Downing Street Offers Lisbon Treaty Referendum Today
If you wanted a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty as promised by Gordon, now via the Downing Street petition site* you can finally vote for or against ratifying the treaty. Who said Downing Street would never give the people a chance to vote on the Lisbon Treaty?
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Click on the appropriate box to vote on the official Downing Street Website*Guido might have helped bring this referendum about...
121 comments:
Are you sure they're not just after our names an addresses?
Nice work Guido... I might use my democretin right to vote for both
So that's Snotty, Smarman and Darling.
Who else?
Clearly rigged - where would they find 3 people to log on in support of the Lisbon Treaty?
And what about those who want to respect the Irish result and vote for ratification or ignore the Irish result and still don't want us to ratify.
Surely if you believe in national sovereignty the views of the Irish on this matter should be of little relvance to our decision
Nice one Guido, thanks.
All signers, don't forget to forward the link to friends and colleagues.
It's worth signing just to piss Brown off.
Anon said So that's Snotty, Smarman and Darling.
Who else?
Gary Elsby?
why not publish a link to the poll?
Thank you Guido. My only connection with this petition is that I have voted for the treaty to be abandoned and advertised the link here and there. I compliment you on the very diplomatic way you presented it and look forward to all 20 million Guido fans telling GB to stop acting like Mugabe.
"No" vote has gone up from 6,000 to 17,000 in 24hrs
whoops! you have!
maybe make it dummy-proof for people like me, and put it in bigger letters! Click HERE to vote etc
I thought you were Irish? What are you doing setting up petitions on our PM's website?
Now I'm no mathematical genius but isn't that:
5697.6666666666666666666666666667
to
1 ?
voted no a couple of days ago, but suspect that will be the only chance I get.
just watched DP on the net and caroline flint was allowed to interrupt and shout throughout. the bbc really are the media wing of labour.
Guido merely encouraged the setting up of the referendum. So more of a catalyst...
i'll let you off then Mr. Fawkes, on a side note, do you think you have an MI5 file?
I voted on the no petition. They now have my name & address.
They can also lock me up for up to 42 days without charge.
Will they use the database to round up all the dissenters?
Very Zanulab!
Council House Tory said...
"just watched DP on the net and caroline flint was allowed to interrupt and shout throughout. the bbc really are the media wing of labour."
She was reprimanded for it on air by (Tory) Andrew Neil and apologised (almost gracefully).
End of story.
Mr. Fawkes, on a side note, do you think you have an MI5 file?
June 18, 2008 4:27 PM
M15? nah, zay are all snazzy vebsites & ethnic recruitment drives zhese days.
Now za European NSA on ze other hand... ve are different kettle of fish altogether, as you ex-British used to zay.....& yah, ve are watching zhe dangerous subversive Guido Fawkes like a nazi watches war films.
zer vill be no dissent tolerated in ze glorious Fourth Reich - especially from ze Irish now.
Hail Emporer Barroso.
Hmmm... 17,000 to not ratify, and 3 for ratification.
That's less people than the BBC managed to find on the street for the Treaty on their 'vox pop' screened during the Daily Politics.
Psy-op anyone.
Remember you can't trust them to run a phone poll to name a cat.
Way to go Guido
FREEDOM!
So at 5.05pm the current score is:
17,841 voting for Democracy
6 stooges of the Fourth Reich
Anon 5:06
Nah 5 and 1 fucking idiot(me) who clicked the wrong box
Anon 5:06
Nah 5 and 1 fucking idiot(me) who clicked the wrong box
I have started a google advertising campaign to raise the profile of the petition. Anyone want to help out with a small donation? (its through paypal, so less that a £5 probably isn't worth it!).
Only looking to raise £50
You’re wasting your breath and somebody’s money if you think ZanuNL gives a flying toss what the result of the vote is. You may as well piss into a blowing Gail.
Welcome to the end of democracy everybody, its fucked, used up and finished. Only Obama throwing Barroso under a bus can save us now.
Thanks Guido for publishing teino I have just signed the total is upto 17,900. as opposed to 6 in favor of the facist eurocrats
I'm just amazed that deluded Zanu-labour knob jocky Gary Elsby isnt on the list.
@Anonymous said at 4:10pm...
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Surely if you believe in national sovereignty the views of the Irish on this matter should be of little relvance to our decision
//
Well, you clearly have not noticed that the main thrust of the EUSSR is to REMOVE national sovereignty. Either that, or you aren't too smart?
Check out these links if you want more info on why the EU is such a threat
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=613#comment-166223
Didn't the motorists' petition have more than 4 days to get signatures?
But if it embarasses Goron the Moron...
18091 V 8
What is it when governments get into power? They all want to suck up to America and the EU.
This Government has been the worse though Gordon sell 1/2 the Gold reserves and Tony Blair give up the UK rebate. How much money have these two men cost Great Britain Ltd?
the petition site is still in beta after 20 months - dithering, lack of courage, or is this govt just not very good with computers?
Now look here boys and girls. We are just not doing enough.
Since Guido posted this, the killing this wretched treaty has increased by 1,000.
The petition to forge ahead regardless, and to-hell with democracy, has nearly TRIPPLED - to 8.
Cry Mlaar and unleash the eight mongs of facism!
presterjohn - this government isn't very good with computers....it keeps losing them!
I have some votes to sell to the highest bidder. After all the goverment bought some from northern Ireland the other day!
Can they tell me how much I should be selling them for please?
Dr Kanvi Sing
Guido,
You are Irish. You live in the UK. Can you answer this question, asked now for the 3rd time:
On what basis did you vote in the referendum in Ireland?
Don't any journalists read this site? There is a story here.
Hazel Blurghs was going to sign but someone stole her computer.
You don’t do joined up thinking do you. Guido transcends national borders and if you don’t shut the fuck up, he may blow your cellar up for shit and giggles. This is a local blog for local people; if you don’t like it fuck off to the “I suck Barroso’s cock” thread. I hear they are short of depth and spit.
Anonymous said...
18091 V 8
What is it when governments get into power? They all want to suck up to America and the EU.
This Government has been the worse though Gordon sell 1/2 the Gold reserves and Tony Blair give up the UK rebate. How much money have these two men cost Great Britain Ltd?
June 18, 2008 5:55 PM
They have been bribed - follow the money
anon 4.38. you work for the beeb?
yes neil did needle her. did that stop her. would paxo let her get away with it? a minister bleating on like that is frankly shameful. top marks to the tory for not rising to the bait.
Anonymong 6:25
For journalists Guido is a must read, if you have a story spit it out man.
On what basis do YOU think Guido, an Irishman, voted in an Irish referendum?
Dr Kanvi Singh,
Hold out for the £300,000 each of the Crewe voters got from Alas Darling....
Nice touch, this way they won't be able to say only xxx voted against ratification - I seem to recall them saying only (only!) 1.8 million people voted against speed cameras so 48 million (whatever) approve them.
Now back home from a 40 mile journey through three large towns and one City and only one non white face on route. Perhaps a thousand or more people passed, so what percentage is that?
Go West young man go South West.
anonspaz,
oh do fuck off you boring bnp retard.
what is the point you are trying to make, you dissembling cunt.
spit it out, or are you too scared?
fucking hell, you wankers go right round the houses. that is probably because you know what you are saying is wrong.
you fucking spastic.
Sorry about the above 40 mile journey post, I put it on the wrong thread. It was supposed to be a reply to another poster's question, out of context it comes well across as racist and it was certainly not meant to be so.
Thick as thieves your a cunt.
Nothing personal, just you called me a cunt last week and you need reminding your a cunt too.
"Guido might have helped bring this referendum about..."
Indeed, never underestimate the power of Guinness!
Signatures: 18,798 versus Signatures: 10
Wonder if snotty is watching it.
anonospaz 7.27,
hey, I can take it.
the only difference between our trading of insults is that I was right, and you were wrong.
you retard.
Blast, just missed being 19,0000th voter.
10 people obvious can't read and asked to ignore the Irish vote.
Anyway meanwhile back at the ranch.......Cheries book has only sold about 1600 copies ho ho ho closely followed by prezzas verbal vomit and sleazys rant against bliar.
16,000 out of a possible 6 billion I spose the eu would call it a mandate.
i welcome back labour trolls , and oh they have some new tricks , mimickery is suppose is flattery , but at least offer up a little of labour views!!
the lisbon treaty seem to be causing trouble , as well it should, milliband thinks the questions are childish , but refuses to allow an adult referendum .
everytime you look at gordon you see how frightend he is of a referendum , why would that be surley as SPECTRES number 6 he should be able to sit at blowfelds meetings and not suffer the dissappering chair.
the line about the house voting for it , is abit wonk , as it wasnt even debated properly , how can he be certain that the house has not passed a bill , that has been considered properly by the elected representatives .This is another chicken cooming home to roost in that if you use the house incorrectly on important matters , when the public say NO as pm/archtect of the fraud your humiliation is all the more assured . should have played fair shouldnt you
we now have a pattern of despotic behavoir , that makes SPECTRES way ward boy mugabe look like his hero as each day passes.
That 5 quid on the pledge is me. Lets hope I havent been mugged. I figure its worth risking a fiver if it can help to stop an undemocratic eu superstate.
P.S. you get good value from google ads. I did one once at about 5 or 10 p an add, where they showed it 1000 times to get a click. So 50 quid = about a million page shows !
P.P.S. Im not completely against Europe but I think we should decide what sort of Europe before voting for it.
I favour a Europe of sovereign nation states acting in cooperation
on an issue by issue basis. Not a police superstate dictatorship like I think we are heading for.
Not impressed mate, your still a cunt.
The gruniad is giving snotty a good kicking today 90% of the comments are anti snot too.
The two unions are set to co-ordinate strikes in an attempt to wield greater muscle.
Mr Serwotka wrote: "The latest inflation figures show how vital it is that we secure pay increases which protect public servants from a cut in their living standards.
oh hum back to the 1970s how long before the snottwieler tries a legal pay rise limit?
If Gordon wasn't such a mong he would grant us a referendum. After all, what has he got to lose now that the Irish have supposedly shot the whole thing down in flames anyway? Might as well salvage some credibility from the wreckage.
Truth is he and his fuckwit Marxist friends know full well that we all hate socialists and will never vote for his kind again. So they invented this wizard wheeze where they posted all our power to some bunch of sleazy anti-democratic Marxist cock-suckers which includes such luminaries as Peter "I love cock and Hartlepool me" Mandelson. And the envelope was marked "Please do not return to sender". Cunts and arseholes the lot of them. Bunch of 6th form petty revolutionaries with their little plots and plans to stitch up democracy because we keep having the audacity to vote for people like Maggie Thatcher.
I'd like to beat them about the head with a blunt instrument until the whites of their brains spilled out over the lobby of the Palace of Westminster.
Why the hell do we put up with them? Rise up and beat the buggers to death I say! You know it makes sense.
Eh, would you be calling Gordon brown if he was black/asian/chinese with such gusto? No; you wouldn't dare you big brave shithouses but think its ok to call him a scotch cunt. Tossers and closet racists the lot of you!
love from Scotland x
".....would we be calling Gordon brown if he was black."
What the fuck do you mean man?
Take that deep fried mars bar out yer arse.
dear anon 9:41 , are you the new attack monkey ??
as far as i am aware the vulgar and lewd language used on here relates to his incompetance, lies, deceptions and the his political choice .
i mean i dont refer to mugabe as black ubercunt , although i am sure it would resonate with quite a few people , including his beaten/tortured/killed opponents
love RDS
The UK has effectively ratified the EU’s reform treaty - despite the decision by Irish voters to reject it.
A last-ditch bid to delay the process for four months was defeated by a margin of 93, and peers later gave the EU Amendment Bill a third reading.
Royal Assent is expected within 24 hours, as EU leaders are set to meet in Brussels to discuss the crisis caused by the Irish “No” vote.
The PM says the treaty must be ratified by all 27 EU states to be accepted.
During the Lords debate four protesters were removed from the public gallery after voicing their demands for a referendum.
Source BBC
Will the queen reject it?
Will she fuck, she is as big a trairor as them. not once has she spoken out regarding this treason.
Cameron will bullshit about the EU but he is in it up to his fucking neck.
We will be freed and when we are these traitors better fucking run as fast and as far as their fat legs and bloated bellies can carry them, because they will face trial they will eventualy be hunted down into their 80s like the Nazi war criminals they mimick.
House of lords! abolish this cespit of corrupt toadies now.
F*cking Lib Dems in the Lords - I thought they were abstaining on all this because it was the 'wrong question' - two faced pr*cks.
Anyhow, thanks for the first fiver - I have upped the budget. Almost 2000 impressions, about 25 clicks - mainly from the 'content network' rather than keywords (never seen that before!). As it links straight to the petitions site, I don't get any other feedback.
Only looking to raise £50
"Ratification" - that's a good word for what they are doing - ratting on the very people who put them in power.
I hope the snotgobbling cunt and his poxed cohorts rue the day they spat in the face the electorate.
Civil war is not something that is announced with fanfare, just something you wake up to one morning. That morning approaches.
Could I nominate Shirley Williams for the "come the revolution - first against hte wall" award based on her drivelling snivelling rant against "ignorant" proles who don't understand that the treaty is wonderful.
Two faced lying ugly CUNT.
I so enjoyed listening to her whilst sat stationery on the M6 tonight. Cow.
Anonymong @ 6.25,
Haven't answered because it is a question based on a false premise.
Anonymong @ 6.25,
Haven't answered because it is a question based on a false premise.
mitch said...
"Cheries book has only sold about 1600 copies ..."
It sold 3,877 copies in the first THREE DAYS and went on to top the best-seller hardback non-fiction list a week or two later.
In any case she is probably not worried about how many copies are sold because she had a massive advance (more than £1,000,000) from the publishers. The publishers are not worried because they are already in profit on it from serialisation rights.
I don't see any mention of ratification on Newsnight so-far, just some introspection about pay settlements. I think I've watched Newsnight for the last time now - the way al Jabeeba shapes the news focus borders on awareness engineering.
An why is it I can't stand Kirsty Wark? Is it 'cos she is Scottish, or is it because of something worse? Something darker, more alien, more veiled?
Anonymous said...
"Now back home from a 40 mile journey through three large towns and one City and only one non white face on route. Perhaps a thousand or more people passed, so what percentage is that?"
I don't believe it. Even in Southall and Brixton you see the occasional white face.
Anonymous said...
mitch said...
"Cheries book has only sold about 1600 copies ..."
It sold 3,877 copies in the first THREE DAYS and went on to top the best-seller hardback non-fiction list a week or two later.
In any case she is probably not worried about how many copies are sold because she had a massive advance (more than £1,000,000) from the publishers. The publishers are not worried because they are already in profit on it from serialisation rights.
June 18, 2008 10:59 PM
Thank you Cherie,
Even with all your money you cannot resist whoring yourself and your war criminal husband `toilets Tony` for a few pieces of silver.
How proud you must be knowing that you rival `photograph me with children` Brown for most hated cunt in Britain.
It's now up to David Davis to save us from EU hell.
Cameron is a fake, all gong and no dinner.
Well Guido, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us on the premise?
You can't be resident in both Dublin and London at the same time. Or is the false premise that you are incapable of this?
Why not admit that you were not entitled to vote in Ireland but you were still on the electoral roll and took advantage of it? Do you deny this?
Anonymong 11:26pm - Is that you Mandelson?
I don't give a shit what did or did not happen with Guido's vote. I do care that the Irish as a whole voted no to your precious constitution, but you are going to try to impose it anyway.
So cunt, what DO people have to do before you realise that you and your EU are NOT FUCKING WANTED!
Why is the Queen going to grant her Royal Assent to this accursed Treaty tomorrow, why doesn’t she see that it flies in the face of the clear wishes of the majority of the British people, why doesn’t she see that they are frustrated and angry that they are being denied the referendum that her loyal Government promised them in its manifesto, why doesn’t she see that her loyal Government are now actually scheming and conniving to circumvent the will of the British people that they are supposed to be representing.
In which case what is our Head of State for?
WHO’S SIDE IS SHE ON?
"I am very sorry for what I did in 2003 and 2004. I am very sorry for what I've done. I am also very happy that we failed, that it didn't work, especially now that I am here and I've met you all."
The CIA knew and approved, Spain agreed to it, Jack Straw was aware of the plan, the son of a former British PM was involved. What about Gordon? What about el Bruno, Snotgobbler Persuivant? The fact that it all went so disastrously wrong suggests, nay confirms that it must have received his most solemn blessing.
Shahnaz Pakravan's tennis coach said...
"And why is it I can't stand Kirsty Wark? Is it 'cos she is Scottish, or is it because of something worse? Something darker, more alien, more veiled?"
You are not wrong SPTC - to paraphrase Stanislav:-
"Mr Kirsty Wark, who is a thieving, grunting, hunchback, Jock transexual with hairy legs and a voice like a gorilla."
That and she is deeply in bed with Al-Beebera financially, and so is getting fucking rich telling us how we must think and vote. Talk about something of the night, or is it shite?
Royal Assent? You are fucking joking, are you not? Begone with you sirs, and take your fucking treaty, constitution or whatever you are fucking calling it today and get thee hence from my Christing palace. Guards!!!
Kirsty Wark, you are what Cilla Black morphed herself into after disappearing from the public eye. I claim my fiver - who knows, I might put it into my TV License kitty, though maybe not.
It's over 20K now - I can see it overtaking the stopblair petition. Even if it doesn't have any effect, I feel better for signing it & I hope it's giving Pennywise the Clown a sleepless night.
This world is no longer sane.
David Icke, of course, would say that the Queen's in on the act, part of that shadowy group of elite bankers and general rich people.
But he'd also say she's a lizard and I'm not sure you can have it both ways. She charmed half the population just to stick it to us now. A sort of fuck you to Charles too, I imagine. Deal with that! Shame. I thought our monarchy was in place to protect us from power-hungry politicians.
Still, if the price is right...
Back from a (smoke in) at the Wagon & Horses, I just had to check and the No vote was bang on 20,500 votes. The yes vote has however gained momentum. Brace yourselfs lads. Its upto 14 now. By my recconing thats about 1465 to 1. nocking te Paddys vte into the stand. peterson style.
I only point this out in case old snotbag is still up picking his boggys and wondering how much worse it can get. if your names on te no list be prepared for an erly morning phone call from a less than cheerful jock! Mind how you go! night all.
Word verification gbhzi
Gordon Brown Has Zero Idea?
First British woman killed in Afghanistan as four soldiers die in secret SAS mission
The first British woman was killed in action in Afghanistan in a blast that also claimed the lives of three other soldiers.
They were taking part in an operation east of Lashkar Gah in Helmand Province when their vehicle was caught in an explosion.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown said: 'They were in the most dangerous of jobs in the most difficult of circumstances.'
Thanks Gordon for helping to kill our women for nothing.
Is it vaguely possible that Guido withheld his vote in the Irish referendum?
Is this the non-scoop of the century?
Private eye said 1600 so fuck you !
Sorry to rip this from the Telegraph but it's one of the best pieces they have wrote in a long time and deserves to be read by a wider audience -
Gordon Brown is preparing to break the law over Ireland’s EU vote
Posted by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard on 16 Jun 2008 at 20:36
Tags: EU, Gordon Brown, Ireland, Lisbon Treaty
By their bullying treatment of Ireland, the powers that be in the European Union are openly threatening to breach the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.
Expulsion of Ireland is illegal
The British government is openly threatening to breach our own European Communities Act, which would prohibit ratification of any Treaty unless it was ratified by all other member states. Gordon Brown is preparing to break British law.
What does one do with a rogue regime that behaves in this fashion? Yes, you can make all kinds of arguments that the European Project has been broadly positive.
It steered Eastern Europe safely into port after the fall of Communism, when there could have been a drift into soft-fascist tendencies.
It has made Russia think twice about leaning on the Baltics too hard. You could credit Europe with breaking down economic barriers, although these barriers have come down all over the world, and they came down in Europe in the 19th century without need for anything like the Brussels apparatus.
Even if the all the claims made on behalf of EU are true, where does one stop and say a line cannot be crossed?
Reading the European press over the last couple of days has been revealing. The debate is in essence over whether or not Ireland should be a) required to vote a second time with some minor protocol attached b) be shunted aside into a second tier or c) be more or less kicked out of the Union altogether. Every one of these suggestions is either outrageous, or illegal.
The German foreign minister Steinmeier said Ireland should "temporarily" withdraw from the EU integration process.
If that is not an expulsion threat, I don't know what it is. Presumably Mr Steinmeier knows that Ireland is an integral part of the monetary union, so one can only conclude that he is willing to contemplate a partial disintegration of the euro.
You can see very quickly that this is a dangerous game. The next time anybody tells you that Germany would never let Spain, say, be forced out of the euro because Berlin has made such a huge political investment in European unity, tell them to read Mr Steinmeier comments. They reveal no such reflex of solidarity. I am pro-German, but not this evening.
The last three years have shown that the Lisbon Treaty is not necessary to carry out EU business. The machine has kept going just as before. It copes fine with 27 states.
(This is of course no surprise to those of us who witnessed the original drafting of this treaty - then the Constitution - and know perfectly well that it has almost nothing to do with "streamlining" the EU institutions, let alone removing the EU from the "nooks and crannies" of national life as originally proclaimed in the Laeken Declaration.
It was an attempt to lock in the structure of a European state - giving the Court of Justice vastly increased powers - before the new countries arrived from Eastern Europe, making any such gambit impossible.
The Brussels integrationist knew it was their last chance. They rolled the dice and lost when the French and the Dutch said no. They rolled again with Lisbon, and lost again last week. Now they are playing seriously dirty).
If the intentions were honest, the EU could simply accept the Irish verdict, recognise that this is not a useful exercise, and ditch the treaty. Almost none of the 500m million citizens would shed a tear. Life would go on.
Instead, Brussels, Paris, Berlin - and London, I am ashamed to say - are pressing ahead with reckless arrogance and stupidity.
The markets may not have reacted yet to Ireland's NO but the actions of the EU-elite are opening the way for a political showdown that will indeed have financial consequences.
As Italy's finance minister said over the weekend, Europe risks degenerating into "fascism" in the next economic downturn. Indeed it does. Its actions over Ireland already smack of fascism.
It will be resisted. The outpourings of fury in eurosceptic press/blogs in France (I have never felt so much at one with the French Socialists, or indeed the Dutch hard-Left) and in Italy (yes it exists, one Italian minister even congratulated the Irish) - not no mention Scandinavia, or the Czech Republic - lead me to suspect that the EU political class has misjudged.
It has got away with Monnet sleight of hand many times before. This time it has failed to notice how the ground is sliding away beneath its feet.
The French, Dutch, and Irish people have explicitly rejected this dishonest text. The British would have done so, and so would the Swedes, Danes, and Poles, if given a vote three years ago.
The argument that 4m Irish should not thwart the will of 500m people would be more compelling if it were remotely true.
But at least parliaments are ratifying the treaty by due constitutional process, so the legal formalities have until now been observed.
But the expulsion of Ireland is not legal. Any attempt to proceed without Irish compliance is a Putsch.
One cannot remain a member of a union that engages in putschs and scoffs at international treaty law, especially one that is about to create an EU supreme court (ECJ) with sweeping jurisdiction over all Union law - including justice - and that beyond appeal.
We may all have to tax out consciences very soon and decide whether to resist this Putsch by all possible means.
Shit, I wouldn't want to be the one to try and step on the Irish, trying to take away their freedom -fuck that!
"...... the favoured option being that Ireland, in return for some declaratory concessions, should stage a referendum rerun, perhaps next spring. Concessions might include assurance that Ireland would always have a European commissioner, for example, as well as declarations on the sanctity of Ireland's abortion ban, military neutrality, and sovereignty over taxation rates.
But Cowen, according to sources in Dublin, will tell his European partners that at this stage his government cannot countenance a second referendum.
"One of the main goals will be to calm the Europeans down and not inflame the situation either in the EU or back at home any further," said an Irish government source. "It will be made clear to the EU partners that it is politically impossible for Ireland to have a rerun."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/19/eu.france
Ignore us and we will blow you're fecking knee caps off so we will. To be sure.
@Anonymous said...
Well Guido, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us on the premise?
You can't be resident in both Dublin and London at the same time. Or is the false premise that you are incapable of this?
Why not admit that you were not entitled to vote in Ireland but you were still on the electoral roll and took advantage of it? Do you deny this?
//
As far as I know - and I may be talking out of may arse, reciprocal voting arrangements have been in place between the UK and the Republic for decades.
20712 to 15 this morning
I am of the opinion that the Lords passing the bill and Royal Assent today is meangingless.
EU rules state that the Irish rejection means the Treaty is dead. There is nothing to ratify legally.
Of course the ratification continues!
How much pork was paid to win the 42 day vote?
How much Eurodosh is promised to marginal Labour seats as the price for the further take-over of the UK?
History shows the pattern - the Pope was funding William of Orange and that the USSR was funding the main union opposition to Lloyd George.
So how much is being given, where, to which body and to who?
Surely, we know enough about NuLab spending at the expense of the majority Tory wealth creating areas - to have a glimpse of the game and the way it plays all the way from the UN to Beijing and Brussels?
Follow the dollar!
"Er, technically Northern Rock support is illegal and market distortion but if we ratify ...."
PMQs : Don't Just Shout Abuse at the Telly!
Great title though it occurred to me yesterday through an inadvertant typo that you could subtitle it:
'The Snooty and Snotty Show'
Re the constitution (don't give me any bollocks about 'It's a treaty'), Brenda has lost the plot, what's the point of having a monarchy if you have some Euro cunt as your president. You can't have a Queen and a fucking president, silly cow.
PS I am/was a monarchist, the thought of one T Blair as president should be enough to put anyone off the idea of a republic. Oh shit! Of course that's what we have just become. Doh!
Pass the Number 10 Petition to all your email connections, and let them know that waiting until the 23rd June is too late.
Dear Liz (hope that's not too informal given your change of status when the referendum is signed),
As you are going to do the signing thingy with the new EU constitution what are you going to do afterwards?
Obviously with Britain now a republic with a new President perhaps you should take a long deserved holiday. Your job is done.
Regards
An ex subject, now a citizen of the Euroviet Union.
Reciprocal voting rights
http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2007/04/irish-should-not-be-able-to-vote-in-uk.html
I rest my case. A little research, Mr. Anon, might I suggest, before venting?
god almighty -
whats the big issue with guido's vote ?
in a nutshell this is the crack-
he has a residence in ireland and would have been able to vote if he was there, and he would have voted no..
- but he wouldn't have had the chance as he is stuck here in london wearing a peckham rolex.
and ireland don't do postal votes.
simple. and please now feck off as its a non issue.
(If I am wrong please correct me)
Elby the Beserk said...
"As far as I know - and I may be talking out of may arse, reciprocal voting arrangements have been in place between the UK and the Republic for decades"
and
"A little research, Mr. Anon, might I suggest, before venting?"
You are indeed talking out of your arse (and your research is sadly lacking). Reciprocal voting arrangements exist for some types of election but only Irish citizens were eligible to vote in the Lisbon Treaty referendum.
Guido is being very coy about this but he was entitled to vote in the referendum because he is
• an Irish citizen and
• living in Ireland (nominally)
• on the Electoral Register
> I am of the opinion that the Lords passing the bill and Royal Assent today is meangingless.
This is a fairly assinine opinion.
If the parliaments of 26 countries vote in favour, and if some guarantees are offered to the Irish, they may reconsider. Only if a second country rejects it will the house of cards come down.
The Irish and Danes have revoted on issues before. It doesn't make incontrovertible sense that the will of a somewhat arbitrarily selected group of 100,000 people blocks a treaty for half a billion people whose parliaments have voted in favour of it.
If 27 people were asked for their vote in a room on a matter which required unanimity it would be perfectly rational to keep voting after one no vote and to take stock at the end. Pretending otherwise is simply foolish.
EU membership can easily be an election issue next time around. The UK can withdraw. Or introduce a written constitution which can't be amended except by referendum.
Seems many here want parliament to be sovereign except when they disagree with it.
All you have to do is give the Scots their independence then taxes will go down and Labour will never be re-elected. What's complicated about this? The so-called elite running the UK is a Scots cabal not "faceless bureaucrats" in Brussels.
What I find funny is all the claims that the Irish didn't have the treaty explained to them properly.
If governments don't explain fundamental constitutional changes when there is a referendum - WTF do they do when there isn't a referendum ??
Oh yes, of course - they try to sneak it through as quietly as they can get away with, like ours...
First rule a barister is taught for court:-
"Never ask a witness a question that you don't already know the answer to"
With the corolorary - "and don't ask a question if the answer doesn't support your case"
Is it any surprise that so many MPs are drawn from the legal industry?
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MPs Nicholas and Ann Winterton have just been found guilty of fraudulently claiming £66,000 for their mortgage-free London flat over the past 2 years. They were warned by Parliamentary officials after 1 year that what they were doing was against the rules but they carried on claiming.
The Committeee on Standards and Privileges have ruled that they are guilty but haven't insisted that they repay the £66,000.
I predict that the Spelman case will go the same way. They will rule that she broke the rules by claiming for her nanny on expenses but they will not impose any penalty on her fraudulent mis-use of taxpayers money.
The good news is, Labour won't survive the next election the party will implode and the Tories will declare the constitreaty dead.
All for nothing fascist labour scum, you followed Brown stuff and boy miliscum off the edge of a cliff - fucking delicious!
Just as nice - who the fuck is gonna want to employ an ex Labour MP with no hold on power?
warriormonk said...
"whats the big issue with guido's vote? ..... "he wouldn't have had the chance as he is stuck here in london wearing a peckham rolex and ireland don't do postal votes."
Ireland does allow postal votes but not to the same extent as in the UK.
People with a physical disabilty can register to vote by post. Maybe Guido could have convinced them that his Peckham Rolex amounted to a physical disablity.
Guido is being very coy about this but he was entitled to vote in the referendum because he is
• an Irish citizen and
• living in Ireland (nominally)
• on the Electoral Register
Sorry but this is nonsense. Guido is entitled to vote in an Irish referendum if he is living in Ireland. Irish people living overseas are not allowed to vote in Ireland. Prior to the last expansion of the EU, which is when I last checked this, it was the only country in the EU that didn't allow citizens a postal ballot. The reasons given by the dept. of foreign affairs were:
1. As non-residents expatriates do not pay taxes to the Irish govt.
2. There are more Irish people living outside the country than in it, therefore it would be unfair to allow them to vote on matters that would in most cases affect people living in the country.
This is quite understandable. It's a decision I, as an expatriate Irish citizen, respected and accepted. I could easily have gone to Ireland at any time and ensured that my name was on the electoral roll by giving my brother's address and showing my passport. However, it would be dishonest, sleazy and violation of the law.
Legally, one cannot be both resident and non-resident. I challenge Guido to come clean on his residence. If he is a UK resident for tax purposes then he is not resident in I