Comments on Guy Fawkes' blog of parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy: Snouts in the Trough : Peter Hain Again

Anonymong 11.37: Actually it was the reference to ...

2006-07-31T14:01:00.000+01:00

Anonymong 11.37:

Actually it was the reference to the "institutions of this country" that made me think you were a civil servant. Only a civil servant could believe in such a pat little consolation for a life of grey tedium.

At any rate, I take it you're not part of the "civil service elite" as you put it? Go on, surprise me.

Anonymong 11.52 (I thought there was a policy on these people).

If you believe posting on this blog is such a waste of time why are you, erm, posting on this blog?

Sir Mong - You can choose to put your money in pri...

2006-07-31T13:30:00.000+01:00

Sir Mong - You can choose to put your money in private companies. In that case its your own fault for making a bad choice, and you can take your money back out.

No choice if El Gordo is taking more and more money off you to feed the NuLab jollies they so love. Its the law, unless you have someone who knows how to fiddle things like Lord Cashpoint.

At 10:07 PM, Gordon Comstock said... "Anonymong 1....

2006-07-31T11:52:00.000+01:00

At 10:07 PM, Gordon Comstock said...

"Anonymong 1.54pm:

I'm quite keen on democracy actually"
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really?

with the same effort that you have put into blogging, you could have composed and sent an email to your MP or even better to the relevant select committee about Mr Hain.

Moan, Moan, Moan.
it's time for action, boys & girls.
(of this blog)

you have the technology and more importantly the power.

Gordon Comstock said... Anonymong 1.54pm: Are you ...

2006-07-31T11:37:00.000+01:00

Gordon Comstock said...
Anonymong 1.54pm:

Are you a civil servant? It's just your logic seems to be somewhat flawed.

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rather amusing implication with regards to the civil service given that, as stated in the July issue of Prospect magazine (http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7539) ....The civil service elite is the last refuge of the British intellectual.

That gary powell sounds like a Victorian Mill Owne...

2006-07-31T10:04:00.000+01:00

That gary powell sounds like a Victorian Mill Owner. His comments show a real lack of respect. You cannot treat everyone the same.

I speak as a former Army Commander with experience of war situations, in charge of thousands, not one hundred! and am appalled that this man Powell considers his views on life as useful.,

Mr Powell is a genetic throwback to the worst of Dicken's characters!

One point I don't think anyone has raised so far: ...

2006-07-30T23:53:00.000+01:00

One point I don't think anyone has raised so far: it looks suspiciously like a team racing suit that he's wearing, and it does seem to fit Hain quite well, as presumably do the boots. Obvious question: helmet as well? Gloves?
So was he given these as a PRESENT then? For keeps?
What is their total cash value? Has he declared them in the parliamentary register? Paid the VAT difference between R of I and UK? Handed them over to his permanent secretary? Can we ask which motor manufacturer (or cigarette company?) sponsored the gifts? And given Hain's remit concerning trade and manufacturing in NI, did he declare an interest? What meetings did he have with the sponsors?
This could yet turn into another Prezzagate.

Anonymong 1.54pm: Are you a civil servant? It's ju...

2006-07-30T22:07:00.000+01:00

Anonymong 1.54pm:

Are you a civil servant? It's just your logic seems to be somewhat flawed.

By institutions, do you mean things like "motor-racing" or things like "democracy"? I'm quite keen on democracy actually, in fact it's precisely because Hain is one of our democratically elected representatives (important word that) that he shouldn't have his orangey little hands in the till. People call it a "belief in democracy" because it requires you to have faith in the people who act on your behalf. You have to trust them. You can't trust someone who seems to think flagrant theiving is alright.

PS: I suggest you assume a monicker, it helps to avoid the kind of hilarious confusion that you've so cleverly noted in your PS.

Golly gosh you are all so cynical..! Peter Hain is...

2006-07-30T16:32:00.000+01:00

Golly gosh you are all so cynical..! Peter Hain is wearing red boots can you not see that..? Why is he wearing red boots..? Because he has just finished his yearly stint doing the Santa Claus 'run' delivering presents to all the little children all over the world..! In the picture he is resting after taking off his red robes and fake beard... And YOU dare to sneer at this great man for this..? Tsk..! For shame..! I wonder if we the taxpaying public get to pay for the petrol he uses in his rallying too and for car servicing and whatever other little extras might be involved..?

Mr Comstock (11.58pm).Question is straigtforward. ...

2006-07-30T13:54:00.000+01:00

Mr Comstock (11.58pm).

Question is straigtforward. Either you support the institutions of this country or you do not.

Improve the institutions, if you want. The individual (politician)is so so trivial in comparison. RAISE YOUR GAME.

ps - I do not know who Anonymous 11.08am is!

I have no experience of government whatsoever.I do...

2006-07-30T12:42:00.000+01:00

I have no experience of government whatsoever.
I do have experience of being a father of 4 children being a boy-scout PL and directly employing over 100 young and not so young workers. This experience has shown me that if you let one take the piss even the best of them will take the piss in the end. IF the person responsible, in this case the Prime Minister, does not root out and or discipline the BAD APPLE, bad apples is all he will have. With no respect or authority to lead in the right direction. Tony blair may have learnt a few possitive practical things from the great lady, but he has clearly not learnt from John Magors mistakes.

Put it like this - we have a vast collection of dr...

2006-07-30T11:08:00.000+01:00

Put it like this - we have a vast collection of drones "running the country" (that's what they like to think).

If we stop 100,000 bad spending decisions/thefts at 10,000 a pop.... And they make many more decisions than that a year, many of them for far more money....

The countries where theft/mismanagement has brought down the conomy are an interesting example. It generally isn't El Presidente for life sending all the cash to Switzerland that is the death blow. It's all the leaches each taking what seems like a small piece of the pie.

Anonymong 3.25: You make the point beautifully. So...

2006-07-29T23:58:00.000+01:00

Anonymong 3.25: You make the point beautifully. Some waste is unavoidable, so long as we have politicians, irritating but inevitable perhaps. But if you were looking for a definition of avoidable waste you couldn't do much better than a middle-aged man flying over to Ireland in a private jet, dressing up in a jump suit and red bootees, burning a lot of high-performance rubber and then handing us the bill.

"garypowell said... anoymousYes it is trivial but....

2006-07-29T15:38:00.000+01:00

"garypowell said...
anoymous
Yes it is trivial but. What should concern us is how much does a minister spend/bribe on allowing others to take the piss out of the tax payer, so that they dont blow the whistle on the minister. How much are the BBC for instance asking for? You dont hear to much complaining about civil-service pay and pensions either. "

Mr Powell, your reply is bit less hysterical and bit more intelligent.

So here is my response...I agree that the BBC is on too comfortable a wicket. The point about the civil service is rather intriguing. given that the skeltons are always hidden predominantly at the top of the cupboard I don't believe that the government is in love with the whole of the civil service. as you may be aware they are desperately trying to change its culture.

given that government (any government) wastes bill...

2006-07-29T15:25:00.000+01:00

given that government (any government) wastes billions......should our energies be focussed on the billions or the £10,754?

colin d. - "have you forgotten the typewriter ribb...

2006-07-29T13:03:00.000+01:00

colin d. - "have you forgotten the typewriter ribbon incident"

Hain typewriter ribbon incident. Nope, rings no bells. Can you jog our memories?

The clearest indication yet that he's in training ...

2006-07-29T09:43:00.000+01:00

The clearest indication yet that he's in training for the DPM job.

anon 9:53It wouldn't be trivial to you if Hain and...

2006-07-29T07:00:00.000+01:00

anon 9:53
It wouldn't be trivial to you if Hain and his boys personally turned up to demand 10 grand from you so he can go jollying.
Neither is he likely to give you said 10 grand so you can do your thing.
He should be doing this out of his own money, or if you're a libdem, some foreigner's dosh.

Nice red bootees, maybe a house will fall on him.

Alternately it could pay a nurse for six months. H...

2006-07-29T03:05:00.000+01:00

Alternately it could pay a nurse for six months. Hardly that trivial. Rather like saying there were 50 million murders in WWII, so why persue Eichmann for killing 90000 Hungarians? Bollox of course, as I am sure you realise.

"government expenditure for '06-'07 is £552 billio...

2006-07-29T00:55:00.000+01:00

"government expenditure for '06-'07 is £552 billion. £10,754...the figure mentioned in the blog as misuse of government money...is so so trivial."

Mr Prescott,

All these trivial expenditures add up. Besides, it's the principle that counts.

anoymousYes it is trivial but. What should concern...

2006-07-29T00:32:00.000+01:00

anoymous
Yes it is trivial but. What should concern us is how much does a minister spend/bribe on allowing others to take the piss out of the tax payer, so that they dont blow the whistle on the minister. How much are the BBC for instance asking for? You dont hear to much complaining about civil-service pay and pensions either.

Yeah, you're right, aren't you Anonymous moron 9.5...

2006-07-28T22:57:00.000+01:00

Yeah, you're right, aren't you Anonymous moron 9.53. It's fine to rob 10 grand if it's only a small percentage of total spending. That's why I'm comfortable with my habit of stealing Mars Bars from my local corner shop.

But, you know, I can't work out how much it's decent to steal before it becomes immoral (or in your parlance non-trivial). I'm quite keen to move up to jumbo packs of blue mountain coffee, and maybe a pork pie and a can of Stella for lunch. You sound like a savvy kinda guy who can fill in the grey area for me. Exactly how much of the budget is it ok for me to steal before you start feeling uneasy?

government expenditure for '06-'07 is £552 billion...

2006-07-28T21:53:00.000+01:00

government expenditure for '06-'07 is £552 billion. £10,754...the figure mentioned in the blog as misuse of government money...is so so trivial.

Mr Mcgoo, have you forgotten the typewriter ribbon...

2006-07-28T21:49:00.000+01:00

Mr Mcgoo, have you forgotten the typewriter ribbon incident that was all a vast mis understanding. The man only wants loads of OUR money, power and a make over. You just wait until he is prime Minister or President Hain. You'll see how tuff he is. Just Like Jeff the archer!!

Sir Mong, you fail (as does Hain) to distinguish b...

2006-07-28T19:34:00.000+01:00

Sir Mong, you fail (as does Hain) to distinguish between personal use and professional use. No-one objects to company directors using jets for company business. Different matter if they're ripping the shareholders off for their own personal benefit. Check out Greg Hutchings, who was forced to resign as CEO of Tomkins (a FTSE 100 company he virtually created) because of his use of company jets etc for his personal use.

So to give an unsought answer to your no doubt rhetorical question - yes, he should have taken Ryanair, or maybe paid for 1st class BA. But he crossed the line and had to go.

So should Hain. Not just for his shameless lushing, more for being an orange twat.

Deadpan. Nice.

2006-07-28T18:55:00.000+01:00

Deadpan. Nice.