Comments on Guy Fawkes' blog of parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy: Class War By-Election

@Chris Paul:"I don't believe for one moment that D...

2008-05-12T16:12:00.000+01:00

@Chris Paul:"I don't believe for one moment that David Davis would not introduce some form of compulsory iD cards fairly sharpish if the Tories were elected."

Given that he has already written an open letter to the government suppliers of ID cards to point out to them that he will be scrapping any ID card scheme and that investment in them would be pointless, I think we are on safe ground in believing the Tories will definitely not be introducing ID cards of any description, anymore than they did when they last considered such a possibility.

If they think that kind of class warfafe tosh will...

2008-05-12T15:59:00.000+01:00

If they think that kind of class warfafe tosh will win them any votes they must be so far out of touch they are on planet Zog.

While on his morning walk, Prime Minister Gordon B...

2008-05-12T13:06:00.000+01:00

While on his morning walk, Prime Minister Gordon Brown falls over, has a
heart attack and dies because the accident and emergency dept at his
nearest hospital is too understaffed to treat him in time.

So his soul arrives in Heaven and he is met by Saint Peter at the Pearly
Gates.

'Welcome to Heaven,' says Saint Peter, 'Before you settle in, it seems
there is a problem. We seldom see a Socialist around these parts, so
we're not sure what to do with you.'

'No problem, just let me in; I'm a good Christian; I'm a believer,' says
the PM.

'I'd like to just let you in, but I have orders from God Himself. He
says
that since the implementation of his new HEAVEN CHOICES policy, you have
to spend one day in Hell and one day in Heaven. Then you must choose
where you'll live for eternity.'

'But I've already made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven,' replies
Brown.

'I'm sorry .. But we have our rules,' Peter interjects. And, with that,
St. Peter escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down ...all
the way to Hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush golf course.
The sun is shining in a cloudless sky. The temperature is a perfect 22C
degrees. In the distance is a beautiful club-house. Standing in front of
it is Harold Wilson and thousands of other Socialist luminaries who had
helped him out over the years --- John Smith, Michael Foot, Jim
Callaghan, etc. The whole of the Labour Party leaders were there ..
Everyone laughing, happy, and casually but expensively dressed.

They run to greet him, to hug him and to reminisce about the good times
they had getting rich at the expense of 'suckers and peasants.'

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.
The Devil himself comes up to Brown with a frosty drink, 'Have a tequila
and relax, Gord!'

'Uh, I can't drink anymore, I took a pledge,' says Brown, dejectedly.

'This is Hell, son. You can drink and eat all you want and not worry and
it just gets better from there!'

Brown takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he thinks
is a really very friendly bloke who tells funny jokes like himself and
pulls hilarious nasty pranks, kind of like the ones the Labour Party
pulled with the European Constitution and the Education, Immigration,
Tough on Crime promises.

They are having such a great time that, before he realises it, it's time
to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Brown steps on the
elevator and heads upward.

When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and Saint Peter is
waiting for him. 'Now it's time to visit Heaven,' the old man says,
opening the gate.

So for 24 hours Brown is made to hang out with a bunch of honest,
good-natured people who enjoy each other's company, talk about things
other than money and treat each other decently. Not a nasty prank or
short-@#$%& joke among them. No fancy country clubs here and, while the
food tastes great, it's not caviar or lobster. And these people are all
poor. He doesn't see anybody he knows and he isn't even treated like
someone special!

'Whoa,' he says uncomfortably to himself. 'Harold Wilson never prepared
me for this!'

The day done, Saint Peter returns and says, 'Well, you've spent a day in
Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live for
Eternity.'

With the 'Deal or No Deal' theme playing softly in the background, Brown
reflects for a minute ... Then answers: 'Well, I would never have
thought
I'd say this -- I mean, Heaven has been delightful and all --
but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends.'

So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down,
all the way to Hell.

The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren
scorched earth covered with garbage and toxic industrial wasteland,
looking a bit like the eroded, rabbit and fox affected Australian
outback, but worse and more desolate.

He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in rags and chained
together, picking up the roadside rubbish and putting it into black
plastic bags. They are groaning and moaning in pain, faces and hands
black with grime.

The Devil comes over to Brown and puts an arm around his shoulder.' I
don't understand,' stammers a shocked Brown, 'Yesterday I was here and
there was a golf course and a club-house and we ate lobster and caviar
and drank tequila. We lazed around and had a great time.. Now there's
just
a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable!'

The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly and purrs, 'Yesterday we were
campaigning; today you voted for us!'

Don't forget how the Milibands retrospectively arr...

2008-05-12T10:22:00.000+01:00

Don't forget how the Milibands retrospectively arranged their inheritance tax affairs.

http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2004/09/estate-in-capitalist-society.html

"after Ralph Miliband, the Marxist father of David and Ed, died in 1994, he transferred almost all his assets, including homes in London and Oxfordshire, to his wife.

However, after taking professional advice, the family is understood to have posthumously rewritten his will to give 20% of the London home to both David and Ed.

David has declared a “20% share of family home in London” on the MPs’ register of interests since 2002.

This scheme is called a “deed of variation” and was highlighted by the chancellor in opposition as an unacceptable way in which the wealthy avoid paying death duties."

Stealing slogans? Gordo should start with this one...

2008-05-12T09:05:00.000+01:00

Stealing slogans? Gordo should start with this one:

"New Tory, New Danger"

That worked well for whoever used it last time...

@ Chris Paul,"but on the other hand I don't believ...

2008-05-12T07:39:00.000+01:00

@ Chris Paul,

"but on the other hand I don't believe for one moment that David Davis would not introduce some form of compulsory iD cards fairly sharpish if the Tories were elected."

That would be the same David Davis who so comprehensively sabotaged Michael Howard's personal support for the government's ID scheme in the run-up to the 2005 election (at considerable risk to his own career given the Tory faithful's fuehrerprinzip) would it?

Ok so Labour are Finished but we still have to get...

2008-05-12T03:11:00.000+01:00

Ok so Labour are Finished but
we still have to get rid of Cameron, he is Pro EU too.
http://www.thewestminsternews.co.uk

http://www.eutruth.org.uk

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8146

anon 7.25glasgow is not 100% numpty, there are som...

2008-05-11T21:06:00.000+01:00

anon 7.25

glasgow is not 100% numpty, there are some english up here :)

as regard to 'class', having attended various educational estabishments, ranging from public, private, grammer, state, partially funded, i can say with some certainty; class is not a product of wealth or social privilege, but rather, a mindset that seems to be, in 21st century britain, a product of egalitarians vs. libertarians.

for example, kate moss would be regarded as 'posh' (or upperclass, aristocracy etc.) whereas bob geldoff would be regarded as being 'good'(or spiritual, a man of the people etc.). financially, there is little difference between the two types, but what differs is their use of social privilege that is afforded to them by their position. the 'toffs' are seen as using privilege for their own personal gain whereas 'labour' (don't know the synonym for toff..) are seen as utilizing it to help mankind, to save the planet. boris is seen as a bumbling egotist in power due to his eton connections, whereas ken is seen as a champion of downtrodden peoples from lewisham to venezuela. you can make this comparison for most lab/con frontbenchers. this is why conway is a byword for scandalous corruption and fraud, and livingston is a great working class hero, regardless of jasper.

the imagery is outdated, but the idea remains that upper middle class intellectuals can and should use their privilege to help (**biased remark** and control) society in order to benefit the least well off. the irony is that in order to do so they demand to be adequately compensated. libertarians (ie. people who believe people can, for the most part, look after themselves) are seen as bad and egalitarians are good. read the independent for the doublethought mentality of egalitarians (as this is a comment not a dissertation).

Fucking ZaNuLab cunts. Trying to reopen old divisi...

2008-05-11T19:46:00.000+01:00

Fucking ZaNuLab cunts. Trying to reopen old divisions in society for the sake of a few cheap votes.

All these NuLab twats have salted away millions at taxpayers expense as well and are 'directors' of this and that company that feed off government contracts.

Presumably McTwat sanctioned this as a campaigning tactic. NuLab are really sick. A bunch of sick, sociopaths and criminals. This is so fucking sick it is even more disgusting than watching him eat snot.

At least when we boot the bastards out all the tossers will find their consultancies and directorship opportunities vanish in seconds. McTwat should be held in a padded cell. This is not funny anymore.

When will political wonks realise that the general...

2008-05-11T19:32:00.000+01:00

When will political wonks realise that the general public,whatever their "class",don't share their fascination with the ya-boo schoolboy stuff.Those leaflets are rarely read,I live in a block of flats with a communal mailbox and at election time that kind of stuff gets dropped on the floor by the first person to open the box then bunged into the re-cycling bin after a day or so.That's a day in which anyone in 8 flats has had time to pick one up if they choose to do so,they never do and along with all the takeaway menus,flyers for DVD shops and free local press the whole lot gets binned without a second look.That kind of stuff to the man in the street is like PMQ's,ordinary people might catch a brief glimpse but if they do they mutter "twats" under their breath then got on with the important things in life.People aren't stupid,they know a stunt when they see one,an attempt to grab a cheap headline e.t.c. If 8% of Londoners voting for the BNP wasn't a big enough wake up call to the mainstream politicians that Joe Public is pissed of with them and their stupid,puerile antics while Rome burns then there's no hope for any of them.

I'm sorry, near-bankrupt in the past or not, she w...

2008-05-11T19:24:00.000+01:00

I'm sorry, near-bankrupt in the past or not, she was the daughter of a peer and the wife of a doctor - I bet she didn't live in a two bedroom terrace on a scutty council estate.

NuLabor really are slime aren't they? I wonder if ...

2008-05-11T18:18:00.000+01:00

NuLabor really are slime aren't they? I wonder if the Conservative candidate owns as many houses as Michael Meacher?

Chris Paul, give it up, they're not worth the effo...

2008-05-11T15:37:00.000+01:00

Chris Paul, give it up, they're not worth the effort.

This style of campaigning is just like something some bitter Grauniad type would write.

The class war obsession on the left is not only astonishing but so hypocritical of them, big surprise, eh?

Calm down, dears, it's only an election.I thought ...

2008-05-11T12:57:00.000+01:00

Calm down, dears, it's only an election.

I thought everyone lived in a mansion these days, but apparently not in Crewe.

Next you'll be telling me they choose to live there.

Show the people that you consider them braindead a...

2008-05-11T12:49:00.000+01:00

Show the people that you consider them braindead and they will pay you back.

This is quite pathetic, by a pathetic Labour Party with a daughter who is absolutely nowhere near her mother in political guts.

I am afraid with both the Lib Dems and Labour indulging in such inane childish politics the country needs to kick both of those parties out of both local and national life.

Time for an English Nationalist Party please headed by either Will Self or Richard Littlejohn. At least their humour would be funny!!!

How does "a pension package, paid for by you, wort...

2008-05-11T12:27:00.000+01:00

How does "a pension package, paid for by you, worth over £2 million." square with Gordon's £1.5m lifetime allowance for pensions for everyone else? Has he protected or exempted it somehow?

9:17 PMBlimey, I had all my own teeth when I began...

2008-05-11T12:24:00.000+01:00

9:17 PM

Blimey, I had all my own teeth when I began reading that list of describing words. And what's wrong with a bored fumble whatever that is when it's at home? 'Spose you don't settle for less than being gang-banged by a score of meaty centurions, do you old girl?

Especially as the 'British jobs for british worker...

2008-05-11T12:13:00.000+01:00

Especially as the 'British jobs for british workers' was a pile of shite and illegal under EU law. Not that Brown knows how this country is governed. I guess he just knows it's not him.

How utterly desperate and pathetic.Labour are comp...

2008-05-11T11:43:00.000+01:00

How utterly desperate and pathetic.

Labour are completely hypocritical about inherited privlege and getting on through one's family connections. We've got:

* The daughter of the former MP chosen as the candidate for Crewe & Nantwich by-election.
* The grandaughter of Tony Benn being chosen as a Parliamentary Candidate even though she's still in her teens (how many other teenagers would be selected to fight a seat)?
* The son of aforementioned Tony Benn, Hillary, in the Cabinet.
* The grandson of a famous Labour minister, Herbert Morrison, as the UK Commisioner in Brussels (Peter Mandelson)
* Two brothers in the cabinet, Ed and David Miliband, both sons of a noted Marxist political theorist.
* Wendy Alexander, the sister of one of Gordon Brown's closest advisors (Douglas Alexander), as the First Minister of Scotland.
* A husband and wife, Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper, in the Cabinet.

What an incestuous, nepotistic bunch - and they have the gall to criticise others for inheriting privilege.

Dennis,as eloquent as you are handsome !A google E...

2008-05-11T11:35:00.000+01:00

Dennis,
as eloquent as you are handsome !
A google Earth shot of the Benn family estate, which takes up a large slice of space just outside of Maldon, would expose this as the usual nulab / socialist hypocracy .

tacitus said...and Dennis said...just about all th...

2008-05-11T09:46:00.000+01:00

tacitus said...and Dennis said...

just about all there is to say.

BTW 'arser' is the word verification! Hang on though...

Do you want injured British soldiers who fought wi...

2008-05-11T08:58:00.000+01:00

Do you want injured British soldiers who fought with antiquated equipment to die of MRSA in NHS hospitals?

Have your Labour mates embezzled money from the taxpayer and lied and cheated about it?

Do you think the working poor should be singled out for a tax hike just as fuel and food inflation sky-rockets?

Do you think its honest for the PM to claim the credit for a global boom, but blame the downturn on the US?

Do you think its good that Britains national debt is the worst in the developed world.

If you do, vote Labour in the Crewe & Nantwich by-election you cunt.

Tamsin Dunwoody was useless as an Assembly member....

2008-05-11T07:50:00.000+01:00

Tamsin Dunwoody was useless as an Assembly member. She would not have been short listed for the seat if she wasn't Gwyneth Dunwoody's daughter. She spent most of the time in the Assembly as voting fodder without an original thought in her head. What is surprising is that no one has picked up the fact that for much of the time she was more interested in a fellow Assembly member than any policy initiative. As for the leaflet you begin to wonder where the Labour party gets its advisers from. In Wales recently they ran a PPB solely attacking the Lib Dems as 'Lousy Libs'.It was appalling and insulted the intelligence of the average voter. It completely backfired with the Lib Dems strengthening their hold on Cardiff where Labour has been reduced to a rump and they even won seats in Merthyr. At the moment the whole Labour party seems populated by characters from a Marx Brothers film.

@Chris Paul.Ms Dunwoody was asked on the BBC's Nor...

2008-05-11T04:49:00.000+01:00

@Chris Paul.

Ms Dunwoody was asked on the BBC's Northwest Tonight news program (Monday 5th May) about her views on 42 Days Detention. She replied that she wasn't happy about it but would consider her position... "after I'm elected". Yeah right, we all know what that means!

As for the leaflet (assuming its real) I'm shocked. I hope the people of Crewe make a point of asking Ms Dunwoody personally about the level she's prepared to sink to in order to seize the seat.

I rather hope the media is picking this up too (has anyone emailed the editors?)... if they can't keep the politicians honest then no one can.

Labour have lost the plot - let's hope they lose t...

2008-05-11T03:41:00.000+01:00

Labour have lost the plot - let's hope they lose this by-election