When Was the Last Time You Heard a
Cameroon Mention "Freedom"?
Gove wants to take away our Nuts, IDS and Ed Vaizey think dads shouldn't be allowed to take their 14 year-old sons to see the latest Batman movie. It is particularly galling that Gove and Vaizey have previously projected themselves as on the libertarian side of the libertarian / authoritarian divide. Libertarian paternalism, government "nudging", is increasingly beginning to seem like a modernised version of old fashioned authoritarian conservativism. Vaizey explicitly encourages local councils to exercise their statutory powers to prevent teenage boys seeing Batman. That is not a nudge, that is a kick in the teeth for parental responsibility, it is not the business of the state to determine for parents what is their cultural norm.David Davis is no longer in the shadow cabinet, apart from him it is a long time since Guido has heard a senior Conservative figure mention the word "freedom". Quality of life issues are the order of the day - well Guido has news - freedom is the most cherished quality of life for many of us. Libertarians care about family values, families are the fundamental unit of society, the welfare state has done more damage to families than anything else. Guido doesn't need lecturing from dysfunctional politicians on family values. Julie Burchill is on to something in her new book, she reckons the posh have embraced Green values as cover to talk down to working class people. Most Greens are she (and her co-author, Chas Newkey-Burden) says, pious, sexless, contemptuous of humankind, posh and rich, having found in environmentalism a new excuse for lecturing the poor. Telling other people to live by rules they don't apply to themselves.
Vaizey isn't advocating a nudge, he is advocating a state prohibition. If the Conservatives don't respect the family and no longer defend freedom they will encourage the more socially liberal to vote LibDem - particularly if the Liberal Democrats really become a low tax party.
The last speech Guido can find where a Cameroon mentions freedom was in November 2007. It was a good one:
Vaizey isn't advocating a nudge, he is advocating a state prohibition. If the Conservatives don't respect the family and no longer defend freedom they will encourage the more socially liberal to vote LibDem - particularly if the Liberal Democrats really become a low tax party.
The last speech Guido can find where a Cameroon mentions freedom was in November 2007. It was a good one:
The battle for freedom and opportunity is never finally won. In each generation, those of us who believe in freedom, in human potential, in the idea that the strength of our society comes from the energy and industry and creativity of our people; those of us who believe in these things must be ready to fight for them because the enemies of freedom are never finally vanquished. They always live to fight another day. Today we can see the enemies of freedom preparing a renewed assault on our liberty. They do not mean to harm us. In fact, they mean to help us. But their ideas are out of date, their methods have failed and their advance must be derailed. I am speaking of the politicians and public officials who believe that they know best how to organise our lives... The desire for harmonisation and homogenisation – on tax, on regulation, on so many aspects of public and private life. It is the last gasp of an outdated ideology, a philosophy that has no place in our new world of freedom...
Consider this reminder a little nudge Dave...
UPDATE : ConservativeHome has a round-up of disquiet on the right about "nudging" - essentially some are worried that it harks back to "the man in Whitehall knows best". It is not nudging if the state starts prohibiting or prescribing. Daddy Dizzy decides not Big Brother Vaizey. Libertarians are fathers too...
UPDATE : ConservativeHome has a round-up of disquiet on the right about "nudging" - essentially some are worried that it harks back to "the man in Whitehall knows best". It is not nudging if the state starts prohibiting or prescribing. Daddy Dizzy decides not Big Brother Vaizey. Libertarians are fathers too...
161 comments:
Grouniad McTwitter, the Clanking Ham-Fisted Control Freak, wants more ‘n more control ‘n freakery.
O for a genuine someone to counter that. Ignoring the weird guy who seems to stand for nothing, can DD help?
Well said, Guido.
Gordon's Jinx strikes again.
Frankie Gavin is out of the GB Olympic boxing team because he can not make the required weight.
Frankie met Gordon back in May, when Gordon wished Frankie every success.
Olympic hopefuls meet Gordon Brown. Khalid Yafai must be shaking in his boxing boots as he was also cursed at the same time.
excellent article gf.
there's always been an authoritarian fringe in the tories, but foolish me thought they had been marginalised.
it seems that the influence of conhome and the tory taliban is greater than we thought. remember conhome support id cards and all sorts of other illiberal rubbish,
if the tories go down i'll be off.
If the posish of sub-ed is still vacant, I'd like to apply, and here is my thesis:
Para 1 Line 1 - no apostrophe in "dad's"
Para 2 line 10 - double word score - "and and"; comma after "and" please
para 2 line 11 - "say" - s/b says.
Nice one Guido
timhedges.blogspot
So the stupid twats want our votes, steal our money and still think they have the right to tell us how to live our lifes. They should bloody well stick to cuttin state interference and lowering taxes. Stay the fuck away from telling me how to live my life and stop stealing my money.
Good points. Let's also understand that when 'support' in mentioned by any politico it amounts to 'control'.
The world isn't made a worse place by kiddies watching Batman.
Its made worse by kiddies being shown time and again that they can get away with anything, in the real world. It is made worse by prisoners being given a cushy time in prison, their every right and expectation respected.
The conservatives need to focus on reality, and not fantasy.
I just want low tax a small state and an end to stupid laws none of this lefty ecomentalist horse shit it says so much about their petty minds and mental problems that they should be sectioned
It's people like Caroline Spelman who pay their servant's wages out of public funds who should be banned by the state.
La Burchill- dont'cha love 'er! Isn't she the one who went on and on in the Guardian about how she loved living in Hove then sold her house to the first developer to say "Your bum doesn't look big in that"? Ever part of the Nu Labwhore project, despite her smokescreen of controversialist 'journalism', I will take no lectures from her EITHER. And the fact that she's a fully paid up member of the lezza brigade has nothing to do with it.
Guido, am I correct in thinking that you actually believe a single word spoken by a politician. Speeches are written by professional speech writers by input from SPADS drawn from popular opinions from pollsters. A career politician is allowed no opinion of their own all they need is a desire for power an obsession for self-importance and greed as well as a sycophantic nature so only the slimiest can ever ascend the greasy pole all the way to the top. Bliar in a pop band was an abject failure but given access to the corridors of power his sycophantic and lying nature coupled with naked ambition, IMHO gave this country the biggest disappointment ever from one single person.
Well said Guido.
Cameron has many 'common purpose' trained people around him. CP does not like FREEDOM. Freedom means self expression and ability to form ones own views. Obviously Cameron said what he said in 2007 to get where he is!!Nuff said?
Like Eugenics before it Green Issues are becoming a mallet to hit the lower orders with! BUT it is their way ofshouting down all those that may raise any serious objection to their, generally, flawed message.
I watched some woman from the Green party being interviewed on Channel Four news. what an awful woman non stop verbal tirade against anyone who dared to oppose her views.
But call me dave loves the green issues doesn't he. He needs to wake up
GOD HELP US.
At last the penny is beginning to drop!
The Tories have gone off on a flight of cerebral, intellectually masturbatory fantasies.
At this rate, it will have to be the Lib-Dems - for the first time in my life.
Cameron is mirroring early Nu-Lab 'good-feel' stuff. The electorate has had it with that.
The Tory lead - all the 'Nuts" stuff - will evaporate their lead like snow on a summer's day.
The state funded the breakdown of families, enabled single parenting and work-shy, sink-estate lifestyles. Not all of it, but most of it.
Blears is setting the framework in place for the UK state to fund its arch enemies as it has enabled the criminal amoral under class to run rings around the rest of us.
The narrowness - lack of understanding - of the political classes renders them unfit to govern.
Most Greens are are she (and her co-author, Chas Newkey-Burden) say, pious, sexless and contemptuous of humankind, posh and rich, and have found in environmentalism a new excuse for lecturing the poor.
not all of them though. There's also the ex-Marxists who embraced greendom as another way of trying to force everyone to do what they say, and be miserable and poor; look at the reaction to 4x4s. It's got sod-all to do with emissions and everything to do with envy.
Nor is David Davis a libertarian. Witness his views on drugs and his voting record on gays.
Guido, my sentiments exactly. Greenery is the Spanish Inquistion, it's the Stasi, it's the Thought Police, it's the Flat Earthers (which was once 'conventional wisdom'), but the most appropraite parallel is the medieval selling of pardons. It's an opportunity for the 'elite' to accrete power and gain a franchise. Freedom does not sit well with any of this.
Time and time again history demonstrates that small is good, especially and particulraly small government. And this is why I object to be labelled a Tory. I have been suspicious that their recent success would go to their heads, and it looks like it has.
Tuscan,
Assume the position, though your instructions were a little sketchy, forinstance, "and and" was actually "are are"..
If only Guido had all day to compose 800 words like Simon Hoggart, rather than knocking this out between changing the first nappy and having breakfast.
Thx
Cameroon was the man who led a standing ovation for B’Liar at his final PMQ’s; he was created as his clone to capture that segment of the market in votes. It is hardly surprising that under his leadership the Conservatives have betrayed us all by abandoning the fundamental principle of freedom and embraced the policies of nuLieBore.
AH, the poor deluded state believing it has the right to tell us all what to do.
The Batman issue, odd though it is, sums it all up. It being rated 12A means it's up to parents and guardians whether they take under 12s to see it.
They should. It's a bloody good film. And if it pisses off a few illiberal politicians, so be it.
Shouldn't we be the ones telling them what to do? Isn't that the whole point of voting of them in?
Now sure, I see what they're doing. Pandering to grassroots. I get it. It's all a big game. That's fine. But no need to play politics with freedoms. If I want to take my seven year old daughter to see Batman, damn it, I will. And some man who's never stepped out of the dreaded Westminster Bubble really isn't going to change that. We're being treated as pets.
Such is the result of the welfare state. If the politicians pay for you (Out of my taxes, bless 'em) then they own you. Listen to your betters....
The tories should be welcoming the Libertarian agenda like a dying man welcomes water in a desert.
Labour cannot reject authoritarianism: without such an environment socialism does not work.
It is a issue which would instantly define the difference between NuLabour and Conservative. Only a fool would turn his back on such a chance.
Just how stupid are you Dave?
Oh good the Tory backlash is beginning, though not before time. And it's begining here!
What we need is the right to vote specifically for a hung parliament. And let me make that clear - hung as in dangling on the end of a cheap bit of rope, not hung as in having a bigger or cheesier pudendum with which to continue to bugger us all.
O/T but did anyone see the headlines early Wed morning on Sky News - something about the new UK passports can be cloned within a minute? I didn't wait for the actual item & it now seems to have disappeared into thin air.
Another technological success for the Dear Leader?
If Cameron gets a landslide, then he will definetly become Blair Mk II (drunk on power, drunk on the causes of power).
Iran war, anyone?
If politicians want to be totalitarian knobs, why don't we get shot of them and get the real thing (one dictator must surely cost less than 635 rubber sheep)?
The EU ain't the answer as it's an expensive way of replacing 635 party listers with thousands of ex-party listers - a brilliant form of dictatorship where they have the power to screw us around whilst denying responsibility for the consequences.
Anon 9:35 “Nor is David Davis a libertarian. Witness his views on drugs and his voting record on gays” so he don’t like druggies and queers, well more power to his elbow then. The rise and acceptance of these repulsive practices is what is bringing our civilisation to its knees.
According to the Mail there is 'new evidence' that watching violent films makes people violent.
Which does lead one to wonder if there was any violence before the invention of cinema. In much the same way as one wonders whether there were feckless men who viewed women as objects before Nuts and Zoo, whether rape ever happened before violent pornography became available, and whether these deluded tossers actually know that they're talking piss. Because I do.
Can't you just hear Vaizey's daddy chatting.Nuf said!
Guido for President!
Anon 9:35 “Nor is David Davis a libertarian. Witness his views on drugs and his voting record on gays” so he don’t like druggies and queers, well more power to his elbow then.
No-one's saying he has to like them. But if he wants to be seen as a libertarian - and maybe he doesn't - then he has to vote in favour of their freedoms. And either he has the courage of his convictions, or he doesn't. I don't care if he doesn't, but that precludes him from using 'freedom from state interference' as his rallying call.
The rise and acceptance of these repulsive practices is what is bringing our civilisation to its knees.
oh, go and read a history book. Humans have been getting intoxicated and buggering each other for centuries. If it were going to 'bring civilisation to it's knees' do you not think would have done so by now? Do you imagine that homosexuality is a 20th century invention? You do, at least, know - I hope - that anyone could legally purchase opiates and cocaine in chemists until the 1920s? Or are you talking balls? Yes, I think you are.
sitondafence @ 9:47 "..so he don’t like druggies and queers, well more power to his elbow then. The rise and acceptance of these repulsive practices is what is bringing our civilisation to its knees.
Can't agree with that. What has brought this country to its knees, an apt analogy as it its the most anatomically correct position for our collective act of fellatio, is the ruthless and heinous greed, corruption and plain old dishonesty that forms the chief characteristic of the power elite. Yes, the ones that lecture, harrangue and moralise are, short, thieving cunts. Well that doesn't help the rest of us. A handful of queens mincing around Brighton in the rain wearing nothing but fluorescent cock rings may bring up one's breakfast but doesn't dictate the condition of society.
sitondafence... Not much of a civilisation then was it? If a few pot smokers and the Brighton massive can destroy it. Do grow up, and keep your nose out of other peoples business/bedrooms. You grade A twat!
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Well said Guido, well fuckin said. I was thinking it was the 60's again, what with comic books characters and slightly naughty magazines being blamed for cocking everything.
You are missing the point Guido. Those that have seen the film think that the 12a rating is inappropriate. Many parents will trust the rating and believe it is fit for children of all ages to see. By the time that parents realise that their five year old should not be watching this film it will be too late. The bbfc may just be wrong this time, it is entirely possible.
I heard him say it last week when we were talking about taxing his stock options
Be careful Dave, you're in danger of allowing your minions to upset the very people whose support is paramount to you....me, for instance.
"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
Well said uido.
Now, I can't approve of pushing people onto a railway line - but I do feel that that woman who told the lads to stop smoking at a railway station - in the open air FFS! - is a bit of a bossy cow and has all the hallmarks of an MP.
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From the Office of Rt Hon David Cameron MP.
Dear Mr Fawkes
Thank you for your recent communication.
Dave asked me to reply on his behalf.
Dave is on holiday at the momemnt enjoying the delightful English/Cornish weather and supporting our hard-working tourism industry whilst taking time out to address his work-life-family balance and sample the Cream Teas for which this area is rightly proud.
In view of Dave's clearly stated position, and indeed the position of the whole Shadow Cabinet, I am sure that you will agree we are on the side of hard-working families like yours.
You raise the notion of 'freedom' - a moral construct that has only the following mention in my 'Lines to Take' briefing:
I know you will share our delight that the Prime Minister is finding his freedom to wriggle being reduced with each passing day and is repeatedly exposed as a ditherer as he fails to tackle the Milliped infestations in our hospitals.
Thank you agian for writing and Dave is grateful for your support.
Sebastian Fitztightly,
Correspondence Section
They are building a new prison for us - walls of pure database. It will last as long as there is silicon to make the chips. Have you checked the size of the Sahara recently?
Spot on Guido. I'm sick to death of being told what I can and can't do, particularly by the eco-bullies, most of whom don't live in the real world. They would have us back in the stone age given half a chance. Happy to do my bit but the political class now seems to be under the delusion that they are in charge, instead of the other way around.
Tim H right to mention Cameroon's ridiculous display at Little Bliar's last PMQs. I reckon that said more about the state of our politics today than anything else - they are all in it together. Her Majesty's Opposition indeed! He and his gang applauded probably the most mendacious PM in living memory - and that's saying something. I will never forgive him for that.
Environmentalism is a glossy flag for Marxists and Champagne Socialists to wrap themselves up in.
"Libertarian-Paternalism" is a glossy flag for social conservatives/authoritarians to wrap themselves up in.
"Geo-Libertarianism"? I am beginning to wonder if it is not a glossy flag for Communists to wrap themselves up in.
NL, Tories and FibDums are all part of the problem. The only answer is the Libertarian Party.
This is a bit of a swing, from groundless attacks on Cable to hinting that you might switch to the Libs!
The Tories have a nasty habit of centralisation and control-freakery too, even under relative liberalisers like Thatcher (see her schools policies, for example). I can't see this dying out soon.
I think the concept of a nudge as libertarian paternalism is a little self-contradictory. After all, nudges in the hands of Cameron et al often seem to involve financial penalties. I was always under the impression that a nudge was, for example, making organ donor schemes opt-out rather than opt-in, so that no extra cost is incurred by dissenters.
Of course, the fundamental problem with the system as it stands is that once you're in power you have no incentive to decentralise or liberalise, so it will never happen. Still, as Churchill said, it's the worst system ever, except all the other ones out there.
Having tried to lay the blame of nationalisation on VC - the only logical decision after the govt decided to prop it up (which the Tory’s supported!), Guido now figures out that the Conservatives are full of conservatives and not Classical Liberals. Wow.
You might have thought that you only get to make these great insights due to your wealth which lets you support this site, rather than because you earned your podium through a reputation of being a great journalist.
I’d prefer it if you got back to what you are best at, regurgitating other peoples tip bits and gossip.
"Most Greens are she (and her co-author, Chas Newkey-Burden) says, pious, sexless, contemptuous of humankind, posh and rich, having found in environmentalism a new excuse for lecturing the poor. Telling other people to live by rules they don't apply to themselves."
Perhaps you should have linked to some examples? Like Polly or George. You know, just to ram the point home...
DK
I suppose the only mitigating factor in all of this is that we're deep into silly season territory.
Fingers crossed.
Call me Green Dave's windmill just shows hat a stupid twat he is. From today's Telegraph:
Putting up a small wind turbine on the roof of a suburban home may be a waste of time, according to a new report.It may not generate enough renewable energy even to make up for the carbon emissions produced when it was made.
Dave Cameron's a one term stop gap - this is just a career move for the gimp. He's never known what he wanted to do and his timing was luckier than a fox under Labour. He can now go back to Mummy and say, "look Mummy, look what I've done" - to which his mother would say, "yes David, you are a clever boy, now fix me a G&T there's a good boy".
Anonymong,
Why do you come here if you don't like it?
"Have a full refund and fuck off."
Guido - you want to be serious? OK.
Vaizey said the film had the wrong classification. You said "Wot about parental responsibility?"
Do you advocate doing away with the BBFC altogether? Why not simply leave Driller Killer and Cannibal Holocaust to "parental responsibility"? If that's your position, say so openly. If it ain't then what the fuck are you moaning about? I saw Dark Knight and it's not a 12, unless the system has lost all meaning.
As you are so keen on the freedoms of children, will you be campaigning to rid the world of that most grotesque of human rights abusese, known as "school"?
Roger Thornhill:
"NL, Tories and FibDums are all part of the problem. The only answer is the Libertarian Party."
HaHaHa. Thanks for that, best joke i'v seen on here. You are joking?
"Al Jazeera aired the pictures and the written demands but then cut the next scene. It shows the 18 men trussed up and blindfolded in front of a ditch. A hooded man then fires into the back of one of their heads and – along with other men off-camera – goes from one body to the next, firing again and again. Some of the victims are still alive, their legs kicking and the hooded man goes to each one and fires again into their heads. Then, in the background, a bearded youth approaches the camera, holding an Islamic flag. He is singing."
Ed who? surely not Ed Vaizey, the MP for Wantage and Didcot, who is one of the signatories of principles for the Henry Jackson Society, a ‘think tank’ that mirrors the aims and agenda of the Project for the New American Century ‘think tank’ that was the driving and manipulating force behind the ‘war on terror’ and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?
At last some of you are waking up....i detestblair and brown but what will replace them?
Dave seems like an inteeligent bloke but he isnt really going to do anything radical.osbourne gives me no confidence at all.a 3 time bilderberg attendee and has useless ideas and already stated that things will be hard to change financially! david davis is surrounded by people whi INTRODUCED ID cards in other countries(so much for freedom DD) so what are the rest of them hiding?
while i love to see brown and badger ,harridan h and the repugnant red dwarf from 'dont look now' making a balls up each and every day the alternative doesnt exactly look too promising either!
Conhome are now saying 'But surely there is a middle way between state control of social life and a complete laissez-faire approach. You could even call it conservatism!'
so are the nutories following that other nulab failure: third way bollox.
let's hope henry @1024 is right and this is just silly season nonsense.
Guido Fawkes said...
"Anonymong,
Why do you come here if you don't like it?
"Have a full refund and fuck off."
Well thats not very liberal of you Mr Fawkes but glad to see the full refund is back in place!
Good stuff Guido.
Dave zig zags (or should I say zig zaks) with the weather – CCHQ is one big focus group. Next week we’ll be back to individual freedoms and a continental café culture. Anyway at least there’s lots of pretty girls hanging around the party now so he must be doing something right hey girls!
But I can’t wait to see how Dave gets on against a new Labour leader.
Miliband would be their best choice but he's either shot his bolt or playing a game that’s soooo complex, clever, brilliant even…..mmmm difficult to say. The Americans fancy him.
Harman would be a disaster. Ok as far as we know she doesn’t have a willy but let’s just say ‘all men are bastards’! Yuk.
Johnson appears to have lowered his profile recently; maybe he’s timing his run?
Either way Dave will get found out and the pretty girls will return to their glittering PR careers.
Points:
No problem with the BBFC recommendations - and that is all they should be.
Most people read reviews and the adverts usually give a clue as to content.
My 3 year-old is not going to see Batman, but Guido's intelligent 11 year-old godson might be thrilled to be taken by his godfather to see it.
No, Guido does not believe that the state should jail parents who don't force their children to attend compulsory schooling.
The Tory's used to say quite often that individuals knew better than the state how to spend their money.
You don't hear it so much now.
Quite agree Eileen. I would genuinely be happy for Labour to get Cruddas - I think they've hammered their base so much that a plaster won't do - they need 'The Surgeon'. Hee hee. Hmm.. best get some work done I guess.
Dave and his fellow cons can never be in favour of freedom so long as they support the EU.
Vaisey is simply reminding local councils they can change the rating on a flm.
For what it's worth, I've seen the film; it's a cracker, but definitely not suitable for young teenagers.
That's it then i'm going to vote for that Le Farge fucker.Stupid Tory twat's are just as bad as Liebour.
I think you missed a point Guido-
Yes, Guido does believe you can drive pissed up and uninsured. Guido also thinks its your responsibility to get out of the way in case i run you or a member of your family over and kill them.
Penultimate point before I actually do some work. I've been watching the World at War every morning before coming to work and if I had kids I'd make them watch it when they were 7-8 and whatever scenes Batman has in it won't ever compare to that.
Anonymong 10.53 - get a proper job you social worker.
If these people think a 12 year-old is going to be put off seeing the Batman movie simply because a bunch of concillors slapping a 15 certificate on it they must be mad.
Apart from kids taking part in the great British tradition of sneaking in to see movies you are too young for, today's kids will simply download them off the web or get a pirate copy from a mate at school.
O/T again - please ignore my previous query re cloning UK passports. Have found something in the Times:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4467106.ece
and
http://www.itpro.co.uk/605217/e-passports-fail-cloning-test
Needless to say, Jacky Spliff's crew at the Home Office deny it. Too many spliffs?
Thank you Mr F for allowing O/T comments.
A 12a film can be seen by a child of any age if accompanied by an adult. Thus the adult may feel that the bbfc has found the film suitable for children of all ages as long as they are present. It is quite clear from those that have seen the film, that it is certainly not suitable for young children.
Thank you Guido for making it clear to a few Tories here that the argument in politics is no longer left, right or centre.
It is about authoritarianism or liberty.
Remember, Libertarians may or may not end up rich, successful or famous but they do die happy because they lived their lives how they wanted to.
www.lpuk.org
Pure common sense. And no income tax.
"It is quite clear from those that have seen the film, that it is certainly not suitable for young children."
In their opinion.
You might like to update 'The thick of it' after reading FT today, Notebook, P8 Stefan Stern appears to have regurgitated the vermin story....
You might like to update 'The thick of it' after reading FT today, Notebook, P8 Stefan Stern appears to have regurgitated the vermin story....
Dick the Prick:
Never has a commenter been so aptly named.
I'm with Guido here. I think after the NuLab project (ramming worthless health/education/transport 'initiatives' down our throats and taxing us more to pay for them) the last thing anyone in the country needs to hear is our 'fresh new Tories' dictating what they can and can't do.
Everyone seems to have missed it but the Boris Johnson win in London wasn't based on a Trad Tory agenda or a NuLab one - it was vigorously libertarian (let the people decide, give charitable groups the means to sort out problems, lower taxes less intervention).
Now if Boris can do it in London, Cam can do it nationwide. Just shut Vaizey and Gove up!
Well said.
Government will ease them back into their authoritarian ways.
(Vote Lib Dem)
"Everyone seems to have missed it but the Boris Johnson win in London wasn't based on a Trad Tory agenda or a NuLab one - it was vigorously libertarian (let the people decide, give charitable groups the means to sort out problems, lower taxes less intervention)."
What utter bollocks. The first thing he did was ban drinking on the Tube. You are all suspected of being violent drunks, so none of you will drink on the Tube. That is not Libertarian. That is totalitarianism and deeply offensive.
Well said Guido! Hear! Hear! Hear!
Blair tell us we 'can't' point out China's 'failings' during the Games. Hmmm? We can't, he has spoken, the Chinese wouldn't like to hear the truth about themselves! Especially 'not now'! Fuck them, fuck Blair since when do we allow fascists to tell us what to think?
Two: Guardian 'tells us' that we 'must' have two kids (depopulationists!!!NWO)
English people that is. Immigrants can spawn as many offsrping as they like! I will sire one thousand children if i desire!!! Fuck you liberals! You gay-boy, can't get it up limp dicks! In fact I will fuck and impregnate all of your wives! It will be the first good fuck those sluts have had in a while I bet!
Old Holborn said ...
Libertarians may or may not end up rich, successful or famous but they do die happy ...
Libertarians on this blog don't seem very happy - seem more like grumpy old men
Anon 11.17 - you are a social worker or a teacher aren'tcha??? Come on, tell ya uncle Ricky - it's okay, nothing to be ashamed about.
Guido,
Judging from your comments will we be seeing you at the LPUK AGM?
[With apologies for sentimentalism] With you there Old Holborn!
And several of me dear old Dad’s Old Holborn tins from many years ago are still with me and in use. He’d go loopy now. He never bothered anyone, - but he made bloody sure that no-one, - official arsehole or not, - bothered him! Mind you, in those days, Britain still had a semblance of a free state.
Anon 11:26:
"Libertarians on this blog don't seem very happy - seem more like grumpy old men"
Old Holburn used to be bitter and bummed too!
Well said "old holborn"
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Built to Last - remember it - had some libertarian sentiments, Cameron has them too.
Its the theocon, authoritarian bores at Conservativehome that worry me. Especially now that Cameron has hired a speeech writer from there.
Liberty is an unknown concept to Montgomerie & co
Blogger Dick the Prick said...
"Anon 11.17 - you are a social worker or a teacher aren'tcha??? Come on, tell ya uncle Ricky - it's okay, nothing to be ashamed about."
Sorry Knob, my mistake. If you had called yourself Dick the Unfunny Prick then that would have been apt!
Hortense,
Slight correction: The hung parliament you so desire would actually be a hanged parliament. I know this ruins your joke, but, according to friend Tuscan Tony, pedantry seems to be the order of the day. Tim W willbe proud :-)
Under no circumstances should the government seek to protect children from the content of innappropriate movies. Christ, you'll be telling dads not to bugger their own offspring next. It's all a matter of choice surely? Leave it to the parents to decide. They always know best. Mine certainly did.
Anon 11.40 - you equated watching a crappy film with drink driving idiot! Way to miss the central argument that parents are best placed to bring up their kids - plus, it being 12A they can always walk out. My mum took me out of Empire Strikes Back and wouldn't let me watch Grange Hill. Grow up.
"Telling other people to live by rules they don't apply to themselves."
Hello Polly!
@anonymous 11:26: I'm more of a Grumpy Cunt, myself.
We're grumpy because people don't leave us the fuck alone.
I note no nudging over that Spelman woman Guido?
A lot of people (the ones I talk with anyway) are more interested in freedom truth and honesty in politics, rather than some knob politician trumpeting on about it.
Some who read this blog are not at all surprised that the Tories are hoping this Spelman disaster will quietly go away.
It won't nor is it likely to be forgotten by many voters.
Interesting point Mr Prick.
The Elders Remittance generally took a fairly broadminded view of what my brother and I were allowed to watch. Really grafic violence was generally avoided, except in one instance. When we were about eight and five they made a very specific point of sitting us down to watch one particular epsiode of the World at War - the one about the Holocaust. And yes we did find it disturbing (hell, the same episode makes me queasy even today).
The thing that sticks in my mind though was why we found it disturbing; it wasn't the violence per se, although the scenes shown were pretty horiffic. The really disturbing thing was the fact that this wasn't make believe like in the movies.
Kids can tell the difference, you know.
bsbhof@11:48
You lucky sod! I had to wait until I was fifteen and the headmaster did that for me. Some people just don't realise how lucky they are to have parents that care.
I don't think we should have any laws or ratings coz people only break them anyway.
And who do these elected representatives think they are expressing views about the sort of society we should be creating and what's acceptable & what's not? That's not their job. Their job is to ..., er, ... well I guess we don't need them anyway coz we're all responsible adults so we can just do what the hell we like and it will all work out in the end.
Gove's and Vaizey's utterances seem entirely consistent with those of their leader, who after all has been known to condemn chocololate oranges.
Colour me completely unsurprised.
" Anonymong,
Why do you come here if you don't like it?
"Have a full refund and fuck off.' "
You are sounding about as stupid as when you appeared on Newsnight.
Libertarians are indeed fathers too - more's the pity.
Of course you have the freedom to not support the poor and needy at home and overseas, but you can't blame them for hating you, and you can't be too surprised when they rob you or try to blow you up.
Just one miserable "libertarian" (I prefer selfish bastard, but that's just semantics) can prevent a society acting together to improve the lot of all. But that might involve some sacrifice for the greater good - totally unacceptable, eh Guido?
The final victory of Blair is that the Tory Party can't be Thatcherite any more, it has to be Blairite to win. I think a Cameron government will choke you all. You'll despise it as much as the left will. Exactly as the left despised Blair as venomously as you do.
Libertarian = selfish bastard eh?
I think what you mean is "give me your money or I will call you a selfish bastard"
Sorry chum, my money, I'll spend it how I see fit. After all, I earned it.
Labour mongs back from jollies
The choice between Nu Labour and Nu Cons at the next election is the choice between a bucket of cold shit and a bucket of steaming hot new shit.
Both buckets are placed down by the EU stablehand and the 'voters' get the choice of which one they want.
Vote UKIP fuck all the rest of them.
Obnoxio The Clown
"We're grumpy because people don't leave us the fuck alone."
I bet the women do.
So the Conservative debate about liberty revolves around whether 14 year olds can go and watch Batman. In the meantime the hedge funds and other speculators who contribute to Tory funds are free to abuse the market in oil and other commoditities causing real suffering (and restrictions in freedom/liberty/ food intake) for many out there in the real world, without any of you raising so much as a dicky bird.
BTW I loved Council House Tory's observation that the Tory Party has always had an authoritarian fringe - was that the fringe that raised the roof at Tory Conference when Edwina was waiving handcuffs etc. etc
"Julie Burchill is on to something" -- huh? Don't make me laugh. You are really desperate if you are relying on Birchill to support you.
The likes of 'NUTS' and the Batman movie are ripe for criticism. They are both crap - so why cannot people say so?
In fact 'Rotten Tomatoes (which like the movie) points out that - "but this isn't a kid-friendly action movie full of the bams and pows of the original series. This is a pitch-black thriller " it also adds that THe Joker sh