Haven't We Bin Here Before?
Gordon says he is listening. He is listening to the people of Britain. What has he heard? Cut stealth taxes? Restore the great pension grab which wrecked Britain's pension system? Abandon the wasteful ID Cards plan? Drop 42-days detention without trial? No.
He is going to drop plans for local bin taxes. Was that really what the people of Britain wanted most? Hold on a second, who had the rubbish idea for bin taxes in the first place?
It is hardly a major tax break - the cost was expected to be £50 per annum. Hang on another second, he has already said he wasn't going to go ahead with bin taxes last October! What a con! He has already U-turned on this...
Hat-tip: Sam Coates
He is going to drop plans for local bin taxes. Was that really what the people of Britain wanted most? Hold on a second, who had the rubbish idea for bin taxes in the first place?
It is hardly a major tax break - the cost was expected to be £50 per annum. Hang on another second, he has already said he wasn't going to go ahead with bin taxes last October! What a con! He has already U-turned on this...
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The NewLab experiment in running the UK with middle-brow, middle class liberals and a smattering of the old Left has failed. It's over.
So, what happens for the next two years?
If this is a double-U (W?) turn does that mean he is, in fact, going to impose local bin taxes?
What a cunt. Quit, now!
Perhaps a fortnight down a smelly alleyway before being collected (bu only if the Elfin Safety Cleective approve the terrain) would focus McCyclop's Vision For Britain : Waste Collection - revert to weekly??? Or do the over-taxed householders have to stuff feral rats up your McCavity to make you understand that lurching backwrds in time towards the worst public hygiene practices are not the best of ideas???
Perhaps recycling is a good idea - let's keep recycling our favourite questions! i.e.' When will you stop taxing us on everything you can think of?' or 'When do we get a decent deal about anything?' or even 'How about chucking out all those D Notices and let the clean whiff of fresh air upon your grey hide???"
Somehow, I suspect he won't listen...
It's not a u-turn anyway, as local councils will just raise council tax by the amount they would have charged for the bin tax.
So like most NuLabour stuff, the lie is in the details.
Anyone checked to see if any bad news was leaked under the guise the local election results?
Raybond, Coventry
Guido. Before criticising the bin tax look very carefully at the decision by the EU to fine all and sundry if they fail to reach certain recycling targets by 2013. The bin tax was and is an attempt to avoid these fines. Already too many local authorities are so far behind that fines are a distinct possibility. It takes at least 6 years for a recycling plant to be built and up and running. What ever happens if we don't increase our recycing the result for some could be increased council tax and cuts in services in order to finance the fine regime.
"What a con! He has already U-turned on this."
Ah, but since we didn't believe it then he's giving us a another chance to not believe it now.
The estimated cost of an ID card is £300 per person (2005 estimates). I do not know the minimum age for compulsory ID cards, but I will guess 12yrs of age.
So that means a couple with 3 children will have to fork out £1,500 for their cards, they will also have to take time off work and school to get their biometrics taken and ID's proven (which in itself sounds rather difficult), so the total cost may be approaching £2,000 for that family.
At present that family may well be in favour of ID cards, I doubt they will be when it is time to cough up the readies or face fines/inprisonment. Then there are the ongoing costs of replacing the cards when they get lost.
I think like the 10p tax rate, ID cards are a ticking time bomb, waiting for people to face the actual cost in their pockets and wallets.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7384394.stm
says it will still go ahead , so he U turned , then U turned and U turned again, urgh sounds like my motorcycle CBT years ago...
Typical Gordon trick. He thinks people won’t notice must think we are a bunch of idiots. When you do things on the sly so often sooner or later you are going to be found out. His problem now is that the public don’t trust him anymore. They are fed up with being tricked by him. Tosser
The Country is broke. This is the proof. He cannot do anything else. Otherwise he would be following Hilary Clinton's following of McCain on a petrol tax holiday!
I'll fucking fly my plane into that cunt before I pay rubbish tax on top of all the other rubbish fucking tax I pay.
Fucking rubbish infidel!
I think like the 10p tax rate, ID cards are a ticking time bomb, waiting for people to face the actual cost in their pockets and wallets.
I think Brown Out could actually stem the bleeding if he decided to back down on id cards. Likewise a referendum, where the government remained neutral (to avoid being a loser) could help things along.
However, Brown is as stubborn as he is cowardly, so he has no hope.
Stephen Carter was a really good purchase he has enhanced Gordo's reputation no end who's next ? Paul Burrell on the payroll ?
HH
Talking of timebombs, please can someone plant one in 10 Downing Street, preferably with a VERY short fuse? This joker really doesn't get it, does he? We don't want his "vision" for Britain - a nation of ID-card carrying bin-shutting child-measuring biometrically verified drones subservient to his all-powerful junta of colour-blind morons.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/may/05/localgovernment.gordonbrown
That should be RED, you fuckers, RED, not YELLOW.
Why can't the cunt just crawl off into a corner and die?
guido - Oscar the Grouch called, and was wondering if you could evict the smelly snot gobbler from his place of abode.
Bin tax u-turn will add £100 to council tax
I think we can now rely on the Liebour Party to destroy itself. What we should spend the next 2 years doing is deciding what sort of country do we want? I firmly believe that people now want low taxation and small government - they are tired of seeing ever larger amounts of their earnings grabbed and confiscated and then pissed away on the feckless, pointless targets, annual major reforms of everything to no effect and wasteful monuments to hubris that the public sector delight in inflicting upon us. Even global warming has reversed, so fuck green taxes! The Tories have yet to realise this - they had better do some listening as well.
n Aberdeenshire, the county council only empty waste bins fortnightly. They do,however,give each household two refuse bins. It would appear that this is not a green or recycling issue, more to keep using one gang insted of two.
The Country is only broke because they are spending money with no real control. Look at the ballooning cost of the Olympics and all the other pet projects.
The Cabinet is starting to disintegrate. Fights among ministers. No 10 briefing that bin tax has been binned but the lead Department briefing that it hasnt. Individual Departments in free fall. You only have to look at who is in the Cabinet these days to realise what a wasteland it now is.
Now there is no leadership. Only a smell of fear with indecisive 'Granny' Brown trying to control her squabbling brood. They know that the electorate have finally realised what a bunch of liars, crooks and incompetents are in power. Watch for all the manoeuvrings over the next few months as they trying to position themsleves for the post Labour / post Gordon world or seek lucrative new jobs in the private sector.
We are sick of them and want real change. Try listening to that Gordon!
Indeed you are correct, these are the points on the agenda that we want McBroon to listen to. But he of course arrogantly ignores the voters and does as he pleases. Now it has blown up in his face, he like the lefty media, are blaming everyone except the Nu Labour party and it's awful behaviour and policies. Sod the voters, let's award ourselves £15K pay increase funded by the abolition of the 10p tax rate. We will remember all this you know! Plus the lies, destruction of pensions etc all done to squander money on grand schemes that fail miserably. These are mostly IT projects which suggests to me that the ID card scheme will end in fiasco too, a costly fiasco too, unless a new Conservative government cans it.
The gov is also causing companies to relocate to sunnier tax climes. Diagio is looking for example at Ireland where corporation tax is around 12%. Once again Nu Labour show they are not corporate friendly, they just can't be. they have to tax and spend. It's in their political 'genes'.
Loathe as I am to add to Gordon Brown's woes, but is he going bald? Seriously!
I've noticed for sometime that Gordon's hair will go grey but then will start getting darker again. (Grecian 2000?)
But then I noticed in the Sunday interviews how Gordon's hair is receeding at the side of his temples and then he has this strange dark quiff on top. Toupee? Comb-over? Some elaborate sort of weave?
I thought it was just me but I did a quick google last night and someone on digital spy reckons he's got a toupee.
We hear all these constant platitudes from a man who really just does not understand that he can not carry off glib sound-bites in the way that his predecessor could. When Going Bust talks about his 'vision for Britain' we know that he's looking with his glass eye and when he talks about 'listening to the people' we know that he has switched off his hearing aid.
We urgently need a vote of no confidence from within his own party.
Thanks to ten years of Gordon Browns prudent and wise policies as chancellor the people of the UK benefit from unprecedented levels of personal wealth and prosperity. A strong housing market and ever-rising house prices which allow people to continue releasing equity from their homes will ensure that this prosperity goes on.
Very low government debt (the lowest in the world) will allow Gordon to borrow billions which he can spend on public services and increased benefits thus ensuring that people have enough money to carry on spending and to keep the ten year consumer boom going.
Despite the destructive policies of the Tories, Boris Johnson, the BNP, and others the UK is a harmonious, settled, multi-cultural place where immigration is welcomed by the vast majority of the populace and has benefited the economy enormously.
Last weeks slight election setback for Labour was nothing more than mid-term blues, a temporary blip which will be reversed at the next general election when a Gordon Brown led Labour Party will sweep to victory against the forces of reaction and old, stale, white, Little Englander Britain will be soundly beaten once again.
So all you Tory boys, housepricecrashers, white racist bigots, doom-mongers, etc celebrate if you must but, as you can see, Gordon Brown is already working to wipe the smiles off your pale, miserable faces.
A triple U-turn. Gives 'New Labour spin' a whole new meaning.
Please stop referring to ZaNULab as a tax and spend party. They are a tax and squander party after skimming off a slice for themselves and their mates.
dave smith - brilliant. only stanislav could have put it better!
He cannot back down on anything - it would be an admission of failure. An admission that tax and spend and redistribution is a failed policy. And as it is the only 'labour' or vaguely 'socialist' policy left standing after the abandonment of cl4.4 they cannot afford to ditch it as it will be an admission that the Great Socialist Experiment is a total failure and all it has succeeded in doing is making everyone poorer, enslaving a whole class to the state, destroying capital and building up debt. And do not start me on the impoverishment of the poor and the trapping of the underclass into benefit dependency. Deliberate, overt redistributive policies never ever work. The money just gets spent. No-one is permantly lifted out of 'poverty'.
Hopefully this will be the last throw of these deluded clowns and the Voter will realise that all they ever do is destroy wealth and liberty and enslave their client state.
Wankers.
Rather worryingly, for one who is a complete supporter of the rule of law and the democratic way, I found myself seriously considering political assassination as way out out of this mess. Luckily I only own a 0.22 air rifle - with a broken foresight. And anyway, do you know what? I really can't be arsed.
the clunking fist has the same mentality as a wife beater. he punches poor people in the face and then says 'I'm sorry, I won't do it again.'
it's the similar sketch with double charging for rubbish collection. but this time he is saying 'I was going to punch my wife in the face but decided not to. wasn't that good of me.'
note to gordon brown: you are a total fucking spastic. step down for the good of the country, you self-serving cunt.
boom to bust
150 estate agent branches closing per week
Say it again, bin tax and all the other bollocks that fucks up our lives emenates from the EU. Brown, Cameron and all the other cunts can't change it. The EU will insist it comes back into play and our fucking useless sockpuppet parliament will have to go along with it.
The yes/no/maybe Bin tax fiasco is a perfect example of just how powerless any Westminster government is now.
The entire agenda is down to EU regulations, over which we have no real say at all. Green Dave will have exactly the same regulations to follow.
Until some government comes clean over just how much power has been given away to Brussells, every government will be forced to introduce legislation that the people dont want, thus makeing themselves thoroughly unpopular and often plain stupid, because they are powerless to change it, but too scared to admit what the real source is.
The situation will get worse and worse, because the one thing that you can assured of, when it comes to the EU, is that it will continue to flood us with idiotic solutions, to yesterdays problems, or as in the case of AGW to non problems, all of which cost a fortune.
Read Peter Hitchens - Brown and gang are finished; New Labour is alive and well. It's possible for both to be true.
McBean and his apologists keep banging on about his 'vision for the future'. Apart from the worrying image I have of him having 'visions', what fucking vision? We've all seen what he does - tax and squander (sic) - in pursuit of the flawed idea that he can spend our money better than we can and make society 'fairer'. And that's it. That's all. Everything. All of it. No more. Nothing. Nothing else at all. And as it has failed in the past why will it succeed in the future? Well, it won't.
Now the Voter is back in charge and in it's 'vision' for the future McBean does not figure. Anywhere.
So the best thing he can do is see this real 'vision' and FUCK OFF NOW!
If a council gets fined by the EU, where does the money go?
What happens if the council refuses to pay the fine?
Seeing the pictures in the News from southern Italy with all their rubbish problems it seems more than unfair that yet again the UK taxpayer has to play by the rules when the rest do not.
Dave Smith
If you believe the absolute load of shite you have just wrote then I sincerely hope that you are institutionalised and not free roaming the streets
(1) "UK benefit from unprecedented levels of personal wealth" -
what you mean there is unprecedented levels of debt, not wealth.
(2) "A strong housing market and ever-rising house prices which allow people to continue releasing equity from their homes will ensure that this prosperity goes on" -
The housing market is crashing and re-posessions are soaring and as for releasing equity, has it never dawned that this is imaginary money that you have to pay back at almost twice the price you borrowed or "released" from your home and as a result of negative equity you are paying money for nothing.
(3) "Very low government debt (the lowest in the world)" -
What you mean is amongst the HIGHEST in the world. Thats before even taking into account the TRILLIONS on PFI that aren't on the books.
(4) "the UK is a harmonious, settled, multi-cultural place where immigration is welcomed " -
Of course it is and ooh look, there goes a hoard of flying pigs past the window.
Quite a unique acievement Dave to be wrong on every point and at every concievable level
Give your self a pat on the back with a carving knife you tit.
Exactly. The poverty of the man's thinking is exposed by this ludicrous sop.
No one will be pacified by a repealed bin tax.
Brown is an idiot.
http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-gordon-brown-really-went-down-in.html
Gorgon's 'vision' didn't go down too well in the US either:
The redundancy of Brown's outrageous semantics was oppressive. His speech used the word global 69 times, globalization 7 times, and interdependence 13 times. He referred to Kennedy 19 times, lavishing fulsome praise on John F. ("his influence abides everywhere"), Robert (he sent forth "ripples of hope"), and Ted ("one of the greatest Senators in more than two centuries").
Brown rejected the traditional concept of national sovereignty, which means an independent nation not subservient to any outside control, telling us to replace it with "responsible sovereignty," which he defined as accepting what he calls our global "obligations." Hold on to your pocketbook.
Brown admitted that his "main argument" is that we must accept "new global rules," "new global institutions," and "global networks." Brown's global rules include massive U.S. cash handouts and opening U.S. borders to the world.
Brown's use of well-known American political phrases was tacky. He tried to morph FDR's New Deal into a "New Global Deal," and JFK's New Frontier into "the New Frontier is that there is no frontier."
Brown even slipped in an attempt at thought control: "Americans must learn to think inter-continentally." He declaimed, "We are all internationalists now."
Anonymous @ 11:00 seems to have an irony outage. Never mind.
an earlier anonymous said
"It's not a u-turn anyway, as local councils will just raise council tax by the amount they would have charged for the bin tax."
50 quid is not really the point; It's the sheer noseyness, busy body cheek of poking around in my refuse which remains my property until it is in their waggon.
If they are so keen on re-cycling why don't they just take the bloody lot and sort it out themselves ?
Global Warming ? Seems that it is " going to seem to end for 15 years ". Not really end mind, just that we won't be able to see or measure it, silly old us. Greenery must march on.
On the 10% tax thingey, several low paid people that I know are not aware of the problem so it may not have affected the way they voted ( yet, perhaps ).
"But then I noticed in the Sunday interviews how Gordon's hair is receeding at the side of his temples and then he has this strange dark quiff on top. Toupee? Comb-over? Some elaborate sort of weave?"
If you've ever watched "There's Something About Mary" you'll know the type of hair gel McTwat prefers. Ed Testes supplies him with all he needs. But seriously, if McTwat is listening, is the cunt so stupid that he doesn't realise that he's just been told what to do? Just fuck off and die Gordon, fuck off and die.
Another sign of desperation - his little leiutenant in Scotland, Wendy "950" Alexander, is now saying the SNP should bring forward their independence referendum plans a year, and her Labour MSPs will support it. There's bluster in the (unremittingly Labour sycophantic) Scottish media saying this is her idea, but that's not even remotely likely. It's come out during Gordon's barnstorming session at Chequers, with all the clear signs of policy on the hoof.
Truth is, Brown's now realised the SNP's planned late 2010 referendum will probably now take place with Cameron at Number 10 (and a huge UK Tory majority), or a fag-end Brown government clearly doomed to lose whenever he calls the GE. So Scottish Labour would then be campaigning at the referendum for the Tories to control Scotland. Looks like the snot-gobbler has just helped engineer the end of the UK. His only great contribution to British politics, even though it was one he didn't want. What a fucking genius.
Anon 11.00 Erm, I think D Smith was on a wind up. I can fully understand your ire. The fury we all feel sometimes gives us a sense of humour failure. May I suggest that you have a quiet sit down and a soothing cup of tea and a few deep breaths, or better yet, if possible go for a brisk walk with the dogs.
You'll then feel a lot better.
Regards
You are calling Brown an idiot.
I don't think he's an idiot - I think he's insane and completely out of touch with reality.
Any man with a modicum of sense would have offered a rather larger carrot than bin taxes, to pacify the angry voters, such as repealing ID cards, lowering fuel prices...
Thank Christ Scotland will be independent by the time ID cards are introduced, they will not be valid in our wee country. Why do you accept the transparent machinations of a police state in waiting?
Dave Smith 9.398am - "Gordon Brown is already working to wipe the smiles off your pale, miserable faces"
I think that might be more accurate phrased as "Gordon Brown is already working to wipe his smalls off on your pale, miserable faces"
"Gordon Brown is already working to wipe the smiles off your pale, miserable faces."
Racist bigot.
anonymous @ 11h00:
The word you are so unsuccessfully scrabbling for is "irony". You know, like goldy and steely, except made of iron.
Dave Smith - think the guys have mentioned that you're utterly wrong on everything and, well, it's populus - no such word as populace except in nonsense land. Wake up Dave, time to go to school.
Lola, re the 11:00 am anon, perhaps (also in There's Something About Mary) the fellow's been "going out with a loaded weapon" and some quality time spent "throttling the chicken", or perhaps "waxing the dolphin" (as I believe this sort of activity is referred to) might put the iron back in his irony-antennae.
David Smith is a comedy genius!
Either that or he works for MORI.
Our beloved leader is developing protuberances on his cheeks. Perhaps he is metamorphosing into a warthog.
I used to live in a remote village which had a complicated rubbish-collection system of recyclables one week and everything else the next. The non-car-owning inhabitants took to burying their detritus in their gardens; the rest loaded it into their cars and tipped it down the nearest mountainside. If anyone imposes a tax on rubbish they will probably torch the Town Hall. If I were a ZaNuLab councillor I would be terrified.
decision by the EU to fine ..
The heart of the problem, we don't need Westminster any more, just a few idiots to translate EU diktats into English (until they outlaw that).
People seem to be sussing it out (well at least people who blog here are) changing Cameron for Brown is like changing one pair of shit stained underpants for another pair of excrement stained undergarments.
The EU makes the laws that we all profess to hate and the wankers in parliament simply rubber stamp them.
Anyone for UKIP?
anonycock @ 11.00
Even I could work out he was being ironic, you fucking spacker.
Enter Joseph Rudyard Kipling. In 1910 Kipling published his most famous poem, as relevant today as it was nearly 100 years ago,
IF
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to,
broken,And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
Gordon scores a big fat 0, or in other words....Fuck off.
I know...why doesnt Bendy Wendy invite Granny Brooon to become King of the new Scottish State. She could do an electoral pact with the SNP - independence guaranteed if they take Gordon on as Head of State with a free apartment in a tower at Edinburgh Castle to brood in.
What more could a man want?
It's just so obvious - it would solve so many problems.
I have figured out snottys problem and its not that he lurched to the left or lurched to the right he is just fuckin Lurch off the Adams family.
What thoughts dominate the mind and dictate the actions of the poor demented denizen of Downing Street?
As children we learn that telling lies can help us avoid punishment for our misdeeds. Before the onset of Machevellian intelligence at about the age of 4 -5 years we are simply unable to understand that others cannot see events as we do. Our own view must be incorporated into any account of events for it to make sense to us.
Rhinotillexis, nose picking is a very common habit, but a mildly taboo subject in most cultures. While nose picking appears to be an almost universal practice amongst humans, the observation of the activity in another commonly incites disgust. Exactly the same attitude that Presbyterians have to masturbation.
So, in Gordo’s case is the nose picking a masturbatory substitute? Stress induces impotence which is unsatisfactory, nails bitten to the quick make nose picking unproductive – a continuous downward spiral of failure in self esteem and sexuality, replicating the failure in politics.
So as the necromancer creeps the darkened corridors of No 10 in the dark sleepless watches of the night, communing with the parental spirits, John Ebenezer and Bunty, what words of comfort do they have for him? Do they tell him to hold true to his moral compass and in particular to help the poor people they saw so often when they ventured from the coal-heated comfort of the manse to the other side of the town? Do they encourage him to tell the truth and shame the devil?
Do they fuck!
It’s clear from his body language and his incessant decerebrate drivelling, the incessant obvious lying, the constant repetitions and ceaseless evasions that this poor beknighted creature suffers from much deeper disturbances. Did he witness, at age, 5 the primal scene, Father laboriously humping Mother? Or did he witness the act of fellatio? Either might account for this deep disturbance.
Or is it that liberated from this earth and the restraints of Presbyterianism the spirits berate him “Och wee Gordon ye always were a snivelling, lying, repulsive, masturbating little cunt - come out and fuck off!”
Jack Straw had better make his move very soon, or there will be little of his beloved Party left.
A free Scotland! - wow, I can hear the wailing from the bunker from miles away.
Gordo tells us now that when he wakes up, the first thing on his mind is "How ican help the British people with their mortgages etc".
So when does he listen to the Arctic Monkeys? Or was that a little white lie?
Surely not?
This can't go on for two more years, can it?
If that lump on Snottie McTwat's jaw get any bigger he may start listing to port. He may even sink!
stanislut at 6:22
The diagnosis is not psychological but neuropsychiatric. Our brave leader is either short of dopamine or - even worse - on neuroleptics. It is obvious from the hand movement here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ba7glghZ4w
This is not fear. This, I am sorry to say, is brain-rot.
Tacitus at 10:31
The diagnosis may be much simpler.
It's not necessarily a shortage of dopamine or the effect of neuroleptics. In the Lancashire mill towns, during the sixties and seventies of my youth, the characteristic hand movement to which you refer was known as "wanker's doom" - the incontrovertible sign of the habitual masturbator.
The massive cost of the scheme is only one aspect of the ID card time-bomb – what will really piss people off is when the police start dragging them in for questioning for no apparent reason!
Here's how it works:
On 20th Feb 2007, Tony Blair publicly stated that fingerprints on the National Identity Register could be compared against prints found at crime scenes:
"They will be able, for example, to compare the fingerprints found at the scene of some 900,000 unsolved crimes against the information held on the register".
see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/20/nidcards20.xml
Now, paragraph 170 of the Home Affairs Select Committee Report on ID cards states that:
“The National Physical Laboratory's feasibility study noted that in one-to-one checks good fingerprint systems were able to achieve a false match rate of 1 in 100,000”.
see: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmhaff/130/13007.htm#a28
With a projected 60 Million people on the NIR and with a false match rate of 1 in 100,000, we can expect about 600 false matches every time it is scanned for a fingerprint.
So, if the 900,000 crime scene prints that Mr. Blair mentioned are compared against the NIR, this will result in 600 x 900,000 = 540 million false matches.
Since there are only 60 million people on the register, this means that everyone on the register will (on average) match with the prints found at 9 of those crime scenes.
I think this gives some flavour of the sheer insanity of the system.
a chance to help Gordon see he might wane before he's waxed
http://www.madame-tussauds.co.uk/GordonBrownVote/
Charging bin tax, on top of council tax...
Isn't council tax supposed to include rubbish collection?
Maybe I am just a dumb Yank, and someone can explain it to me like I'm a two year old...
Does Anyone understand this statement from Gordon's spokesman?
Bin Tax
Asked repeatedly what the point of having quite extensive pilots on the issue, lasting for the next few years if the Government knew that it would not take the policy forward, the PMS replied that the Government had said it would legislate to enable pilots to create incentives for recycling and the Government would have to evaluate the impact of those pilots before making a final decision. The legislation was enabling legislation so the Government was not forcing any local authorities involved in the pilots to participate in them; it would be for local authorities to volunteer both for whether they wanted to participate in the pilots and the nature of the incentives that they would like to introduce. We would have to see whether any local authorities decided that they did want to participate in these projects.
Put that he was talking about incentives rather than penalties, the PMS said that the legislation set out quite clearly what the terms of reference were and what the criteria was for the pilots and that had not changed.
Asked if legislation allowed councils to bring in charges beyond the pilot scheme, the PMS said that it was his understanding that there were pilot schemes to enable incentives and clearly there were different types of incentives that councils could choose to introduce. The key thing was that it would be for the councils to bring forward proposals and to decide whether or not they wanted to participate.
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page15448.asp
"Does anyone understand this statement from Gordon's spokesman?"
Yes....it's Lobby speak that translates as
"we are fucked politically and bin tax will make it worse. So we need to get off this hook while still trying to:
* appease the Green Lobby,
* con he EU that we are doing something and
* keep quiet all the different factions within the Government itself whom the PM has dumped this on without consulting them and who now realise that, just because you are a Minister, it doesnt mean that you really count.
So we intend to announce the consideration of a possible series of pilots on some form of regulatory mechanism that might, or might not, be adopted at some unspecified future date while privately telling our all friends in the media that Gordon cares and will not let this happen.
Given the right circumstances and gullible enough journalists we may even spin this as Good Gordon ('I feel your pain') fighting the evil / stupid / uncaring Government that doesn't understand the needs of real people in the real world.
Throughout this process our committment to our main policy objectives will continue to be driven by fundamental principle and the values we stand for ie:-
* to con everyone long enough that they might be stupid enough to re-elect us
* to try to keep the party happy in the meantime and
* to give our MPs some hope, no matter so forelorn, that they might retain their seats."
Isnt it unfair to rubbish Gordon's committment to the poor in our Society?
After all his Government is proving so successful in increasing their numbers day by day. All that success couln't be delivered without a real co-ordinated effort.
"wanker's doom" - the incontrovertible sign of the habitual masturbator.
Very possibly given what is wrong with GB. Look at the exchange at the beginning of the video clip.
"Look me in the eye" is easy for Cameron to say, and he knows it will be heard as a rhetorical device by most of the audience, but for GB it has a deeper significance and not just because of there being only one eye. The disability here is autism; a problem with normal eye contact is one of the strands of the disfunction.
GB looks to his left for some form of confirmation from someone who seems to be past Miliband; is he confirming which pre-set response he should deliver? Cameron carefully repeats himself: 'was he, was the Prime Minister planning..'
Does he mean me, should I say it now, was I planning that? Yes I was.
The camera is distant as GB stands up so there is a chance that he is actually looking up, but his head seems to be pointing down. When the camera switches to a closer image there is a brief raising of the chin: 'Uneqivovally yes', but his eyes then shoot straight back down to the script in his left hand which he is hanging on to furiously, apparently refering to it for answers although for a question as simple as that, no script is really necessary.
Cameron repeats the tactic: 'will he look across the dispatch box and...'
GB stands up and again the camera is first wide, then closer in. He is not looking across the dispatch box - he's looking back at his party, or towards the speaker. No, he can't look across the dispatch box. His entire body has failed a simple staring-out contest. His right hand is shaking so badly that he puts the script in to it, then wedges his left fist on to his hip in order to stop it flapping, as it is inclined to do when he is under pressure.
Cameron has a problem; this is close to mocking the afflicted as GB tends to look like a bear in a baiting pit, which always provokes sympathy as it is easy to forget that GB is there entirely as a result of his own choices and machinations. It is a devastatingly cruel video clip.
George Osborne was bitterly criticised two years ago for stating the obvious:- GB has a serious disfunction which makes him suited to other work but rules him out of being PM. The rocking, the flapping, the repetition of phrases in ritual form in order to try to get control of a situation, the picking, other hygiene issues such as having to check he has washed, the curious ability to suck up facts and figures but not to properly connect them to the real world, the way Sarah Brown herself wondered at how rude and apparently unaware he could be, Lord Levy's descriptions of GB's ritualistic interogation of any project brought to him, his early intellectual ability but in a very narrow field of enquiry which was based on collecting fact after fact after fact; all these suggest 'autistic spectrum disorder'.
The Labour party have only themselves to blame if they can't tell the difference between an towering intellect an idiot savant. The handlers have worked very hard at teaching GB to put his head on one side and appear to be listening, but it does not alter the fact that he has not the slightest comprehension of what he is hearing either on a literal or sub-text level. This was most painfully apparent when GB had a friendly audience chaired by Kevin Maguire, who surely must have been able to see and hear that his guest was simply not able to connect with what was being said, even when it was a pretty thank you. He just dives in to scribbling which isn't even analytical - it is ritualistic and about GB trying to exert magical control over the situation. GB feels - rather than thinks - that if he can gouge in to the paper, this will somehow amount to control over the real world.
Even Kevin Maguire must be able to see it. Marr can see it. Michael White is quite clever enough to see it, so if he can't, then he must be deliberately not looking. Why?
(Note to tacitus: people taking medication to cope with this variety of disorders are not precluded from being afraid as well. They know when they are at the boundaries of their comprehension and are very frightened indeed of situations that require novel responses.)
Mr Tacitus and Mrs woman on a raft
Can we achieve a degree of concise consensus and suumarise the whole thing to the following?
Gordson Brown is a weird cunt.
Yank May 7, 2008 2:39 AM
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Charging bin tax, on top of council tax...
Isn't council tax supposed to include rubbish collection?
So we thought, especially since rubbish collection is the only thing I am aware of my local council doing for me. Somewhere along the line came this requirement for an extra payment; seems more like "Protection Money" to me.
Mr. Yank, the posts following yours may help further.
Anonymous May 7, 2008 7:34 AM
"Does Anyone understand this statement from Gordon's spokesman?"
Bin Tax
Another interpretation is that he has confused the electorate enough to move onto weightier matters, so we think the bin tax has been binned but actually it has been enacted in the guise of "Pilots"; it won't be the first time.
"the Government would have to evaluate the impact of those pilots before making a final decision. "
So "no decision" has in fact been made ( which it has but he won't say so ) but, here is the good bit
"The legislation was enabling legislation "
Pass to Parliamentary Lawyers for what that means.
woman on a raft
Thank you so much for that evaluation. I've watched that clip many times trying to figure out Gordons strange body language.
"The rocking, the flapping, the repetition of phrases in ritual form in order to try to get control of a situation"
Sympathy for autism, if that what he has , is all very well but does it extend to Gordon remaining as Prime Minister of our still United Kingdom ?
B-S. Agreed. So long as it is understood that he is a wierd cunt in the wrong job.
That's no good for him and disastrous for the rest of us. The only people with the slightest to gain from GB's continued office are Cameron, because it will make him look better in comparison, and Jack Straw - for exactly the same reason.
Mrs woman on a raft
Wrong job for the country while he's in it - I agree.
But it's the right job for him without a doubt - can you seriously think of anyone else who might take over who could make as good a job as Gordon of ensuring that Labour lose the next election?
I take no credit for this thought I'm just repeating the words of a labour m.p. on the 1400 Kings Cross/ Newcastle yesterday - the one who had the soup and fish.
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