BBC Reporting Insults Irish Democracy
When the result came in yesterday Mark Mardell looked shocked and sounded exasperated. The BBC has continually been running this line in its reporting of Ireland’s historic vote on the Lisbon Treaty:
“Just over three million Irish voters are registered - in a European Union of 490 million people.”
The implication is clear. Those beastly Paddies are depriving everyone else in Europe of the benefits of the Lisbon Treaty. They want to convey the image of a minority running rough shod over every one else. The BBC fails to mention that Ireland is not depriving Europeans of their say. It is the only member state which gave its people a say on the matter. It is the other member states who are depriving their people of a say lest they give the wrong answer. In those states, like Britain, it is their legislatures who decide what is best and hang what the people feel.The BBC’s comparison is bogus because it is comparing an electorate with a population – many of whom will be young babes in arms who have no say anyway. A Scottish co-conspirator has taken time and trouble to tot up the legislators in the other member states so we can see the reality of who decides on our European future. 15 member states have unicameral legislatures:
| LEGISLATURE | MEMBERS |
| Austria | 245 |
| Bulgaria | 240 |
| Cyprus | 59 |
| Denmark | 179 |
| Estonia | 101 |
| Finland | 200 |
| Greece | 300 |
| Hungary | 386 |
| Latvia | 100 |
| Lithuania | 141 |
| Luxembourg | 60 |
| Malta | 69 |
| Portugal | 230 |
| Slovakia | 150 |
| Sweden | 349 |
| TOTAL | 2,809 |
| STATE | LOWER HOUSE | UPPER HOUSE | TOTAL |
| Belgium | 150 | 71 | 221 |
| Czech Republic | 200 | 81 | 281 |
| France | 577 | 321 | 898 |
| Germany | 613 | 69 | 682 |
| Italy | 630 | 315 | 945 |
| Netherlands | 150 | 75 | 225 |
| Poland | 460 | 100 | 560 |
| Romania | 332 | 137 | 469 |
| Slovenia | 90 | 40 | 130 |
| Spain | 350 | 264 | 614 |
| United Kingdom | 646 | 745 | 1,391 |
| | 6,416 | ||
In total there are a mere 9,225 people deciding the European future for 490 million people outside of Ireland.
The real comparison with Ireland is even far more dramatic and much less democratic than the image the BBC has been projecting….
The real comparison with Ireland is even far more dramatic and much less democratic than the image the BBC has been projecting….
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 213 Newer› Newest»A very good point.
Which also, incidentally, shows the UK to be top heavy with legislators. Germany with a much larger population seems to get by with less than half the number required to process the mounds of new UK laws.
Ouch - sore head after too many Guinnesses last night - but well worth it.
Totally right Guido - BBC reporting yesterday was a disgrace. They continued to say that turnout was 45% even after the official result was declared. Either wilful distortion or BBC hack too thick to look up the official referendum website.
The poor old political commentariate cannot cope at the moment
David Davis does something that the people all support and yearn for - ie standing up for your belief in public , and he's reported as a crazy guy
Now the Irish tell them what most people would like to say to the EU bureaucrats - fuck off my land and al beeb and the rest of the political class cannot cope
Hard times for them at the moment - the people not following the script
I hadn't realised just how many snouts there are in the Ermine trough.
what would lord reith have said ?
smug lying bastards - how a once great organisation has fallen
Some you anti-European integration bigots are so up yourselves that you are entirely convinced that the Irish told the EU to fuck off. Listening to one gobshite after another interpreting the results is sickening.
The Irish people didn't say FUCK OFF. They rejected the treaty. They did so for many reasons--if you actually listen. There wasn't a single reason, though the fact that it was poorly advocated by fuckers who admitted not having read it was a red flag up front.
They had specific concerns on a number of issues: abortion, taxation and neutrality among them.
These are all addressable issues, and I suspect that efforts will eventually be made in that direction IF Europe gets to a 26:1 situation, although I will be surprised if that is how things turn out.
The real agenda here for so many is simply hatred of the EU. You're sadly mistaken if you include the Irish in your bigotry.
Breaking news, Guido. The African Congress have appointed a "Democracy Envoy to the EU"
Reuters;
In his first statement, the African Congress's newly appointed Democracy Envoy, Mr Robert Mugabe, rails against the filmsy facade of democracy within the EU;
"Well, whut can ah seh abouht de recent develope-ments in de Eee Yoo? Ah am verry worried abouht de stetments ah am heerin'concerning de ignorin' uf
the will uf th' I-reesh peepul an' dat uf de rest uf der Eee Yoo. Dey, toogever wid de Frenge an' de Duts are de *onlee pepul* out uf narely 480 million who wuz allowed to vote for dis fuhndamental chenge in de way dey are guvund. Dis is quite deesgraceful. First de Frenge an' de Duts are
treeted wid contempt, an' now it is de I-reesh who are cast aside.
Ahm afred t' report that dis ees nod de furst tahm thut thees hus happened. De Eee Yoo hes a terreeble record in dis respec'. Ah rememba wen de Danish
peepul sed dey did not weesh to agree to the Massed-tricked treety. Dey wuz called donkeys an' med to vot again, until de Eee Yoo got eets de-sired result. Den de voting stopped.
De I-reesh also were med t' feel like donkeys efter de Neece Treety and med to vot again, until de Eee Yoo got eets de-sired result. Den de voting stopped.
But what most Africans cannot understend, is how most uf de peepul uf de Eee Yoo *get no vot at ahl* in dis verry import-tant matter.
On top of ahl uf dis, the functionin' uf de whole place in Brussels is a compleet farce, in de democratic terms. De electid membas of parly-ament is
just a load uf emptee suits which jus' nod dare heads like de Churchill Insurans doggy, while un-elected be-urocrats mek ahl de reel desissions abouht laws an' udder things, behind clos' door, which dictate de lives uf ahl the poor peepul uf de Eee Yoo.
An' ken yoo imajine ma surprise dis year, wen de cheeky divils seh "we wants to send election moni-tors" to *mah contree*, Zimbabwe?? Eet almost beggars believe!
Ah tink ah hev much work t' doo here"
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Given Labour's outrage that David Davis is 'wasting public money' by generating a by-election, shouldn't they be concerned about the time and money that would be wasted by ratifying a dead treaty?
pipe down 11:17am - why can't you trolls just accept that the popular vote says NO. No means no and you know that deep down. Just as you know the treaty would be rejected where ever it was put to a vote.
Ireland may not have said Fuck Off but I am, to you- FUCK OFF.
"The real agenda here for so many is simply hatred of the EU."
Right on! And we'll do anything we can to stop it in its tracks. In the 1975 referendum there was a narrow majority for a customs union, not for an unelected bureaucratic tyranny.
"The real agenda here for so many is simply hatred of the EU."
Spot on, mate. The EU project is nothing more than a long-term exercise in empire-building; moreover, it is undemocratic, authoritarian, unaccountable, corrupt and dishonest.
Lisbon is not simply about "streamlining decision-making" or making the EU more "democratic" or "accountable" - it is a coup d'etat.
I genuinely hope the entire edifice comes crashing down. We don't need it.
"The real agenda here for so many is simply hatred of the EU."
Too true! What's the difference between Mugabe and the EU?
Errr...There is no difference.
They both force you to keep voting if they don't get the right answer.
pro-treaty spastic,
there is only one gobshite on this blog.
you.
we detest the eu constitution because it is undemocratic and unaccountable.
surely even a retard like you can understand that.
what a cunt!
So the UK has more parliamentarians than any other European country. No surprise...
There aren't enough good ones to go around, hence the average quality of our MPs is so dismal.
We all know feckin' Pravda is full of communists, we all know the communist EUgh gives Pravda money, what the feck do think that money is for Guido.
30 pieces of silver for every traitorous cunt amongst them.
Mines a pint yer bastards!
Oh God! I'm so confused. I don't want to have to think for myself - at all - ever.
Please Mr Brown tax the arse off me, please Mr Robinson tell me what to think, please Mr Policeman hold me in a cell for 42 days.
Have the job for life Mr Brown - I cannot be arsed to vote again - ever. Have I mentioned that nice Polly Twatterbee yet?
WAKEY WAKEY PEOPLE!!
Vote no - vote them out - no more lies, sleaze, theft, deception.
They hold us in contempt, absolute contempt.
The best that can be said for our present political system is that it is slightly better here than it is in North Korea - FFS!
We demand honesty, openness and to be consulted. If you cannot offer us that then FUCK OFF, FUCK OFF now. You ignore us at your peril.
The BBC was peddling the euro -enthusiast line from pretty early on yesterday in its News Channel as soon as it was obvious that the "No Campaign" had it in the bag. Their line being that the Irish have wrecked the EU and that a small country of 3 million had basically thwarted the combined will of 490 million and that by suggestion there would be unspecified "dire consequences" but that the UK government and our PM "was continuing to ratify the treaty" regardless of the Irish trying to wreck the process(subtext: The sheer audacity of the common people daring to reject this Treaty is breathtaking).
This is nothing new fron the BBC which peddles its left of centre agenda. Its news coverage on all items is either severely edited, selective or totally ignores items not helpful to the "left wing elite" . The BBC lost its reputation for unbiased reporting of news a long long time ago. It's generally a propaganda tool for "the establishment" and is long overdue for reform.
The role of the Corpoation is to educate and inform, who mentioned brainwashing ?
Like the late George Best, Nigel Kennedy is an erratic genius, a British virtuoso, a maestro as accomplished and creative in Johannes Sebastian Bach as in James Marshall Hendrix.
Genuinely perplexed at how freedom is being beasted, here, in Elgarland, happy to step outside his own area of expertise, raise his own unpolished, non-broadcasterly voice in protest, a precious flower, unshaven and dishevelled as, often, are the truly Godly and some fuckwit on Jock Neil's, tedious, self-congatulatory rubbish programme, takes a man who can fill auditoria all over the globe and sets him down on the sofa with the most ignorant,obnoxious, venal, corrupting, rabble-rousing, useless, mouthy fuckpig in British media; a lardy, gabshite, frothing, drunken cunt, long overdue a heart attack, proud of his part in degrading the standard of public discourse, a complete fucking gross embarrassment not just to the nation but to humanity. Kelvin McCunt, like Jock himself, enriched by chewing on Rupert Murdoch's foreskin, getting the little hard bits out from round Rupe's poxed-up, cancerous, Aussie arsehole, whilst casting himself ludicrously, as Everyman, as John Bull, the fucking horrible bastard.
Jesus fucking wept. We don't produce too many proper world class artists but Kennedy, for all his punk affectation, is one of them; obviously it counts for nothing with the ill-mannered cocksucker, McCunt, and less with Jock, happier taking the political temperature with raucous, braying chums more of his own calibre, Peter Stringfellow, Ross Kemp - the fearless East End warrior, beaten up by his Mrs, Rebekka Wade - and fellow Murdochite, Kelvin. Kennedy's people need sacking.
When he was driving the Jocksman into the ground, up in bonny Edinburgh, Neil employed people to clear the poor from his path, can't stand the poor, y'see, being filthy rich; everyone, espouses Neil, can suck the Murdoch knob and walk away with millions in shares.
Warren Beatty made a memorable assault on political tv journalists in an under-rated film, Bullman, I think, in which an eccentric Presidential candidate on one of those phoney US TV debate programmes, says, effectively, c'mon, gentlemen, this is bullshit, isn't it, you are a load of middle-aged, white millionaires asking us load of middle-aged white millionaires a load of bullshit questions, nothing happening here tonight, nothing to see here, just a load of rich people, bullshitting; rather like the BBC
For that is Neil and his stooges; just a load of rich people, bullshitting; Jock Neil, already fabulously wealthy, extracting every last halfpenny from the licensepayer. Look at me, aren't I clever, he smirks, grinding out his lame jokes, feigning affinity with the citizen, as Joe Public, watching at home, wipes the latest shit-barrage from his face.
The Thalidomide expose, forty years ago, was a good scoop by Neil at the Sunday Times but it doesn't mean he has to dominate the public service broadcaster until he fucking well dies in the arms of some nightclub totty, a quarter his age. Is there really no-one else, less smirky, less embedded in the celebrity circuit, more courageous, better informed, less, how shall we say, showbiz? Jock Neil should get a BAFTA, for light entertainment, that's what he is, that's what he does.
And as for Kelvin McCunt and the BBC, no-one at the Corporation has yet raised the propriety of this bulging, redfaced, racist oaf being funded by a US citizen in a UK election Are there no issues of principle here (no point raising questions of legality when talking of Mark Thompson's boys and girls) why have the self-fallating Mr Robinson and the ludicrous twittering caricature Mr Paxman not raised this most obvious concern ? Can any foreign media mogul launch his candidates in our election ? The principle is clearly up for debate and would be even if Billy Bunter McCunt wasn't a repulsive nutter. One thing for Jock Three Pensions Salmond, up in his pretend government Edinburgh to appoint Donald Trump his Minister for Local Democracy but do we want the shitbag Murdoch putting up candidates, here, backed with millions of his untaxed pounds. BBC's missed this one, anxious as it is to rubbish Basher Davies and Naughty, Selfish, Unco-operative Paddy
From the instant that the Irish answer became apparent the BBC has shamelessly spun it as both perverse and anti-democratic, so predictable that it has almost been comforting to see its giants of journalism spewing out exactly what they are told Propaganda Central.
Google, friends, Guido's archive for Dennis on the TV license, they can't touch you, they can't come into your house, these ogres off the TV advert are a private company, fuck 'em. Paying the license tax to an organisation which is so evidently an enemy of the people is an act at best of irresponsibility and at worst of treachery. This ain't Jackanory, this is the wealthy, self-protecting, unaccountable, insidiously fascist media de nos jours. And fuck the Sun, too.
love from stanislav
Ok, my estimate of 8000 wasn't far off.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile/?userid=11710798
Nick Farage was making the same point on the BBC news - it is good to have a good rebuttal of the BBC line (which was repeated endlessly by the girl in europe on news 24) but she also claimed a turnout in the forties, ratehr than the rather impressive 50+) Odd that that should be wrong when it was freely availabile on the irish referendum website...
Spot on, Guido.
What makes it even scarier is that many of those 9,225 people have been elected via proportional representation, meaning they aren't directly accountable to voters and generally can't be booted out by a populace that's tired of them.
God Bless the Irish!!
On another note: What a pathetic hypocritical rag the Sun is, and what a snivelling little turd Kelvin Mackenzie is. They both claim to speak for traditional British values and slag off the state Britain has come to under Labour but they are now taking on the one man, David Davis, who is ready to fight back against all that has gone wrong in our country.
The Sun and it's stooge Mackenzie are slimy hypocrites who are doing Bottler Brown's dirty work for them.
I hope all Sun readers realise this and boycott the paper until it changes it's stance.
The anti-Sun campaign will start if and when Mackenzie announces he is standing.
After the Dutch and the French rejected the EU Constitution, they bounced back with the Lisbon Treaty.
Now that has been rejected by the Irish, they will attempt to find another way to pursue their aim of a federal Europe.
My guess is that they will try to find a way to ratify the treaty. That would be illegal, but they probably don't care about that any more than they care about democracy.
Another BBC-style comparitive might be that their (I guess) less than 5,000 editors and producers at dictate the content of the programming on behalf of 60,000,000 people, without any opportunity for those people to vote against them or have any real say.
BTW - have you seen the BBC headlines on David Davis?
"Davis issues Brown 'fight' plea "
I wonder why they said 'plea' instead of 'demand' or similar?
And
"Davis denies quitting 'madness' "
What does that mean - are they suggesting he is 'still mad' - then as he was making a statement not rebutting an aqusation why are the suggesting that he needs to 'deny' anything?
The BBC are beyond salvation, and they know it - they have nothing more to lose, as it will all be gone soon anyway.
"The anti-Sun campaign will start if and when Mackenzie announces he is standing.
June 14, 2008 12:04 PM"
did you see that gobshite Mackenzie on Question Time this week?
what a slimey ,fascist cunt.
cant wait for Basher to punch his fucking head in.
Isn't it about time we had a government that wants to be soverign over the UK ?
If these clowns don't trust themselves with our soverignty, then why the f*ck should we?
Funny, i thought each country in the EU had equal weight and it was a decision that 27 out of 27 had to agree. Not, if 1 disagrees then we'll just keep reruning the vote until they do. Did i miss a change in the rules. This really should demonstrate that the EU is going to do what it damn well pleases and all you small countries take notice, this is what the EU thinks of your participation.
Don't beat about the bush, Stan. Tell us what you really think!
LOL! Best read of the week, as usual.
Long Live Ireland! Three Cheers for Davis! Sod the BBC.
I found Mark Mardell playing the "Thick Paddy" card yesterday to be even more insulting than their totally biased coverage.
I can't imagine them playing any other racial stereotype card, can you?
Of course the reason why the vote of a few Paddies affects all Europe is that only the Paddies were allowed a vote.
Why?
Because only the thick Micks wrote their constitution in such a way that it could not be hijacked by the Eurocrats.
eu enthusiast,
you are a schizophrenic cunt.
take your propagandist shit elsewhere you spastic.
fucking hell, these pro-treaty traitors are getting desperate, aren't they?
the new line is, let's be reasonable.
cunts like the eu enthusiast turncoat will be lucky if they don't end up dangling from a lampost.
Guido,
Not only this but on the BBC Homepage, in the story Irish Say No to the EU. There is a line towards the end which says that It was not only the usual SUSPECTS that voted NO.
So the BBC have labelled those who would vote NO as SUSPECTS!!!!
That shows impartiality does it not!
In the real World the directorate of an organistion which allowed corruption to breed to endemic proportions, would be sacked. Further, were that corruption to come to the attention of its examiners who found themselves unable to sign off the audit, there might well be posecutions for fraud. And certainly no-one in their right mind would invest in that organisation in those circumstances.
But Brussels is not of the real World. Despite acres of evidence and reams of proofs of EU malfeasance the British Gov't, the stewards of our capital, pour £ Billions down its ever wider throat. The idea that we might in the short term, have some redress for this fiscal misnanagement is of course ludicrous.
Unfortunately, the monster's avarice is only equalled by its appetite for power. In the last 24hours have seen what that means. Despite the clearest rule- that all 27 countries must agree and ratify Lisbon- should any one not, then Lisbon is dead- despite that they carry on. They demand that the remiining 8 continue the ratification process. Barosso excaoms "the treaty is alive". To our eternal embarresment our Gov't goes along and intends to complete the ratification process with all the pomp of Parliament, when it can never become leagal.
Anyone for charades?
There can be no clearer indication of where the EU project is taking us than this.
"Fucka da rules. We only have rules for you. We dona hava no rules for us. Ze Irish in da rules? Fucka de Irish. We changa da fukin rules."
"Ve alvays knew ze Irish are thick as pigshit, osevise zey vould haff sed yavol. Zey vill change zer minds and schnel."
"Non, non, NON? They are cretins! Get them out- we dont want them anyway. Ungrateful cunts."
Our leaders speak with the same voice- " It doesnt matter what they think, or what you think. I'm right, I'm Gordon Brown"
RTE are reporting that listeners are getting mightily pissed off with the Eurocrats ignoring their No vote.
Thank you Ireland - Now what about the Czechs ?
The Czechs are the only nation so far to come out and say ratification will stop, because with ireland it the treaty is dead.
If they stick with this line, I look forward to celebrating with as much Czech larger as I had Guinness last night :*)
Meanwhile (I am not a racist but...) Isn't Milliband the child of immigrants to the UK, and aren't his adopted chidren immigrants to the UK too... Just what commitment does he actually have to the UK ?
Perhaps, Guido, we should ask the Hillsborough Victims Group if they would like to follow McKenzie around. That would frighte the life out of him.
OR any Liverpudlian group.
I just want the Australian/American Owner of all he surveys to get a mighty KICK IN THE BALLS from true English people. Who the hell does he think he is attempting to run this country.
The SUN says it all in their editorial today WE HAVE BACKED BROWN THROUGH THICK AND THIN!!!!
People must now see the sun as labour toilet paper.
What else do you expect from the BBC News, the official propanda arm of ULab? Just take a look at the cosy relationships between senior BBC News people and Labour hierarchy.
They don't give a toss for democracy. Their only aim is for ULab to remain in power and their 'celeb' journalists to coin in ridiculous salaries as reward.
We need to really work at getting the BBC to provide a proper news service - with editors who don't just spout the lines given to them by the establishment.
Mardell and Robinson are puppets with no desire to post/report other than the lines they are provided with by spin-meisters
The last few days have pretty much decided me against ever watching BBC news again
Democracy, my ass, its like those quiz shows that they keep giving hints to the correct answer and wait until they say it. The EU is not democratic or else it would have come out today and said, we respect the irish decision, the Lisbon treaty is over. The small countries should think of this and say, well they don't give a stuff about what they think, France and Germany are running the show and what they say obviously goes these days.
more utter garbage from the BBC
quote:
But Thursday's No vote was more than the usual anti-European suspects, our correspondent says.
Plan C is obviously - the remaining 26 will continue to ratify(although the Czech PM isn't reading from the same script as he has stated that his country cannot continue the ratification process in view of the Irish rejection. No doubt he'll be leant on next week and at the same time offered a nice big juicy EU subsidy carrot for the Czechs) which seems from Sarkozy's latest statement to be the case. Once the treaty has been ratified by all the other member states(apart from Ireland) the EU will give Ireland an option to either hold another referendum and that this time the answer will be yes or otherwise they will be left behind whilst all the other states go onwards and by the way Ireland can kiss good bye to any subsidies from the EU.
Democracy unless the electorate give the "correct answer" is not an aption in the EU as Ireland will no doubt discover over the next few months
of the just over 9000 who had votes in their respective parliaments how many voted in favour of the treaty and how many against ?
could be even less than than 9000 railroading ,sorry , democratically deciding for 5oo million plus.
Mackenzie and the Sun are going to have a hard time if that tosser stands against Davis. I suspect it would be a very bad business move for Murdoch if he fought on behalf of that totally discredited bastard Brown against man-of-the-people David Davis.
I'm looking forward to a nationwide boycott of that crappy NuLabour rag.
Agree with Anon 12.13
BBC were playing the thick Paddy card.
They stopped several people in the street who said they voted no because they couldn't understand the document.
Who could, by the way? And who would vote yes without reading all of it?
I was watching News24 (as I still call it) as the news broke. There was Jane Hill - a newsreader I normally like - telling us all about the Irish results as if she were at a funeral. Her brows were furrowed, her tone was sombre, and concern for the future of the world's unborn children dripped from every syllable. She couldn't have made her own feeling plainer if she had put a placard on her head saying "Stupid Paddies Ruin It For Eveyone". It was a disgraceful example of reporting the facts while pushing an opinion. I was anticipating something like this from the BBC, but even so I was staggered. I hope the Tories will conduct a root and branch overhaul of the BBC when they get in, and that heads (even pretty ones like Jane's) will roll - a long way.
You don't understand, we have to support our masters in the EU or they'll have us sent to BBC Jockland or worse Jersey.
We are only obeying orders!
Eurobeeb's reporting was a fucking patronising disgrace. They led the piece with a vox pop showing a person saying the reason they voted against it was that they "didn't understand it."
And, just to reinforce the patronising line that the old bog trotters are too thick to get it, they had another couple of voters saying the same thing later in the report.
Fucking cheek - they'd have never DARED insinuate such things if this was an issue involving other, more sacred members of the "community", you know, the ones favoured by our dear, unbiased BBC.
The fact is our Irish brothers and sisters have stuck it to the EU, in a way that Snotgobbler has denierd us, and as such they must now be demonised by the Beeb, and worse, patronised as being too thick to understand how wonderful the treaty really is.
Privatise the BBC so we can purge those useless commies and limp leftie Euroslaves.
If Gerry and Martin have any spare plastic lying around anywhere there is a nice oddly shaped building in the middle of Brussels which could do with an Irish make-over.
Oh dear the wheels are coming off for the EUBBC.
The Irish vote NO, Davis calls corrupt Snotty McTwats bluff on bribing MP's and the public are in uproar.
Labour are facing wipeout at the next election (if they make it that far) and the tanker drivers are on strike
The end for Labour is nigh
Brilliant!
Thickas - you must still be pissed, taking a pop at eu enthusiast, he's on our side FFS.
Yuo really must read more of the post than the name, you bring thick thieves into disrepute.
I raised this issue yesterday on the BBC blogs too, because it was so obviously a total distortion of the situation.
The BBC are using a Gordon Brown kind of meaningless statistic to try and convince people that the Irish are evil people who are trying to destroy democracy, and that only labour can save us by forcing through the treaty regardless of the Irish vote.
The BBC have been so incredibly biased with this, and with the David Davis story, that they've totally broken all their own rules about fair reporting as far as I can see.
It's not the Irish government/people's fault that no other country had the democratic backbone to put the vote to their own respective people.
If the people of all EU countries were given a vote then it'd be more like 200 million "no" votes rather than a few thousand.
Over 50% of people who were asked to vote, voted "no"; that's democracy. If other countries don't want to get involved in democracy then they can't shout "foul" when one member does.
The BBC, Labour, and EU attitude/reporting in this is mind-blowingly corrupt/misleading.
Wait now, lads...
The Czechs may yet win the day....
'Czech president Vaclav Klaus, who is supported by the country's largest political party, called the Irish referendum vote a "victory of freedom and reason" and said "ratification cannot continue".
His view was echoed in the Czech senate. Premysl Sobotka, Czech senate chairman, also said there was "no sense" continuing with ratification, according to the agency.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepublic/2128391/EU-referendum-Czech-president-says-Lisbon-Treaty-project-is-over.html
The Eu is just mad because the Irish have spoilt their party!
There was the MEPs strutting around with dilutions of grandeur, spending money like there’s no tomorrow & making themselves busy by thinking of new ways to control our lives & then BANG! The parties over!
The Irish voted no like others twice already but the arrogant “elite politicians”, as they’re called by some! Just cant/wont take no for an answer. This is VERY worrying! The EU seems no better than an invading force who wants complete dominance, but we the public cant fight it because our MPs have done some sort of deal! Probably a big pension pay out, and so we the public not only have to suffer this new self imposed unelected master but pay for the privilege as well!!
Guido! You make a good point that less than ten thousand people are set to rule over nearly five hundred million, I suppose the few ruling many is the rule really, but surely the difference is that, we the people elected others to rule us & in other countries where people cant vote for who rules them, I think we call that a dictatorship!!
The BBC can report the vote in their biased way & it will be seen to be just that!
If the BBC feel good making out that many no voters didn’t understand what they were voting for then so be it! I think people knew enough!
I wonder if other things came into this EU vote like!
The EU is not only a place for business but a place to melt together all religions & cultures! I have to wonder how this going to work! What is the EU dominating culture & religion going to be? What about language!
I think I’m correct in saying that Labours original architect of our multicultural life said that “for a multicultural life to work the society must be secular”. Um!
If the EU is going to become one big melting pot for the people living in it then surly the same must apply to the politicians running it, there will be no difference in the outlook of the MEPs because the EU will be uniformed, coherent, wont it?! Because these elite politicians will be speaking for all people, I believe they will have to be the world’s best jugulars to do the balancing act they will have to perform so as to not upset so many different religions & cultures! But then maybe they won’t!
The elite EU crew members are set to show their complete contempt not only for the Irish vote by carrying on with ratification but for the millions of people who thought that a fair vote to end something meant just that!
We can clearly see that when it comes to the Eu, the EU doesn’t play fair! And this is just the start!
What more needs to be said?
You should have watched Channel 4 news.
They went with the 'only Ireland were allowed a vote,they voted no, so shouldn't the treaty be dead' line.
Much much better reporting.
re: anonymous: June 14, 2008 12:51 PM
me again; apologies but I got it wrong; it was sky's blog that I made my post on yesterday about the 1% misleading statistic because they were making the same false comparisons and using the same approach.
I would post on the bbc too but they'd just block it so I can't be arsed.
http://adamboulton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/irish-ayes-are.html
Just found this on the answerphone - obviously a wrong number:
Hello, h-hello - hi - er Rupert -er Mr Murdoch er David er Dave here - Cameron.
Look, so sorry to call you like this just wanted to apologise most profusely for the actions of Davis. I mean, I had no idea he was a man of principle. Shocked me to the core. Golly gosh, worse than wearing garlic and waving a cross about.
Anyway, I've plugged the spot with plugger Grieve and am pretty sure this won't come to much but if it does I really appreciate you sorting Kelvin to fight it for us. If he does well, I will make him Baron of Bath
I have had a word with a few party worthies who have put the boot in and I hope you saw my unblinking statement to camera pledging support for Davis. The things we have to do and say to the great unwashed! How the BBC spins everything like it does to keep them all confused - it's truly incredible! I have promised to keep Baroso happy as you directed, and I can promise that we keep it all spinning along, protesting profusely of course! I will soon have my clones for MEPs.
We will soon, I promise be back on script, and when it's my turn I am sure you are going to give me a go at PM.
Look, one other favour. Can you ask the picture editor to keep my parting on the right until I can make my mind up. Toodle-pip!
You are so right Mark Mardell was probably surprised because he had to do some work instead of his blog Crick was likewise carrying his Labour baton no answers to last Friday's shambles
Soon they will sell Crick dolls called Nancy that can dance to the BBC /labour tune "I'll do Anything "
HH
David Davis constituency info (just had an email from them)
1) Email address “conservative@haltemprice.karoo.co.uk”
2) Cheques to “H&H CA fighting fund”
3) Address “Haltemprice & Howden Conservatives at 32, Main Street, Willerby, Hull. HU10 6BU”
4) Campaign website will be up on Monday.
On this morning's Today, Jim Murphy, who combines the dual roles of Minister for Europe and Thick Cunt for all the World, was ripped to pieces by John Humprys.
Murphy was incredibly stupid, deranged and unconvincing. His closing argument was that the EU is unpopular because it does not have enough impact on peoples' lives. I know it's hard to believe, so don't take my word for it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7454000/7454469.stm
Dear Mister Mardell and other Beeboids.
So the Oirish are thick cunts, Eh!
A little word in your shell-like.
Us Oirish, you see, are everywhere, so you need not be after having to come over here for us to kick your twats.
The biased BBC receives funding from the EU.
Lets not be surprised, the BBC are working FOR the EU after all!, its only a matter of time now before it changes its name to the EUBC, it may aswell already do so.
The BBC wishes to be to the EUSSR what the PRAVDA were to the EU's predecessor, the USSR.
I have no problem with the EUSSR Constitreaty, let them all have it!, who cares!, just so long as England is OUT of the EU Dictatorship.
It's on days like this I wish I had been born in Ireland...
Not reported in Britain, German ratification is made uncertain after Ireland's NO.
In Italy the Northern League, a key part of the governing coalition, is demanding a referendum on Lisbon Treaty.
The German story here
BBC also kept repeating that Irish turnout was only 45%, the 'error' replicated by the Telegraph.
Actually it was 53 and a bit %, as pointed out on www.eureferendum.blogspot.com
Here a few links that used to highlight how the BBC are inbed with the EUSSR financially, ever so 'funny' how both links have 'died.
http://eurealitshome.com/blog/archives/category/bbc/
http://eurealitshome.com/blog/?p=13
I see Liberal Democrat Ed Davey is saying that it is anti-European to reject Lisbon.
LibDem Vice
Should he now call himself an Illiberal Autocrat?
"ratifying a dead treaty" makes it sounds like rats are clambering all over a corpse.
Hang on a mo' - rats ARE clambering all over a corpse!
Brown, you are a Nazi.
We now see the full scale of our governments disgust for us.
Luckily with the fuel crisis, food prices, mob mentality, citizens skilled in killing and the army out if the country we have a gounding for a revolution.
Keep a note of all traitors to us and those that have died protecting our rights. BBC, Government, Local Councils, Common Purpose - we're coming for you.
We must continue to say NO NO NO, no more intergration, interference, one size fits all politics.
"Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them directly ...."
- V.Giscard D'Estaing, 14 June 2007
Cunts!
Any news of Mrs Dale and the nuptuals ?
Well you've learnt something from the Brits - milk a place dry, then refuse to have anything to do with it.
"Anonymous said...
I see Liberal Democrat Ed Davey is saying that it is anti-European to reject Lisbon.
LibDem Vice
Should he now call himself an Illiberal Autocrat?
June 14, 2008 1:41 PM"
Fine.
Any name will do.
Anti-European.
Pro-democracy.
Anti-Imperialist.
Pro-Internationalism
Anti-Totalitarian.
Pro-Liberty.
Whatever.
Just so long as the cunts listen to the sound of MY VOTE hitting the bottom of the ballot box.
Sometimes, death is too fucking good for the scum.
Agree with Bill Quango MP at 1.02pm
Watched C4 and they got a labour woman (Not government) to agree that the EU has a problem with democracy. i'll try and get it on youtube.
Malta - 69 legislature member? That makes their stature about equivalent to an English Parish councillor...
all this criticism of the Irish, serves Brussels right if they wake up one morning to find the whole poxy city badly tarmaced all over and a fucking great bill through the letterbox.
Have to agree about the BBC showing prolonged biased reporting on the Irish vote result.
I've read quite a few complaints here about BBC bias, but I've never found it so blatant until now - also I have noticed the BBC's Daily Politics seems to have taken a noticable pro-EU, pro-Labour stance. Jenny did not 'appreciate' UKIP but I did not find the coverage unduly biased - until now. Daily P. going down the pan?
What think you UKIP Webmaster?
P.S. Miliband, Gordon, give us OUR voice on this matter.
The BBC used to be a great institution. No longer.
It depends for its income largely on the licence fee. You must pay them £139.50 a year if you receive real-time TV broadcasts of any description, whether from them or anybody else.
Curiously enough, this itself is in contravention of the European Convention on Human Rights: the BBC is interfering with your right to receive information. So far, despite a couple of low-profile cases, nothing has been done about this. Possibly some private, quid pro quo, arrangement is in force between the BBC and the European Commission -- who knows? It would certainly explain the BBC's hysterically pro-Europe bias.
Anyhoo, the simple answer to the BBC's shite is simply not to pay the telly tax. It's quite easy to do. Full info at www.tvlicensing.biz.
If you want to stay legal, the best option is to get rid of your set. Try it -- it's wonderfully liberating!
P.S. Stan -- "the little hard bits [out from round Rupe's poxed-up, cancerous, Aussie arsehole]" ... for future reference, the term is "dingleberries".
P.P.S. Stan -- if you got rid of your telly you would be spared the sight of such rabid, fat, arrogant slimeballs as Kelvin "His Master's Voice" McKenzie.
The BBC is going to be cut in half over the next 5 years. They know it and that's why they jump with glee when the smallest upset happens to the Tories. Cutting them in half is not far enough - by half. Rubbing them off the face of the earth is the only way forward.
The EU has not encouraged any country to hold a referenum. Now that the Irish have held one they are morally bound to stick to it.
If they encouraged all countries to hold referendums and the Irish were the only ones who voted no then the Irish would still have a legal (if not sensitive moral) grounds.
Calling the EU undemocratic is paying them a compliment. They are simply facist - and need to be called that.
Dictionary.com defines facism as follows [I have removed the reference to terror and racism - but semantics ring true].
"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through censorship."
I having nothing wrong with a EU Government, just not a FACIST one.
BB fucking C?
Very poor sound quality in my opinion.
Should stick their mikes in the correct orifice.
The thought of going back to the original idea, having a custom tarif free common market, and saving ourselves loads of billions of euros on porkers' salaries, and superflous 'elf n' safety legislation, is very appealing.
We would probably all go with that, if some politician was smart enough to suggest it.
I think the French are really annoyed because 'Le President' had been saving up a whole host of Federal nasties to announce until after the Irish had been lulled/conned into voting Yes.
Tough-titty for Sarko!
Are any other EU governments feeling the wrath of the voter?
In total there are a mere 9,225 people deciding the European future for 490 million people outside of Ireland.
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It is infact 9,225 real people of all political and class backgrounds democratically deciding the future for those not given a voice over a small but super greedy fascisc political cabal none of whom have a mandate from the people to rule over a council toilet let along independant nations and people.
How will the BBC cover the march from Haltemprice to Westminster when millions line the route to cheer David Davis on his way after his re-election?
Headlines like "Traffic chaos" and quote ministers about the "irresponsibility causing delays to vital service"
Will Eire's 'Jabba the Hut' stand up for the Irish people in the forthcoming EU cat fight?
This whole problem would not occur in Switzerland - with its ingrained tradition of direct democracy. But then again, the Swiss have been wise enough to keep out of the EU...