The First Days of Mayor Boris
It got off to a good start with the police making good on his tough crime stance promise - shooting a drunk gun toting lawyer. However this banning of drink on public transport* has Guido worried (for one reason and another). Will hip-flasks be confiscated?
Will we be able to travel intoxicated, will one be able travel with bottles of booze? What are the mechanics of this? Guido may have to resort to Cameroon style transport arrangements in London - cycling one-handed while swigging from a jug of Pimms. Oh, hold on...
The thing is Boris, if you go to Beijing to hob-nob with Tibet's oppressors (and don't send the right signals) as well as getting all authoritarian in your first week with the G&T swilling classes on the long march to Zone 6, we will remember your treachery come 2012. This may be the most rapid disillusionment with a politician ever...
*Pretty sure that Guido was served alcohol on public river transport between Westminster and Canary Wharf one evening. It was pretty civilised for public transport. Is that to be banned?
89 comments:
Guido - you're just rambling now. Please go to bed.
Guido got Boris elected. Ergo Boris must behave as a glove-puppet for Guido.
Guido, I am a rabid libertarian and loathe all the restrictions to liberty imposed by the crypto-fascist Blair/Brown administratrion. But you surely must admit that there is no need to drink on buses and tube trains, and that drunks on London Transport make a ghastly experience substantially ghastlier.
More importantly however, the pledge to rid the tube and buses of booze was in Boris's manifesto, so you would expect him to honour it, wouldn't you?
And the first days of any administration are good times for some solid gesture politics to signal what you are about. Boris has been painted as a fool by the idiot left and this is a good little policy to make people realise that he is serious and actually wants to make people's lives more pleasant with easy and simple changes. I think it is spot on. The fact that the transport union oposes it confirms my view.
alcohol is a must when taking public transportation, isn't it? at least would be a thought when they raise the rates again...
Boris and the tory toffs don't have a fucking clue, expect things to go tits up rather soon.
Did anyone hear Iain Dale make a complete cunt of himself this evening on Radio 5 live? Well, he did. Cunt. Iain, you were a cunt. End of.
if you want to get pissed on a train in London, any of the commuter trains out of Waterloo, Victoria, etc., have alcohol on sale.
Is this rant to do with you're driving licence?
If it was Guido wot won it... then it's Guido we blame
Shooting a lawyer?
Result!
Boris has banned the CONSUMPTION of alcohol on public transport, not the possession.
Please read the poster behind his head in the photo, Guido, and then get some sleep.
bit harsh!
Deliberately grasping the wrong end of the stick on this does nothing to enhance your amusability...
Perhaps you would recomend a trolley service on the Northen Line after say 8pm?
The Camelbak liquid backpack with the bendy straw over your shoulder is the thing for mobile Pimms-swilling. Not sure how the cucumber and borage will work with that; maybe like a lemon wedge with the tequila shooter, you carry them in your other hand and bite into them from time to time?
Boris would know: ask.
And don't be ridiculous: of COURSE you'll still be able to travel intoxicated. How else are all the bankers going to get to work in the mornings so they can comfortably sleep under their desks? Like, duh.
oh hai, Boris swore off booze during the campaign. Do you suppose this is just payback and after a few months he'll be passing a mickey around on the Tube?
Boris is doing the right thing. As to whether it can be enforced, that is an another matter.
Guido's gone soft. Get drink off buses and trains. Well done, Boris.
Bring back caning if possible.
It's time to reverse the libertarian sixties, and who better to do it than the arch-libertarian himself.
Then get council tax down.
"Labour is in emergency talks to renegotiate more than £10m of loans from wealthy businessmen to prevent itself running out of money.
Most of the millionaires who secretly lent money to Labour in the run-up to the 2005 election ought to be repaid in the coming months but the party – which is £20m in the red – is in no position to do this."
FT this morning...Oh happy days....GO BORIS!!!
Did you really not notice this policy when you were cheering for his election? Best do your research next time.
maybe this is why 'people' (old Fawkes!) who supposedly want to see the end to heirachy shouldn't be backing candidates who support it...?!
Time to swot up on your dose of V for Vendetta?? x
Perhaps they should ban alcohol from public buildings like the London Assembly as well. Might improve efficiency.
Guido,
bit O/T but see this in the ft this morning...
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/53f23c76-1c66-11dd-8bfc-000077b07658.html
just goes from bad to worse for Gordon
Tapestry:
Me and my friend Max would be very interesting in meeting up with you for a bit of caning. Would you like to get in touch - in all senses?
Craig, 2:10
One swallow doesn't make a summer, etc., etc., but let's hope this is the start of something bigger.
Once that's over, they should turn their attention to the estate agents, architects and dentists.
Oh Guido .....you are staring to sound like a Liberal!
re
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/53f23c76-1c66-11dd-8bfc-000077b07658.html
I wonder will any of them be brave enough to demand leadership changes in return for the agreement?
Oh wouldnt it be rich to see the Broonies ousted by millionaires and bankers! But that is going too far - its only £10m or around £28,000 per Labour MP ....if they all throw 3 months expenses into the pot that's it sorted. Put it down as Office rent!
You're a cruel man Guido.
First Minister's questions is on today on Beeb Scotchland, can'5t wait to see the blob that is Ubendy take a pasting.
Fancy live chatting it or will you be at 'lunch'?
"Pretty sure that Guido was served alcohol on public river transport between Westminster and Canary Wharf one evening."
Pretty sure? Or don;t entirely remember?
Boriss issh a cunt mate, a right faking cuunnt. No fuckers gonna take me can of Stella or me bottle of white lightning of me when I'm begging on the station I know my fucking yuman rights mate so..er what was I saying then, oi you looking at me cunt you want some.
Guido is talking through his arse again. I think he may be in danger of turning into Nick Baldison!
Sorry I'm a bit far away. Thought that might get a reaction!!! Still out of era that one, but never fails to work in bringing a halt to thuggery. Bullies have to meet a force stronger than themselves before they pack up their works.
The idea that British relations with the whole of China must be run around the rights and wrongs of the Dalai Lama's Tibetan campaign seems a bit dim. There are a few other aspects to China than just Tibet, which gets most of the news media jumping around in total excitement when none of them have been there, or have a clue as to what is going on.
little old lady passing by said... (4:04 am):
"Perhaps you would recomend a trolley service on the Northen Line after say 8pm?"
Yes please!
Methinks you protest a little too much!
Within living memory there was a bar on the Tube platform at Liverpool St. But then the Underground was a far more civilised ride, you could have a fag too.
Is Boris just trying to stop lager louts on the tube? Which indeed seems a good idea.
Or is he trying to ban the carrying of all alcohol? Which is a fucking stuptd idea.
Guido, stick to what you're good at!
What would you rather have, as you travel home after an evening at the movie, theatre, concert? A reasonable civilised although overcrowded mode of transport, or a swell of foul mouthed drunks?
You dont have to sit and booze yourself violent on the way back to your squat.
As usual, its the nasty minority who spoil a journey for the vast majority.
Boris is right. One is only on a London journey for 2 hours max, and that would be to go from one end of the metropolis to the other.
Why does any one have to sit swigging cheap booze during the journey?
Why are the unions upset? Will it upset some pay deal/pension right/shift pattern?? They often have a hidden agenda.
Great idea from Boris, I can see all the lefties going puce with fury at being unable to drown their sorrows on public transport. Never mind comrades, you can get blotto when you get back to your bedsits.
Or is he trying to ban the carrying of all alcohol?
I know the writing on the poster in the picture is small, but it does say in quite plain English what the policy is.
Was it just me, or did i notice olde "Paw Broon" looking a bit glassy-eyed himself, at the sight of Boris the Bhudda, sat with folded arms and glaring at Broon all through PMQs
Boris is going to ban "drinking" on the tube and buses, not drink.
Where you drinking when you wrote this?
Tory, 'Nanny State' good!
Labour, 'Nanny State' bad!
Boris, just another fucking hypocrite!
Smoking in banned on the tube but smokers carry cigarettes.
Even Libertarians accept that people going about their day to day business should be able to do that without being harrassed by drunk people!
I find people who swig from their tins of cooking lager on the train to be aggressive and likely to disrupt the peace of everyone else's journey. That is not nannying!
Come on Guido, tis but a small step in the right direction. Compared to Washington DC the London tube is an absolute disgrace. On the DC underground all food, drink etc is banned, even chewing gum, the seats and carriages are clean and the aircon is a wonder to behold.
"Boris has banned the CONSUMPTION of alcohol on public transport, not the possession.
Please read the poster behind his head in the photo, Guido, and then get some sleep."
You'd be surprised. Me and a couple of friends literally had stepped out of their flat on saturday night with some unopened cans of beer and two policemen stopped us and demanded we hand over the said beers because we were in a no-alcohol zone. When we enquired as to what powers they had to get us to hand over unopened cans they threatened us with breach of the peace. They also told us earlier in the conversation that we weren't allowed to take them on the tube either. Little did we know a few days later the misinformed idiots would have an idiot mayor on the their side.
Anyhow for the moment all police or staff can do is eject you from the transport in question - and I ask you when was the last time you saw a copper or a member of staff on the tube out of zone 1 after 9pm.
Oh, hang on. That might be the real problem as opposed to people having a can of beer on the way to a party.
Wait for the football matches. And if tube staff will be eager to intervene to remove cans of lager?
Will this be a test of how Boris deals with the Tube unions? Will we have a summer of strikes?
Even Libertarians accept that people going about their day to day business should be able to do that without being harrassed by drunk people!
As a committed libertarian, I agree completely. I do think people should be able to go about their day without being harassed. So ban harassing. Not drinking.
Fundamental misunderstanding of libertarianism, I'm afraid. The libertarian argument is not to ban me from having a quiet drink, but arrest the man harassing you for harassment, regardless of whether he is drunk or sober. To claim that I shouldn't be allowed to have my drink because there is a man in the carriage who can't handle his might be a liberal policy, but it is categorically not libertarian.
What rubbish from the gunpowder plotter.
Do you use public transport especially late at night. Have you had to put up with yobbos throwing lager cans around?
Absolutely alcohol should be banned on public transport. Drinking in public should be banned as should cussing and swearing. Its bad enough the boozing but having to put up with loud mouthed effing and blinding is worse. ZERO TOLERANCE.
Not that your coterie of effers and blinders would be worried about that. If you think I am going to waste my time reading your live blogs at PMQs etc to put up with that load of rubbish you are sadly delusional.
Libertarians? Fuck off you cunts. Well done Boris, makes up for your amnesty bollocks for all illigals. I can almost hear Guido choking on his first G'n'T off the day!
Ferchrissake, give the man a chance. He is barely a week into the job. What is wrong with trying to stop travellers being menaced by nasty drunks? It sounds like a good move to me.
"makes up for your amnesty bollocks for all illigals"
nice to see the BNP maintaining consistent levels of literacy
he made it sunny outside, which was a stroke of genius, but god damn, if i cant drink vino on the northern line i'll burn his daft barnet quicker than you can say "quick! piss on his head!".
I've never been bothered by someone drinking on public transport.
I have been bothered by tinny music playing on mobile phones.
Why doesn't Boris ban that instead?
Can we have that nice libertarian Mr Leninslime back please?
Are you drunk again? Silly question :¬)
Actually as I understand it the plan is that open containers of booze will be banned. If you're carrying home, say, your groceries including a case or two of Margeaux (naturally), then that's fine.
Not sure what the policy on doing lines is...
mmm we don't want drunks swinging cans of booze on trains but what about having a glass of wine with your dinner, or sitting peacefully in your seat having a drink to while away a long journey? We who live in the out reaches of East Anglia need a tipple to pass the very long journey so what will happen to us?
Getting the wording of the rules right isn't hard - just make it an offence to carry any opened alcoholic drink on the tube, buses or train services running entirely within the London boundary (although the latter may not be within the gift of the Mayor). That means no problems carrying... say... a bottle of wine on the tube on the way to a party or your shopping home from Tesco on the bus when you've got beers in one of the bags. It's also consistent with the rules that apply to private cars.
The problem on this is always going to be enforcement. When you've got a hundred beer-swilling football fans running amok on a tube platform, who's actually going to tell them to stop?
@Sock Puppet 10.07
Did I say the policy is Libertarian? No. My point was that surely even diehard ideologues can see the advantage of making our public arenas a bit more pleasant by stopping people drinking on the tube? It's not usually the polite people who down their tins on their way out, so in fact it doesn't really affect the sensible drinkers.
Sorry again, Guido old top, but as with the 'amnesty for illegals' you're wrong on this on, innit?
Only scumbags get drunk - I get plastered luvies. Mojitos at moment - very tasty what what.
Guido, to answer one of your questions;
The overground trains are outwith this as they currently provide alcohol as part of their trolley and bar service. If the river transport are also providing the same service then I would expect them to be similarly exempt.
Carrying un-opened alcohol (as mentioned many times above) is perfectly fine. Drinking it, however, will be prohibited from June 1st and can lead to you being ejected from the transport.
How exactly this will be enforced is the point that is causing the most discussion.
Keldorn said...
"just make it an offence to carry any opened alcoholic drink on the tube, buses or train services ... That means no problems carrying... say... a bottle of wine on the tube on the way to a party or your shopping home from Tesco on the bus when you've got beers in one of the bags. It's also consistent with the rules that apply to private cars."
What country do you live in? In England it is not illegal to carry an opened drink in a car. It is not illegal, even for the driver, to drink it in the car.
The Beast is far more cunning than Boris imagines, I like to mix vodka in a lucozade orange drink bottle, to onlookers I am merely topping up my glucose and electrolyte levels when in reality I am getting nicely pissed.
To add insult to injury this tousle haired fuckwit intends to scan us all for knives as we get on a train, well The beast has a way around that one as well..
www.assistedknives.com
Knives that can pass through metal detectors
FUCK OFF BORIS YOU STALINIST CUNT!
sitondafence said...
"Come on Guido, tis but a small step in the right direction. Compared to Washington DC the London tube is an absolute disgrace. On the DC underground all food, drink etc is banned, even chewing gum, the seats and carriages are clean and the aircon is a wonder to behold.
Ditto Istanbul!
Bring the troops back, second them to the British Transport Police for six months, give them big sticks and tell them to crack skulls.
Fuck the liberals.
Don't BAN anything, don't MAKE AN OFFENCE out of anything. I can (and will) drink whatever the FUCK I want on the tube. If I'm pissed and twat someone (like this great dribbling blond nobhead) then arrest me. If I'm just having a drink then LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.
How many of the tube users bother to drink during the journey? There are few times between 16.00 and 19.00 when there is enough room to even consider opening a can or bottle, let alone consume it.
The tube will carry a fair number of semi-sober, and drunk people on a Friday or Saturday night; most do not bother to drink on the journey after a night out with friends.
Hot, summer evenings may have more incidents on the Tube with drunks getting upset because someone else is looking at their bird. Part of the problem is not the consumption of booze on the Tube, but the behaviour of some who have drunk too much earlier on in the evening.
The ban grabs headlines but may not be the answer to the problem.
The lunitic has taken over the asylum.......and you are surprised that we are very quickly finding flaws in the Marshall, sorry, Boris Plan!!!!! Come on Guido, you were warned about this time and time again, just apologise, distance yourself from the moron, then sit back with the rest of us to watch one hell of a long HIGNFY episode....except this ones in the real world. Scary, isn't it.
It can be unpleasant with drunks on the tube bu,t and as Johnnie Walker points out, its not the consumption whilst on the tube thats the problem, its the prior consumption. Boris has come at this from the wrong angle imo, you either stop the drunk getting on the tube in the first instance, or, my preferred choice , is to make sure that they (the drunk) is caught and dealt with when and if they commit any offence , which is likely to be public order, punishable normally 80quid fixed penalty fine. More BTP plod are therefore needed and possibly more powers for LU staff, say to kick the fuckers off the system. It aint going to be easy, but Rome wasnt built in a day. Banning booze is a cheap headline, but not the way, its the pisshead not the pint thats the problem. Same goes for cnuts spliffing up and smoking whilst down there.By all means smoke your weed at home and carry about on it you, hey you will not find any objection to that by me, but don`t pollute the system with the foul smelling odour of your habit.
If the tubes were private property this would be a no-no in my book. But as they're effectively government property Boris is entitled to set down rules regardig them.
Fucking good call there Mr Janitor. Fuck the libertarian knob jockeys, they dont live in the real world!
the beast of clerkenwell @ 12.00
There were metal detector arches searching people for knifes at Tottenham Court Road Station all night from 7pm on May 2nd. Boris wasn't elected mayor until almost midnight on the 2nd so it could hardly have been his idea to have them that day could it? So who's the Stalinist C*nt?
You're talking shite Guido - it's a well known fact that Boris can do no wrong.
His barber on the other hand.......
Ban Boris!!
The Beast of Clerkenwell. I think that should be the Pussy of Clerkenwell! Yes Beast, with that posting of yours at 12:00 you show yourself to be a cunt!
Wouldn't it be easier to have a single law against harrassment, come to think of it we already have, it's called a Breach of the Peace, so there is no need for new rules, just get the Police to enforce the old ones.
That way if someone wants a sip from their hip flask they can, so long as the do not make themselves a nuisance.
Half of the laws made recently are probably unnecessary.
Top cocktail on the circuit is The Boris - blue Curacao and Champagne with an optional red cherry that you can spit out! At least the Bolly should keep the Bolshies happy.
Must rush, there's my train run by that Bolinger Bolshie, Branson.
Agree with Chas 12:55am. I hate bans on principle - especially the draconian smoking ban in pubs which has had dire negative consequences. But only the lowest scum fill their bladders on the tube and a lot of women find it frightening.
As part of an anti-yob package, which includes more plod on the underground, this is sending out exactly the right message, even if it can't be policed 100%.
Fuck Bob Crow and the greedy rail union. Their objections are the best reason for pressing on with it.
Excellent idea to ban booze, in principle, but very difficult to enforce in reality. It's like when smoking was banned in Underground trains, loads of sods still smoked when there wasn't a guard around. With booze,it is easier, you can conseal it in a non-booze container, rum added to a bottle of Coke for instance, but most tube journey's are relatively short so the trouble-makers have already got pissed before they have got on. I'd like to see them try and stop all those Cardiff City fans, from boozing on the tube, on their way to the cup final! Or any football fans when match day is on.
This was in Boris' manifesto Guido, so it can hardly come as a surprise.
beauty bitch slaps the beast of bollocksinwell said...
The Beast of Clerkenwell.
I think that should be the Pussy of Clerkenwell! Yes Beast, with that posting of yours at 12:00 you show yourself to be a cunt!
Oh well, so tonight I will have to go to bed with some self esteem issues.
*looks at talons, yawns and doesnt give a fuck*
Those that take on The Beast are brave indeed, I always fucking win.
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I do hope no Tories will have the nerve to whinge about any Labour bans from now. As we suspected, you're all the same.
An Annoyed Liberal.
The Beast has been bitch slapped.
"Those that take on The Beast are brave indeed, I always fucking win.
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Shush Beast its way past your bed time! XxXx
beauty bitch slaps the beast again said...
"Those that take on The Beast are brave indeed, I always fucking win.
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You're not THICK AS SHIT under another name are you?
The Beast Of Clerkenwell @ 7.47 PM
You didn't respond to my point so you've hardly 'won' have you?
Anonymong @ 10.03 PM
Beauty Bitch Slaps The Beast again was quoting beast of clerkenwell so you should be asking him if he's thick as shit under another name shouldn't you?
I see a few chav piss heads sulking their tits off 'cos they can't have a drink on the tube. Awwwwwwww, didums. Get a life you sad cows!
Anonyshit said...
"Don't BAN anything, don't MAKE AN OFFENCE out of anything. I can (and will) drink whatever the FUCK I want on the tube. If I'm pissed and twat someone (like this great dribbling blond nobhead) then arrest me. If I'm just having a drink then LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE."
You sound like the kind of cunt that wants banning full stop you cunt.
Talking about banning things. What a prat that pox faced twat Ramsey has made of himself, advocating banning out of season veggies and saying owners of restaurants should be fined for serving them.I would like to stick an out of season, over sized aubergine up the cocks big arse, then at least we wouldn`t to have to listen twats shite. Again another muppet who just don`t get how markets work. I would rather eat a decent battery farmed chicken kebab than beggar meself in one of his overpriced poncey canteens. Another fecking C4 nonce with ideas above his f word station.
Gordon Ramsey, the thinking chavs cunt. He is another scotch prick. Fuck him back up there with the scotch twats from the government.
Cops 1 Lawyers 0
A good start
anonospaz 10.03,
not me, far too flowery.
do try and keep up you dopey spastic.
I get straight to the point.
and as I pick my points well, I do tend to win a lot.
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