Comments on Guy Fawkes' blog of parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy: Frankenstein Bill Free Vote

There are some very strange and worrying concepts ...

2008-03-29T10:31:00.000Z

There are some very strange and worrying concepts in this proposed legislation.
A free vote over certain clauses is not enough, Brown should allow a free vote on the third reading too!

dave 12:45'Meanwhile I'm slightly confused by Guid...

2008-03-27T08:36:00.000Z

dave 12:45

'Meanwhile I'm slightly confused by Guido's stance on all this. I thought he'd be up for a genetic free for all.'

Of course your slighly confused, you said you were gay on the Chris Bryant posting.

funny caption for photo:You're nicked!

2008-03-27T02:07:00.000Z

funny caption for photo:

You're nicked!

You should compare the cancer survival rates from ...

2008-03-27T00:45:00.000Z

You should compare the cancer survival rates from 50 years ago... then tell us science has achieved nothing.
Meanwhile I'm slightly confused by Guido's stance on all this. I thought he'd be up for a genetic free for all.

Anon 1.57You shouldn't tar all scientists with the...

2008-03-26T20:00:00.000Z

Anon 1.57

You shouldn't tar all scientists with the same brush. I know they've been promising us a cure for cancer for 50-odd years and nothing's ever happened. I happen to think they've given up on cancer because it's too hard so are looking for a few quick fixes instead. Bit like a Government I know. But that said, the scientists have had other notable successes - the nuclear bomb, for example, which they perfectly relatively quickly.

Read the link posted by bogeyman, it's worth it.As...

2008-03-26T14:02:00.000Z

Read the link posted by bogeyman, it's worth it.

As for this bill, the religious nature of some of the opposition is a convenient smoke screen. I'm not religious but I'd vote against all three items specified. Gov'ts can't be trusted to do things like this and keep to the rules (there will be rules I hope).

It's just more planned destruction of the traditional family with effectively more power to the state.

Of course, all we're doing is the EU's bidding anyway.

Typical, more shite from "scientists" in the pocke...

2008-03-26T13:57:00.000Z

Typical, more shite from "scientists" in the pockets of the pharma industry.

The same shower - i.e. Lord Winston, Robin Lovell-Badge, Stephen Minger, the usual assortment of inbred "trust me, I'm a scientist" c*nts - promised the same cures and insights back in 1990 when the original Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill was drafted. How many cures have arisen? Sweet f**k all.

The same "scientists" made the same promises in 2000 when human cloning was legalised (cheers Blair), and how many cures since then? F**k all.

Now the same fraudsters are making the same promises, and Brown bends over to the pharmaceutical community yet again.

Shropshirehillbilly (7.39pm yesterday)is so right,...

2008-03-26T11:26:00.000Z

Shropshirehillbilly (7.39pm yesterday)is so right, and puts it so well. Brown is totally inept. His whole approach has secured ridicule and controversy when both were easily avoided. He is a liability to the party because he is politically inadequate and totally lacks the charisma to get away with it.
In fact after "bogeygate" he lacks credability as well. I cannot watch him in Parliament without seeing the Iron Fist hitting the despatch box with a dull squish as bogies splay out left and right. He is then unable to draw it back up as the sticky devils hold fast. And he gets crosser and crosser like a naughty child in an Enid Blyton book. I wait for his mother to enter and drag him away by the ear. Prime Minister my arse!

From what I heard in yesterday's interview of the ...

2008-03-26T10:51:00.000Z

From what I heard in yesterday's interview of the head of this regulatory authority on the Daily Politics - most of this legislation is to 'confirm' present practice. This implies that this authority has been exceeding its legal mandate, and is presently trying to cover itself.

The more I read of these medical practices the less I like them. I would vote against the whole Bill.

Religions have codes of 'ethics'to guide man's actions. It seems to me that it is about time some of these scientists were told in no uncertain terms that just because it is science it is not an excuse for 'anything goes'. Those with long memories can remember 'scientific' experiments carried out in extermination camps.

The Opus Dei Clique in cabinet has forced his hand...

2008-03-26T10:17:00.001Z

The Opus Dei Clique in cabinet has forced his hand...when are the public to be told about the shadowy affiliations of many of those who aspire to rule us?

"After all, Blair himself had the principled posit...

2008-03-26T10:17:00.000Z

"After all, Blair himself had the principled position(!) of personally being against abortion while recognising he had no right to foist his religious-inspired views on women"

The point of having a vote is to give your own opinion, not to try and second guess the opinions of some group of people that you aren't in any way related to. Or are you saying that Blair should not have stood up for women that happen to be against abortion? Or that his actual views were not important and we should have had a referendum? Are you saying anything sensible at all or does "sociologist" really equate to "twat" after all?

Issues of huge importance and principle at stake, ...

2008-03-26T10:06:00.000Z

Issues of huge importance and principle at stake, but all Gordon and acolytes can come up with is a non-free "free" vote which ensures he will get what he wants anyway, but perhaps with a little less fuss.

The Govt is run by children and cynics. They are scum.

"Does make you think why aren't more votes free vo...

2008-03-26T10:00:00.000Z

"Does make you think why aren't more votes free votes."

Because big-pharma has already paid for those votes. If the Catholic church was the kind of entity that would bung Gordon a few quid they could find all manner of votes going their way.

Postman Patel has done some excellent research int...

2008-03-26T08:44:00.000Z

Postman Patel has done some excellent research into the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority, the supposedly "Independent" regulator.

The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority - a stacked deck

No doubt producing fatherless children will allow the IVF companies to make even more money

Absolutely right. If a party doesn't think someth...

2008-03-26T08:18:00.000Z

Absolutely right. If a party doesn't think something is important enough to be in the manifesto, why should they be able to control their MPs on it?

Bogeyman:'Sorry to veer o/t but I've just read a b...

2008-03-26T07:58:00.000Z

Bogeyman:

'Sorry to veer o/t but I've just read a brilliant essay by 'Numberwatch' author John Brignell. It captures the whole rotten mess in one shot. Long but worth every second, I promise you.'

It was worth every second, great essay as you said.
The bastards!

Does anyone remember a tv series about a Bio scien...

2008-03-26T07:28:00.000Z

Does anyone remember a tv series about a Bio scientist who experimented with a gorilla egg crossed with his own sperm, re implanted in the gorilla, when it was born it was named Gordon, but it could only say Gor, I think the series was broadcast about 18 years ago, funny never been repeated to my knowledge I wonder why?

There'll only be a free vote on the contentious cl...

2008-03-26T07:05:00.000Z

There'll only be a free vote on the contentious clauses at the report stage and thereafter at final reading the "Supreme Leader" will expect all Labour MPs and certainly Cabinet Ministers to vote for the bill irrespective of whether the clauses remain on the face of the Bill or not.

So in summary you can have a conscience only when it suits and this is merely a device to get those Cabinet Ministers who are dithering(they must have caught it from their boss) to vote for the Bill with a "clear" conscience.

So in essence this "free" vote is a sham and a scam to gull the gullible

I have to disagree with your suggestion that negot...

2008-03-26T06:45:00.000Z

I have to disagree with your suggestion that negotiated laws are better laws.

The European Parliament has a much looser whipping system and almost all of its laws are the result of negotiation between the two largest Groups.

What normally happens with a major piece of draft legislation (at least when the EPP Group is leading on it) is that the EPP comes up with a position that they think will be acceptable to the Socialist Group. The Socialist Group then decides that it doesn't go far enough and demands a much more interventionist / protectionist approach. The EPP then comes up with a position that is equi-distant between their proposals and the Socialist position.

If the Socialists are leading the roles are reversed but the end result is the same - a messy fudge that noone actually believes in but is half-way between what both sides want. All in the name of pragmatic negotiation.

Why should people bother voting if they know that it will make very little difference to the legislation that ends up being passed because it will still need to be agreed by the two main parties?

ill look forward to that one bill quango.it all lo...

2008-03-26T00:44:00.000Z

ill look forward to that one bill quango.

it all looks a bit sad in nu labour land.

home owner who recieved harpic and gordo for chat , has had to call in an excorcist , felt immediately depressed as soon as she shook his hand. "it felt like i had been jonahed"(what happend to BBc clip of kids escaping through window a few doors up before gordon arrived), sure enough shortly afterward it began raining, the leccy failed and tibbles died .

gordon and harpic then went onto the local community centre to meet the locals who could be seen holding lavendar posies to there noses due to a strange strong smell of bull shit permiating the building.

janitor reported "there must have been a really big shit somewhere, but its not as bad since that ministerial car left although it does linger a bit"

gordon used the meeting to platform his free vote on embryology bill , one journo died laughing .

I heard him explain it. It is a free vote. Sort of...

2008-03-26T00:15:00.000Z

I heard him explain it. It is a free vote. Sort of.

They can vote against it, well on, they can't. They can vote against bits of it, but only if those bits don't damage the chances of the bill becoming law. Or something.

Watch Gorgon take the dismembered bill, kick it upstairs to the Lords, do some arm twisting, have it re-animated and then sent back to the Commons as a take-it-or-leave it package.

Cause4 a rebellion, chaps? Right when Gorgon might have to go to the polls and you would risk losing your seat? Not a chance.

PMQs Tomorrow. I have been asked to give a ‘friend...

2008-03-25T23:59:00.000Z

PMQs Tomorrow. I have been asked to give a ‘friendly planted warmup question’ for the PM. My name is then removed from the 2nd homes list, so it's a no brainer.

“Prime Minister, would you agree with me that under this government there has been an increase in daily sunshine ?”

Answer “ I concur with the honourable member that average daily sunlight levels have risen by an average of 14% since 1997 while average levels of night time have reduced significantly in line with meterologicl and government forecasts.{ hold for shouts of hear hear and shame }
Under the last Tory administration levels of solar lighting actually fell 2.2%”
{ cheers and cries of So What? }

Listen out for me, I’m second batter.

Well, Brown has been stupid enough to concede a fr...

2008-03-25T23:24:00.000Z

Well, Brown has been stupid enough to concede a free vote on the issue. Mr Bean wins out over Stalin yet again. Surely a more viable compromise would have been inviting his Catholic-supporting MPs to abstain from the vote. After all, Blair himself had the principled position(!) of personally being against abortion while recognising he had no right to foist his religious-inspired views on women, so it's hardly unreasonable to expect the same from recalcitrant Labour MPs.

I think Cameron will rip Brown apart at PMQs tomor...

2008-03-25T23:23:00.000Z

I think Cameron will rip Brown apart at PMQs tomorrow, we have classic example of dither, delay and then spin the decision as the opposite of what you intend.

It isnt going to be pretty.

O/T I know, but the deviousness of this corrupt go...

2008-03-25T23:05:00.000Z

O/T I know, but the deviousness of this corrupt government seemingly knows no bounds. While all the fuss about the free vote has been going on, the Government has been using DWP and quango channelled public money to bail out more of their mates in the North East on the sly. As one of the commentators on the links below stated:

'How can an individual end up worth £123 million by organising apprenticeships on behalf of the government?'

http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentReader.aspx?Item=5_837468681

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/7309448.stm

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/support_services/article3599188.ece

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/support_services/article3593419.ece

http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2008/03/25/45034/administrators-negotiate-fate-of-carter-carter.html