDEM/NUCON are ALL the same now! crooked perverts one and all! Oh how they are pissing themselves laughing right now! If "call me Dave" is elected he will be a clone of Tony Bliar! You have been sold down the river to the EUSSR by them all!
VOTE ENGLISH DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!

Whats this about Blair doing a runner after the el...

2007-05-03T13:44:00.000+01:00

Whats this about Blair doing a runner after the election? Obviously representing the people of Sedgefield isn't good enough for him. I wonder what they think of that?

Still, I suppose he has to pay the mortgage somehow.

"C) Voting UKIP at a general election would risk l...

2007-05-03T13:26:00.000+01:00

"C) Voting UKIP at a general election would risk letting in the pro-EU LibDems"

LOL. If Cameron had got his way, voting Tory for London Mayor would have resulted in a Labour man winning on a LibDem/Tory ticket.

It seems that voting Tory is now exactly the way to get the LibDems in.

Why not just stop voting for 'parties' all together? Look at the candidates, blind to their rosette, see how close they *personally* come to your core values/button issues (and whether they have the backbone to vote for what they believe in even if against the party line) and vote for them.

People politics not party politics.

Now Guido ... I like the anarcho sentiments of tha...

2007-05-03T13:12:00.000+01:00

Now Guido ... I like the anarcho sentiments of that slogan, whatever the rest say. As is usually the case, the morons fail to distinguisgh between 'libertarian' and 'libertine' (mind you, if you hang-out with Stringfellow they may have a point). The purpose of the 'don't vote' concept is to remove the mandate to govern, suspect though such a policy might be in practice (though perhaps not as suspect as the concept of 'propaganda by deed'). I very much doubt if such sentiments were ever expressed in Moscow State or Moscow Central for that matter ... I doubt if any such thoughts had been openly expressed in that city since the funeral of Prince Peter Kropotkin. As for dismissing such political philosophy as 'beta', when the writers of such drivel have turned down the chair in geology at Oxford and the editorship of the National Geographic, since both required them to give up said political stance, perhaps they might just be worth listening to. The Rooskie communist party always maintained that one should 'change it from within'. Mind you, given that the juvenile nutters with the 'A' in the 'O' on their backs don't have the slightest idea what it means ('Anarchy is Order'), and care more about pussy cats than people (that's 'pussy cats' not 'pussies'), one can hardly be surprised that anarchy isn't seen as a serious political philosophy in this country, and given that it's such a wide church that it includes anarcho-capitalism as well as the more left-wing syndicalism, one can't really be surprised that few comprehend it. Me? I just like it because it scares the bloody lot of them.

Surely we don't need local elections. Councils ar...

2007-05-03T13:00:00.000+01:00

Surely we don't need local elections. Councils are only meant carry out Central Government's policy anyway.

Abstaining in person is the most effective. Turn u...

2007-05-03T12:49:00.000+01:00

Abstaining in person is the most effective. Turn up, spoil the ballot paper, drop it in the box. They announce how many spoil papers. When they reach over 50% of the electorate the politicians' legitimacy is - let's say - questionable.

Only candidates where I am voting are from the big...

2007-05-03T12:46:00.000+01:00

Only candidates where I am voting are from the big three parties so i'll be attending but writing none of the above. I did actually have a last minute urge to stand as an independent against the two ancient time servers who will no doubt be returned but I just missed the closing date. It would be useful if when they sent the annual electoral registration note they told us when the elections will be and closing dates instead of arrogantly assuming we don't want stand.

this, guido, you have wrong. people should vote; ...

2007-05-03T12:37:00.000+01:00

this, guido, you have wrong. people should vote; if they think all the candidates are no good they should stand themselves; if they think all the parties are no good they should form their own. there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the democratic process, whatever you think of the politicians we have.

"Of all the things I could be doing in life politi...

2007-05-03T12:17:00.000+01:00

"Of all the things I could be doing in life politics is about the last thing I would choose to bring me any such thing."

What are you talking about? If incoherent imbeciles like you can get into parliament this country really is in a bad way.