Comments on Guy Fawkes' blog of parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy: Tory "Deep Polling" Shows Seismic Public Attitude ...

"the public think politicians are either incompete...

2008-02-29T18:13:00.000Z

"the public think politicians are either incompetent wankers or crooks"

What a perfect summation...

ps. Iain Dale is in denial as he too would like to get his snout deeply in the public trough.

"The best radical overhaul of all would be that th...

2008-02-29T14:26:00.000Z

"The best radical overhaul of all would be that there be an English parliament"

Hey, that's liek playing the EU at their own game! Create an English parliament and shift all the powers to it! Fantastic! Then the EU can make the BRITISH Parliament subservient to the EU - BUT the BRITISH Parliament won't actually have any subjects!

In fact why wait! Given that the British Parliament doesn't actually have its own army or police force it is actually powerless to impose its authority on the English public. So if the ENGLISH set up an ENGLISH Parliament and then declared themselves subject to it, there would be a damn thing the BRITISH Parliament could do about it! They would simply cease to have any relevance.

Imagine just sliding the rug out from under the tossers feet. What a beatiful image it presents.

The best radical overhaul of all would be that the...

2008-02-29T14:17:00.000Z

The best radical overhaul of all would be that there be an English pariament and government taking away roughly 80% of the work of the British government and pariament . They hate us anyway so why should the English put up with them .

The British parliament should be slimmed down in size by say 60% and be unicameral .

The English should be governed by their own ie those who consider themselves to be firstly English not British .

its where loyalty lies that counts and the loyalties of the British poliical class mainly lies anywhere but with the English .

Osama - but I do hold Italy up as just that - a sh...

2008-02-29T10:42:00.000Z

Osama - but I do hold Italy up as just that - a shining example of how good things can be. It has a disfunctional and largely ineffectual political class, who occupy themselves with their own internal battles, thereby pretty much leaving the rest of the population to get on with it. Remember what Sir Humphrey said to Bernard when Bernard remarked it was rather good that Hacker was getting in his stride and on top of things as minister - "exactly why is that a good thing, pray tell me?" (or words to that effect)

Are you proposing that an effective and intrusive busybody politician is a nice thing to have about the place? I do hope not!

Democracy is dead. The reason people hate politici...

2008-02-29T09:33:00.000Z

Democracy is dead. The reason people hate politicians is that since they have all become willing participants in the creation of the New World Order they don't care what you think. Their bosses aren't the people anymore; their bosses are the shadow elite. Unless you people start joining threads you will never undestand the scale of the conspiracy.

If he was sat on the toilet with nothing else to r...

2008-02-28T22:07:00.000Z

If he was sat on the toilet with nothing else to read but a bus ticket stanislav would still not read the economist. Not even in fucking Polish.

you conservative bloggers are practically drooling...

2008-02-28T21:14:00.000Z

you conservative bloggers are practically drooling with excitement aren't you?
don't get too carried away. new labour have totally fucked it up. fiscally, economically, infra structure wise, law and order, everything has been fucked up by new labour.
it will take two terms to repair most of the damage caused by new labour.
let's look at dave. dave's got cash, so he doesn't really get the working class thing. good speaker. decent enough fellow, fairly intelligent.
if he acts in the interests of the majority by, for example arguing for a moral taxation policy and if he commits himself to undertake the serious endeavour of ridding british politics of corruption (a very long overdue task) then he could prove to be a very useful PM.

Hey Tuscan Antonio you cannot be SERIOUS!!! Holdin...

2008-02-28T20:08:00.000Z

Hey Tuscan Antonio you cannot be SERIOUS!!! Holding up Italy, wonderful place though it is, as a country with a political model to follow!!! Maybe Dave's been taking tips from another blogger in Italy no doubt you know what Beppe Grillo is up to. I'd rather send those City leeches to Birmingham, keep the MPs in the palace closer to the Tower.

As for you real "morose delectation" you sound like an admirer of adolf that boot sanpping, kiddie fiddling, hand waving cunt who tried to impose his own version of democracy onto Europe. I know the trains ran on time but that's a high price to pay.

Were the anarchist StanislaV not a Ruski, Czech or SloVak impostor pretending to be a hard working Polish plumber who reads their own version of the Economist he would know from tonight's news that the Polish consul in Kuala Lumpur has been arrested for selling visas to Indian's, Pakistanis, Malaysians, Bangladeshis and various other asians into the "Schengen" zone. We know where they will end up, not in the Schengen zone for sure. He'd also know about the latest "flies" affair to hit the mayor of a northern Polish town but he's been locked up for 30 days even before being charged.

Of course Dave being an ex PR man knows that you have to get the masses to believe that you are fighting their corner so it remains to be seen whether this is just another version of bliarspin or brownspin.

StanislavYou are right in all you say. Very likely...

2008-02-28T19:32:00.000Z

Stanislav

You are right in all you say.

Very likely the gun power method is possibly the only way to make a point. But it would not really make any difference in the end. Just like oversexed rabbits, these things breed.

You can blow up a few hundred of them if you can, but they will only come back even more mean and nasty.

I think its best to be nice to David Cameron. Give the man a chance and then give him all the merry hell on earth if or when he fucks up.

You can bet your house, the BBC will. So you never know, a reasonably normal service may resume.

Libertarians like myself and GF do not vote Tory because we like Tories or the Conservative Party.

In fact in my own case I dont really trust anyone, but my mother.

But try to keep some kind of hope alive. Save up some of the bile for a future Conservative government, I am.

Because if we do not ever get one again, we will never find out if this place can be saved from the flames or not.

We will never get our counter revolution when the left are in power. This because the left is created by and bought and sold to, our corporate overlords. Thus controlling all sides of debate to their advantage.

The only party of the people always has been the Conservative Party.

The Conservative Party may be just as bought and sold to our corporate overlords as well. But it has to listen to the people and its members or it gets thrown out of power, by both of them.

For a libertarian it may be like being tied to the back of a devil monster from the abyss. But it is still far better IMO then any type of full on Neo-Maxist socialist or straight forward fascist Labour alternative.

At least I still hope so. I should not speak for Guido. But I do believe he thinks the same way. I stand to be corrected.

ATLAS shrugged.

WHATFirst Cambo was a whole sale moderniser, then ...

2008-02-28T19:24:00.000Z

WHAT

First Cambo was a whole sale moderniser, then morphed into a environmentalist, quickly followed by traditional moderniser, followed by hard core Tory with tendencies towards the modern.

Honestly I couldnt tell you which Cameron is – but it does seem that the chameleon label is very apt.

Transparency Transparency Transparency errrrrrr.

Only last week the full disclosure was made of monies paid to political parties in the previous financial quarter.

Funny but the Tories list still contained huge sums of cash from the CCS ( Coleshill Campaigning Service ), now known as The Constituency Campaigning Services Board, donated in excess of 40K to the Tories each Qtr last year. And since 2004 have coughed up over £1m

This shadowy organisation donate cash to the Tories via proxy. Each Quarterly donation of 40K is from smaller individual donations. These are lumped in as one. And we do not know who those individuals are

Check it out yourself

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/regulatory-issues/regdonregulateddonee.cfm?ec=%7Bts%20%272008%2D02%2D28%2019%3A18%3A34%27%7D

Select all then search for Coleshill to see donations

Oh and sorry but FOI is null and void in this case because the CCS is a private company...handy

There are things to realise when discussing why pe...

2008-02-28T18:13:00.000Z

There are things to realise when discussing why people vote for for anyone,
1 Is the candidate "one of us"
2 What can I and my like thinkers get out of voting for the candidate
3 Is the candidate of the right party, never mind what they are like personally, bent or otherwise
4 Who are my mates voting for?
5 The dedicated party member who votes for the the political party NuLab, Cons, Lib Labs etc, etc
any more suggestions?

lola at 4.22pm..I would add Vince Cable to your li...

2008-02-28T18:07:00.000Z

lola at 4.22pm..I would add Vince Cable to your list too,but can't think of any other MPs worthy of respect either.

Interesting how the Sir Ian Bendover-Blair has sud...

2008-02-28T16:28:00.000Z

Interesting how the Sir Ian Bendover-Blair has suddenly popped up out of the snot-gobbler's pocket to demand a shot at Derek Conman.
Just goes to show what that useless cunt can do when he's told. I have no quarrel with throwing Conman to the wolves, kick him while he's down I say, but are there no others you might wish to question you poisonous little apparatchik?

Oh, sorry, of course Stanislav is right - blow all the fuckers up, Cameron is a godawful useless tit on a bull too.

I don't we despise ALL politicians. here's alist ...

2008-02-28T16:22:00.000Z

I don't we despise ALL politicians. here's alist of those I have some time for:-

Frank Field
Kate Hoey
Boris Johnson (entertainment value)
William Hague (ditto)
the Dorries woman

...Erm. A bit stumped now. Help!

Don't our politicians realize how the electorate d...

2008-02-28T15:48:00.000Z

Don't our politicians realize how the electorate despise our contemptible collection of little noses-in-the-trough MPs? If they do so, they should surely all be scared at what they are doing to our democracy - well, any who care about it, that is.

Or perhaps they just want to get whatever they can at our expense before they are tossed out into the real world.

But what about something practical. Given that the Speaker represents all MPs, why are there no signs of an independent Anti-Corruption Candidate standing against him in the next election? I reckon they would sweep the floor with the Gorbals Goon.

Anon 11.20Take heart. Revolutions are invariably ...

2008-02-28T15:44:00.000Z

Anon 11.20

Take heart. Revolutions are invariably started by the middle classes, helped by the 'respectable working classes (not a description with which I feel at all comfortable - we're all just blokes in my veiw). The poor and indolent and rich and indolent don't give a fuck.

Now that the conned coping classes, conned by Bliar/Mcfuckingbean, have realised they've been conned there is a slim chance that change might happen.

In a sense of course we have just had a ten year step back in the last thirty years advance. Callaghan realised change was needed and saw that unless the unions etc got it they were doomed and so they were by Thatcher. Thatcher killed of Socialism (bye bye Cl4.4). Con's then loose the plot and Liar Bliar does an ace selling job and gets the Socialist Lite party into power. Now unable to nationalise (ho ho - NR!) can only rely on the other socialist policy of tax and spend. Only this time they cannot tax incomes blatently, so they tax and spend capital - which of course is even more catastrophic. And as ever is the case with labour governments they have run now out of (our) money. The electorate is beginning to rumble this and if properly rumbled Nuliebour will go down to an even bigger loss than the Tories did in '97. Socialism will for ever be discredited.

I admit that this is a goldilocks scenario, but it is plausible.

The main difficilty is that there will then be no opposing philsophy to what I term as the Anglo Saxon libertarian democratic free market society with compassion. And we need to know what the alternative is to be able to value what we have. It may be that the next skittle to fall will be provided by Islam. Islamic philosophy does not sit well with ASLDFR+C and may provide the competition needed to keep our minds on the job.

When that's gone it'll have to be the Martians.

Of course the other big obstacle is the EU and the rise of the bureaucrat.

I am with Ian Blair on this - taken from The Times...

2008-02-28T15:28:00.000Z

I am with Ian Blair on this - taken from The Times:

The country's top police officer today entered into a row with the House of Commons anti-sleaze chief by demanding to know why Derek Conway, the disgraced Conservative MP, was not referred to police for abusing his parliamentary expenses.
Sir Ian said: "There is a protocol agreed with the previous parliamentary standards commissioner. It doesn't appear, on the face of it, it was fully followed in this case."

I have joined the UKIP fold after 10 wasted years ...

2008-02-28T15:27:00.000Z

I have joined the UKIP fold after 10 wasted years in the Conservatives.

Keeping UKIP out by vote splitting will only prolong this failed Conservative opposition!

I am backing Nigel as this country needs a change

"It is 2008, not 1988, and things have changed. I'...

2008-02-28T14:26:00.000Z

"It is 2008, not 1988, and things have changed. I'm sure the floating voters and those in marginals (the only ones who make a difference), don't give a toss about Europe, Referendums and other right-wing issues."

That's exactly the point. The whole country is held to ransom by a bunch of spineless dimwits called "loating voters" that just don't want anything controversial to happen as it might spoil their watching of "location,location,location". These are exactly the kind of people that should NEVER be allowed to vote, let alone determine the outcome of an election. What the hell is the likely outcome of always electing a government determined by these people? Disaster that's what. That's why we have crime at 10x what it was 50 years ago, with 3x as many murders, a crap health service that would disgrace the USSR, a main airport that would shame India, twice as many people living here as we can actually support, 2.7million people claiming they are so severely ill that they couldn't possibly do any kind of work, ever, an economy that is coming apart at the seams. Need I say more?

Well something "controversial" is about to happen - unemployment at 25%, inflation at 20%, and fucking riots on the streets. A health service in a state of collapse, food prices skyrocketing. This time no amount of "socialism" of either the Labour or Tory-lite variety will fix the mess they have made.

Dave "moonface" Cameron, Gordon Brown, Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton, George Bush. What a bunch of fucking useless "give the people what they want" spineless twats they are. They are exactly the kind of people that have sold our future to the Chinese for the sake of cheap patio heaters. What the hell are they going to do about Great Depression II while Georgie "lame duck" Bush swans around Africa?

Stick the whole lot of them in a big bonfire, throw the "floating voters" that keep them in power on as well and top the whole thing off with Polly Toynbee and Alan Rusbridger.

Julian wroteJust shows what you can do when you ha...

2008-02-28T14:16:00.000Z

Julian wrote

Just shows what you can do when you have a govt who actually CARES about its constituents!

Yep, like Wendy Alexander.

That comment is beyond me Julian. bendy wendys party ar NOT in govt!

Are u still in denial-or are u simply a thicko?

Anon of 11.30am, I think you 100% right about the ...

2008-02-28T13:52:00.000Z

Anon of 11.30am, I think you 100% right about the rotten BBC. We have state media.

This is why David (please stop calling him Dave, it's very childish) Cameron has to play the PR game. Remember - the important thing is to get the Tories elected.

It is 2008, not 1988, and things have changed. I'm sure the floating voters and those in marginals (the only ones who make a difference), don't give a toss about Europe, Referendums and other right-wing issues.

Part of the trouble is the gradual change away fro...

2008-02-28T13:47:00.000Z

Part of the trouble is the gradual change away from an understanding of "proper" behaviour and the need to comply with the unwritten spirit underlying any rules. Now it is more a question of "what can I get away with" coupled with a willingness to constantly attempt to find new and inventive "intepretations" of how the rules can be applied.

This is nothing new. In the City the ability to operate flexibly on the "my word is my bond" principles and an understanding of the "spirit" underlying regulations has been steadily replaced by the legalistic approach which constantly seeks to find and exploit loopholes and weaknesses in the wordings of regulations in order to get around them. The end result can be seen in the Northern Rock fiasco and its' obscure realtionship with artificial "off balance sheet" transactions such as the "Granite" financing arrangements. Some people think this is clever but the ultimate victims, shareholders, borrowers, employees, and taxpayers will now with the benefit of hindsight no doubt feel otherwise.

In the case of MP's and their expenses claims this "culture" of deceit may well be a form of "steath salaries" condoned by the Government as a way of keeping MP's "sweet". However people should not lose sight of the fact that the money MP's may have filched comes from the pockets of taxpayers and taxpayers are entitled to demand that expenditure of their money should be rigerously audited and justified.

There should be no amnesties, conversion of expenses into salary increases, (no doubt with corresponding additional pension contributions etc.) Instead past claims should be independantly examined and if they are considered to have fallen outside the "spirit" of the rules then immediate repayment should be demanded. Furthermore where payment claims are based upon the use of false information or other irregularities then the possibility of criminal proceedings should be considered.

Our Legislators must to understand that they need to be respected/regarded as people who maintain the highest possible standards of behaviour. Until that happens the general public/taxpayers will not have anything but contempt for these people who have prostituted their principles in favour of merely looking all the time to see what they can make out of their positions!

" A la lanterne" you scumbags!

anon 12.46[can't type for gleeful laughter]Thank y...

2008-02-28T13:36:00.000Z

anon 12.46

[can't type for gleeful laughter]

Thank you, you've cheered me up for the rest of the day.

That was almost too easy, you silly, silly little man.

Just shows what you can do when you have a govt wh...

2008-02-28T13:28:00.000Z

Just shows what you can do when you have a govt who actually CARES about its constituents!

Yep, like Wendy Alexander.

The best thing would be if, when bicycling for th...

2008-02-28T13:12:00.000Z

The best thing would be if, when bicycling for the planet, instead of having his valet travelling behind him in a limo, Dave - call me Tony, if you like - Cameron made him, the servant, also ride a bike, a cheaper one, carrying his master's change of clothes in panniers; there could be a further bicycle behind that, carrying some champagne and oysters and diet coke and Pringles for the servants. A convoy of cycling servants, that would resonate with Everyman. Cure him of his dreadful apathy. How can a chap rule when people have seen right through him? Don't know why we allow them to vote for us really.

To avoid those telling, embarrassing tv moments which reveal him as just as cheesy and photo opportunistic as Playground Brown, only even more maladroit, he could wear whichever are the current charity wristbands all up his arm and then when the moment was right he could take off his jacket, roll up his sleeves - revealing wristbands from War on Want, Save the Children, Bono for Pope, Nutscape Mental Nurses4U and Tory Cyclists for a Better Planet - smile at the cameras and start doing the washing-up of some poor, non-Oxbridge person living in a freezing slum surrounded by homicidal yoof and indifferent cops.

A bit like that Jesus fella, washing the feet of the Underclass, only plates and cups. I betcha Jesus was a tory, really.

Fuck me, even by comparison with the lunatic presbyterian homosexual, Brown, this vapid, featureless, shape-shifting, airhead clown and his gang of good for fuck all braying oiks don't look remotely worthwhile. An achievement of which he might be ironically proud; to look as bad as the worst we have ever had.

Yes, the tuscan is right, move the fuckers to Brum. A prohibition on party politics as a lucrative career for otherwise deadbeat degenerates like, well all of them; limited, finite terms in office; restoration of civil service independence and the abolition of spads. Abolition of the lobby system of reporting. Scrap the license fee. How's that for a start, Dave, call me Tony ? Beats the gunpowder levitation experience which you all so richly merit.

Public service should be an honour not a fucking license to print money. What a dreadful despicable, contemptible shower, Cameron included.

ps, as for anonymous jock above, 12.49., it is good to see the miracle-working SNP out of bed so early, not still cuddled up with their nieces and nephews.