Watching the Pigs Vote
The chamber is unusually busy for a late Thursday afternoon, more often than not many MPs slope off early on Thursday for the weekend. Could it be that they have a lot of self interest in this particular vote?Various pleadings are being made:
Others earn more. GPs for instance. Well if you want to make more money go do something else. Study at medical school and cure people rather than tax them.
We deal with hundreds of letters. No they don't, their staff do.
We work 70 hours a week. Oh, please.
We need to attract the best and the brightest. Why? Are the best and the brightest motivated by money?
We are so hard done by. Come off it. Long serving MPs amass massive pensions and property portfolios paid for by taxpayers. Never has a class of parasites complained so loudly about the generosity of the host.
None of them mention that their current package is already worth over £130,000, they all prefer to refer disingenuously to the basic salary of £61,820. The existing basic package including accommodation allowance is worth £98,670, add on the £30 per diem allowance and the pension and you have a clearer picture of the total £130,000 package. The trough is filled with honourable snouts...
82 comments:
well if they don't like the wages, why don't they fuck off and get a better paid job.
fucking moaning cunts.
I'd do the job for food, accomodation and a pension.
Service innit.
Why are there so many fucking job applicants for each post if the pay ain't good enough?
"We need to attract the best and the brightest"
So at least they admit they are not the best and the brightest, or presumeably they would not have been attracted to the job, unless there was some other reason...
We need to attract the best and the brightest
- It's not worked so far, has it?
To pay them even more is a classic example of reinforcing failure.
hi i work 70 hours a week and get paid £6.50 an hour if i work all year i get £23,660
no expenses, no nothing
I've been involved with three of them , at close quarters. One an old Tory lag playing the system. One a nulab ex civil servant, utterly unemployable in the real world - his plan A after losing his seat last time, was to try and get a job as a paid local councilor. Thirdly a Tory moderniser with a city background.
None of them struck me as being worth 3 times the average wage, two of them I wouldn't employ in my small business.
Fawkes is right to highlight the fact that they inherited a situation where they make their own rules and are taking advantage of the fact. For some nonce to suggest this makes him undemocratic, is bollocks.
Look, just find out how your MP voted, which won't be difficult as I can't imagine there will be any no votes to there undeserved pay rise. If your MP voted to get it then just don't vote for them at the next election. When they come banging on your door asking you to vote then let them no how corrupt our democratic system is and tell them to go forth and multiply!
Dr Kanvi Sing
Parliament today:
Motion: Relating to MPs Pay and Allowances for 1.5 hours
The MPs do need a pay boost, especially the poverty stricken ones like Keith Vaz who, according to the register of members' interests, has had a couple of free foreign holidays pretty much every year (with flight upgrades applied) thanks to his job.
Without a pay rise or expenses increase how can they possibly afford to buy their sarnies at Heathrow when they're jetting round the world at other peoples' expense? Airport tea/sarnies are very expensive you know.
The poor mite only managed to get just over £148,000 in expenses in 2006/7.
Remember, the proposed 20 grand or so of expenses is just for "personal" expenses; they can still pay their family and get other wheezes out of the other expenses and perks kitties.
It looks to me like the true financial gain of being an MP is somewhere around £500,000 a year if you're clever with it like Vaz, and that doesn't count pensions.
It's true, the staff do deal with hundreds of constituents' letters each week.
And we haven't had a pay rise this year. Not even inflation-rate. At all.
Guido- your last sentence- "honourable snouts"?????
There's nothing honourable about these snouts. Is this more orwellian doublespeak?
They'll probably vote for 3% and the spinners will say they were restrained.
Restrained? My mortgage payemnt has just gone up by £100 per month and I already have to choose between food or diesel.
I'll need restraining from thumping this lot!
How can they compare with GP's?
Last time I looked a GP had to be, fit to practice, highly intelligent and spend years at medical school. Whilst any old Tom Dick and Harry can become an MP with no educational qualifications or training. They really do think they are Very Important People don't they?
'Burning our money' has made the point that while lots of people are very keen to become MPs i.e. supply exceeds demand, there is no reason for an increase.
I never had the Latin to be a judge.
There's a few MPs that need a pay boost mind.
Caroline Spelman has now got to pay her nanny's wages, Conway has to pay his son's tuition fees and the Winterton's find the rent.
They are prostitutes every one of them.
Can't see how they work 70 hours a week, when Parliament is in recess for a quarter of the year and they slip away most Thursday Lunchtimes.
Who is the girnning cow behind harriet? Do the doctors know that she is out?
Harriet has just said MP's addresses will be excluded from all FOI requests.
Some bright spark asked if ALL addresses would be removed from receipts e.g. plumbers, builders. She seemed to say they would. Will this prevent proper scrutiny?
Lot of wriggling and squirming on independent audits and assurance processes.
The Dirty Rat said...
They are prostitutes every one of them.
July 3, 2008 4:27 PM
No need to malign an honest profession.
Argument seems to be that £3k per audit per MP is dis-proportionate. Are they serious? They'll get back triple that by stopping the fraud!
What do we all do when our democracy is so wracked with corruption and self interest amongst the ruling elite?
Our democracy is broken, and we cannot fix it at the ballot box because red, blue, yellow are all the same.
Armed insurgency and revolution it is then.
Who's with me?
Is that salary figure the true gross amount? The correct way to value the PiggyPackage is surely to ask what gross salary would be requird to produce the same net income. So the £22k housing allowance equates to £40k of equivalent salary, the £30 per diem is another £50 of salary, and so on.
In particular, look at pensions. In 2006 Blair's pension pot was worth £5 million (i.e. that's the gross sum he'd need in a private pension to collect the indexed wedge he can expect).
Since he'd been in Parliament for only 23 years at that point, that's another £200k a year on top of all the above.
So the real figure for the average MP is, I suspect, a lot closer to £300,000 a year than to £130,000.
Cunts.
They are prostitutes every one of them.
July 3, 2008 4:27 PM
You seem to be missing the fact that prostitutes actually have to work for their money...
Clive Betts is wondering if he can still claim for rent boys. Only with a receipt, Clive.
Oh, and that is of course before employing their families to do fuck all.
Don Touhig (Lab - Islwyn) is offering an amendment that would essentially undermine the audit proposals.
He was the PMs PPS (is he still? did Angela Eagle join him, or replace him?) and had the temerity to ask this question on Tuesday:
“To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform what advice his Department has issued to businesses to tackle and prevent online fraud.”
The idea that he takes an interest in avoiding fraud in business whilst opposing full audit because of "the cost of Fat Cats from the Auditing firms" (quote from today's debate) is despicable.
MPs are giving Nick Harvey (LD - North Devon) a fairly hard time (he is introducing the audting provisions) and carping about the 'cost of the audit process' even though it would be no more than HALF OF ONE PERCENT OF WHAT THEY CLAIM.
Anyone want to take a bet that expenses fall by more than the cost of the audit in the first year?
I have never been so sickened with Parliament as I am watching this debate today.
Morus
Any reason why Guido isn't reporting the sexual and financial misconduct allegations against his Deputy Mayor Ray Lewis?
of course I mean Boris's Deputy Mayor...
Rather few, if any, GPs justify their ludicrous salary - dramatically improved by Byers (I think?), as I suspected at the time to allow for future comparisons with MP salaries!
When will people start looking downward to assess where their pay should be? Even our vastly overpaid CEOs always choose to use American chief exec pay packages to justify their own obscene deals (and I suppose in the US, the CEOs probably have used Bill Gates up to now - though of course going forwards that might force them to donate rather more to charity!)
MPs? Moaning Pleaders!
Why do they have to have private audits, whats wrong with the system the rest of us use, HMRC.
As Mitch said above, the intention is to put most/all of their gardening/window cleaning/pergola building expenses back under cover.
Bastards
Anonymous said...
They are prostitutes every one of them.
July 3, 2008 4:27 PM
You seem to be missing the fact that prostitutes actually have to work for their money...
July 3, 2008 4:40 PM
And they are so bloody ugly.
Is it a job requirement?
The only halfway decent one is the brazilian tranny, wozzitsname flint.
It's simple. They know the game's (i.e. the UK economy going down the toilet) up so they are going to take as much as they can before the shit hits the fan. Just like Hitler's cronies. Despicable bunch of gits. The rest of us, what pays their wages, will suffer real declines in income this year and probably next, so why the fuck they think it's justified to pay themselves any more is beyond me. Especially because it's mostly their bloody fault.
A better debate would be how they are going to cut public spending and hence cut taxes so's we all don't go down the tubes.
Wankers.
like i posted earlier 300 jobs in leeds may go to the wall, macfarlenes has gone into revicership , as this is a £20 million turnover haulage comapany , it gives you and idea of how the others must be doing.
and this lot are concerned about security fears via reciept adresess!!, well in that case then dont run the country like the EUSSR and mps should all be safe.
dont mps get it they are stuffing us whilst they want to suff themselves with more money , the VED thing is a prime example , that tax is going to hit hardest those who can only afford a used car , utter gits this goverment they really are .
hilarious that all you lot are completely ignoring the unravelling shenanigans at City Hall..
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm perfectly happy for them not to receive any salary or expenses. It's just that that will alter the demographic makeup of the house somewhat.
If you want them to have any empathy at all with 90% of Britain, then you need to decide how much is enough to make the job attractive.
I have no problem with the law being overseen by overprivileged ex-publicschool rich kids who all inherited their money and decided to play at politics. I'd probably agree with most of them...
Scandal
City Hall
Deputy Mayor Ray Lewis
Sexual misconduct allegations
Financial misconduct allegations
Anybody?
@Anonymous said...
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hilarious that all you lot are completely ignoring the unravelling shenanigans at City Hall..
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Great isn't it? Since when did Anon get to demand what Guido writes about on HIS blog. Start your own eh and bitch about Boris if you want to - no-one's stopping you. In the meantime, aaaahhhh, diddums.
@Anonymous said...
Scandal
City Hall
Deputy Mayor Ray Lewis
Sexual misconduct allegations
Financial misconduct allegations
Anybody?
July 3, 2008 4:58 PM
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Yeah - you. Go on then, who is stopping you?
"Are the best and the brightest motivated by money?"
Not always in my opinion, but doesnt this argument rather undermine the argument for sky high city salaries and low taxes on high earners so often championed on ths site?
Or do different rules apply to MPs!
What is Ray Lewis supposed to have done?!
"Never has a class of parasites complained so loudly about the generosity of the host."
Hi. I like Muslims.
Hey, nice weather we're having.
Right, must pop down the shops for some scratchcards.
Bye.
I am just wondering how to become an MP. Obviously I would be fit for this as I have no obvious political convictions and I will do anything for a bit of cash and ... which party is doing best right now anybody knw?
lola said 'suffer real declines in income....'
Lola
1 The shit has hit the fan and very few will be immune from the contagion(MP's excepted of course).
2 The economy, built on cheap credit, is leveraged to the limit. Banks are bankrupt, housebuilders are bankrupt and millions of families are bankrupt. The Govt, PM and Chancellor are in denial. For Darling to say that GBplc is better geared than others to weather the storm is a montrous lie. If not a lie he is a certfiably insane fuckwit.
3. The £ will go through the floor. Foreigners will not lend yo us other than on higher interest rates. The Govt will have to borrow and to raisse taxes. The recesion to follow will make early 90's seem mild(were you around?)
4. Our fuckwit claimed credit for the years of Enron style growth. He had fuckall to do with it. It was an expansion of credit based on the false premise of low inflation. The low inflation was due to China making the cost of goods incredibly cheap. China is now exporting inflation and the West is so dependent on them we have no alternative supply sources. We are fucked. Brown-Darling now blame international events. Bullshit. Brown expanded Govt by 800,000 increased taxes and borrowings based on the false premise that growth was sustainable leading the moron to state 'no more boom or bust'. A fitting epitapph to the man who presided over the greatest boom or bust since 1930.
We have seen nothing yet. Europe derided by Brown will not suffer as we will.
Anonymous (5.04) said...
"Are the best and the brightest motivated by money?"
"Not always in my opinion, but doesnt this argument rather undermine the argument for sky high city salaries and low taxes on high earners so often championed on ths site?
Or do different rules apply to MPs!"
Errr, but the sky high city salaries are for people who errr, produce things. You, know, create wealth, jobs, pay tax, contribute generally.....nah, you wouldn't understand.
And they have the gall to say that, because they vote on important, sometimes life-or-death issues, they deserve higher pay is ludicrous. This is a fantastic privilege: if anything they should pay to have the right to vote on these issues!!!
I love this stuff, all you tossers just talking about all the tossers who run the country, so come on then boys and girls, what you going to do about it, are you just going to sit there and take it,you all sound like a load of politicians
Several references here to MPs being like prostitutes, and some objections to the comparison. But there is an obvious truth in that MPs DO fuck us for a living. Guess the real difference is that prostitution is a much more honourable profession.
Have a look at any MP's C.V. and it will be fairly light on detail unlike mine when I go for a job when I have to give details of qualifications and be prepared to show certificates otherwise I won't be considered.
So what do MPs need, GCSE grade 3 in running the country? Nope, in fact there is no guarantee that the PPC in your constituency could run a bath let alone a nation.
Bye the bye, as Boris has been mentioned in posts, can anyone tell me the latest situaton regarding the leftie warbler Arabella Weir? Last I heard, she promised to go on hunger strike and throw herself under a horse at Ascot if BoJo was elected. Or was what she said a typical NuLabour promise?
Qualifications? In one recent case (Moyra Tamsin Dinwoody-Kneafsey) - only the misguided belief that being the daughter of a deceased MP was sufficient.
Sorry Dunwoody-Kneafsey
Now that they have voted to keep the dicredited expense system. ALL Tory MP's who voted to keep it MUST be deselected. IF Cameron has any leadership qualities he has got to show the public NOW that he will not tolerate his Party having MP's who vote this way.
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM.
Anyone got a link where I can see who voted for it?
(loading rifle right now)
Old Holborn, For voting records Google theyworkforyou.com
Anon @ 4.42 and others (or the same) @ 4.53, and 4.58
"Any reason why Guido isn't reporting the sexual and financial misconduct allegations against his Deputy Mayor Ray Lewis?"
Yes, we are discussing the thieves trying to steal even more of our money as we speak. We think that is more important. As elby the beserk rightly suggests above, go and start your own blog - then you can decide the topics, and even what to do about them.
We'll try and manage without you.
hilarious that all you lot are completely ignoring the unravelling shenanigans at City Hall..
anon @ 4:58
There's an article on Ray Lewis on Conservative Home.
Bugger off over there and tell them all about the dirt you've got on Lewis - if any.
Right Guido, the trough fest is over - so let's be 'aving the information on how all these greedy cunts voted so we can get letters off to our MPs if they're on the Offenders List. My response is short & simple - if they're on any part of the list ('cos I understand there were a number of points to vote on) that they shouldn't be IMO, they won't be getting my vote come 2010. However, if my MP has made all the right choices, I shall write to thank & congratulate him. Could you advise how best to get that info? Many thanks.
TBH I pleased they voted to keep their trough. I demonstrates clearly and unambiguously how throughly, irretrievably corrupt they are.
Had they voted to reduce their expenses and make themselves fully accountable to the electorate there would have remained a glimmer of doubt.
This vote proves (as if we needed to be told) that our elected representatives are just greedy fuckers. How can the Labour MPs sit on their fat arses and vote to keep the second home benefits? The country is going down the hole and they are securing their property portfolios.
HORRIBLE FAT PIGGIES
The best and brightest can't be bought.
Not even at the top end of this price range.
This is why the West is fucked. Corporatism has taken over from nationalism.
Anonymous 4:22 said...
How can they compare with GP's? Last time I looked a GP had to be, fit to practice, highly intelligent and spend years at medical school....
Can't believe this one went unchallenged. Last time I looked, my GP was an overweight twit with out-of-date qualifications, rather rude and arrogant, and smelling a little of a mid-afternoon snifter. On that basis the MPs' claim to about equal money seems quite supportable.
...and the government ministers who voted in favour of keeping the additional costs allowance for free homes, sorry I mean second homes, worth up to £24,000 a year, were:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7488639.stm
Many thanks anon 9:43
Wot no Balls & Cooper? No Milipedes? Don't tell me decency is creeping into the ranks of NuLab Ministers?
If you had the chance to vote your own pay, would you vote against increasing it?
Seriously?
I think it's a safe bet the majority wouldn't. The vast majority.
I see that Shaun Woodward has backed keeping the £24,000 second home bounty. Is this the same Shaun Woodward who is married to a Sainsbury and has a fucking butler? Yes i think it is. There's fat piggies and then there's this tosser taking greed to a whole new level.
The GP comparison is dodgy for all sorts of reasons, not least that there is no standard GP remuneration as a high proportion of GPs are now salaried (often part-time as they can't get a full-time contract) workers being employed by other GPs who just happened to be lucky enough to be partners/principals when NuLab negotiated the new GP contract. The employing GPs share the practice profit but the salaried ones sometimes make less per hour than aromatherapists, reflexologists and hopi ear candlers.
New Labour renegotiated the GP contract and broke the link between the amount of money a practice receives and the number of qualified GP principals (i.e. partners) working there. This was dressed up as enabling "skill mix" but was really in order to pave the way for their corporate friends (psst... want a non-exec directorship when you leave office?) to take over primary care services. The douceur was Government letting GPs drop out-of- hours cover - a fact Gordo conveniently forgets now that people are pissed off with being fobbed off with NHS Direct etc
Now you may not care whether profit goes to corporates or GP principals but most people do not realise that the doc they get to see in surgery is quite often earning way below what the government and MSM headlines suggest.
The MPs should go and look upon the statue of Cromwell and reflect that millions of us are waiting for a new Cromwell to throw them and their cronies out of power and govern this land wisely and well.They will not be missed
vile, they have voted to keep their expenses.
They are public servants and can spend what they like: I am a public servant, and evewry penny I spend and claim on expenses is scrutinised with a fucking microscope.
Have rope, lamp post, let's go
Thank you anon 9:43.
33 Funerals it is then
Hello hello hello?
What's all this then?
Why are Pravda reporting this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7488971.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7487126.stm
Two Chemists, aged 23, found dead in a Sarf Lahndon bedsit.
My. They must have pissed off their Yardie drug dealing bosses big time.
Apparently the place was "burgled" two days before. No doubt all the proceeds from Glastonbury were taken and a Gallic shrug didn't quite cut the mustard with big Winston.
(tip:Winston burgled the place. Sent Mad Frankie Frasier round to cancel the £50K invoice the French sent him. It'll be a film next year)
So, anon @ 9.43, 33 of the pigs voted to keep the trough, how many voted not to? And FFS how many are there?????
Don't you mean DISHONOURABLE snouts Mr Guido?
My fingers are beginning to twitch for the feel of piano wire.
They know they will be out at the next election so it is every man and woman out for themselves and stuff their constituents!
the doctor comparisons is bollox if you are ill he will cure you if you write your mp you get a useless letter that does nowt.
If it`s true that 200 apply for each seat simple economics tells us the reward is to high and as for the "best and the brightest" think that sion simon wankstain or patsy hugenit bright they aint or ed bollox a man so up himself he is inside out.
MPs should only be paid when they turn up. It is obvious that a gravy train is in operation when you see an empty house, e.g. for the knife-carrying dabate recently.
The case for accommodation support is there but not at the indulgent level that they have voted to maintain.
Name and shame the troughing thieves.
Chief Piggy was notable for his absence "attending a meeting at Number 10". A piss take.
Country going down the toilet and a very real recession now in progress - and this is what MPs and Ministers have come up with. Shame on them - cowardly and self-centred.
Most disgusting claim in the debate: none of the above. It's Don Touhig peacocking that they make important decisions on legislation.
The most important legislative decision that Touhig and most of his colleagues ever make is guessing whether they need to read the PLP briefing before voting the way they are told. (Few of them are curious enough to compare it with the actual legislation or library research when they do. It would have the inconvenient effect of revealing how much they are lied to be the party that suckles them.)
Learning to parrot departmental briefs in live interviews and debates with some semblance of wit and understanding, as ministers have to, is obviously a superior skill (for which they are rewarded with grand status) - but it shouldn't be confused with exerting grand strategic guidance over the nation, either.
Old Holborn - bitter and twisted said...
"Two Chemists, aged 23, found dead in a Sarf Lahndon bedsit.
My. They must have pissed off their Yardie drug dealing bosses big time."
What a disgusting suggestion. You are a sad old git.
Anonymous said...
Old Holborn - bitter and twisted said...
"Two Chemists, aged 23, found dead in a Sarf Lahndon bedsit.
My. They must have pissed off their Yardie drug dealing bosses big time."
What a disgusting suggestion. You are a sad old git.
July 4, 2008 8:45 AM
Do you 'ave a more rational explanation? If not, shut the fuck up, and piss-off to LabourHome. CUNT!
You are the afterbirth of that tart Jacqui Smith, and I claim my five-pounds.
CUNT! Just in case you missed the message. :)
Anonymous said...
"You seem to be missing the fact that prostitutes actually have to work for their money..."
The English ones don't do much work. Lazy bitches. Thank god for the French.
"The chamber is unusually busy for a late Thursday afternoon."
That's because there is a vote at the end of the day's business, rather than a "topical debate" with no vote, eejit.
My Tory MP says the following on his website:
"In the last three years I have taken sub-inflation pay increases and the London Allowance has not risen in line with its previous comparator. I work up to 80 hours a week including weekends. I deal with up to 500 letters each month that each need a reply. In addition I have my activities in the House - I am a Shadow Transport Minister - which take up a lot of time.
According to the previous Civil Service comparator we used, a similar grade Civil Servant now earns £107,000 a year. I recognise that the public would not initially be happy with this – but an initial rise to at least £75,000 is appropriate. Please remember that the average GP earns £118,000 and works fewer hours and hardly ever at weekends!"
My heart bleeds for him. Tell you what, I'll happily swap jobs.
http://www.stephenhammondmp.com/hys.asp
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