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Thursday, April 17, 2008

Setting the Story Straight on Hain's "Surreal" Conspiracy Theory

Some readers have been asking about the Western Mail story about fake emails where Peter Hain dons the cloak of victimhood and complains of a dirty tricks vendetta against him involving Guido. The story has now hit the news wires. This is Guido's side of the story.

Hain claims
"Someone has persistently been sending material designed to discredit me to the right wing Guido Fawkes website. Some of the material has also been sent to the Western Mail. In the main it has been fabricated. My campaign failed and as a result of this scapegoating and these dirty tricks, I have lost my Cabinet job. The whole thing is a surreal nightmare and I don’t know what is behind it."
It is true that Guido got hold of and published Hain's campaign budget. That set in course a chain of events that led eventually to a few small shortfalls becoming public knowledge on the front pages. The small matter, for instance, of £103,000 in hidden campaign donations now under investigation by the police.

Hain knows, though the way he slants it a reader would not know, that Guido did not fall for the fake email scam. Which is what Guido told Peter Black.

Guido didn't publish any of the fake emails or use them. It became clear very early on that as much as Guido might have wanted to believe the tantalising tale they told (they contained nuggets of truth), what became obvious in a short time was somebody pursuing a disinformation agenda. There is clearly someone who has a keen interest in muddying the waters regarding emails. It is not Peter Hain and nor is it Guido. The faker desperately wanted to get the fake emails on this blog, probably to discredit a genuine email that is causing them acute legal difficulties.

Guido doesn't usually like to reveal his dealings with the dead-tree-press but, for the record and for the avoidance of any doubt in this case, Guido can confirm that it was he who gave the story and examples of the faked emails over to the Western Mail's Martin Shipton when the faker realised that Guido was on to him. As the Press Association wire story reports - the faked emails were sent after Peter Hain resigned.

So to be clear:
  • the faked emails started circulating only after Hain resigned.
  • have not so far been published by Guido or anyone else.
  • their existence has come to light because Guido gave them over to the Western Mail's Martin Shipton to investigate.
So nobody should be fooled into thinking Hain was brought down by a dirty tricks campaign based on fake emails. They should ask themselves cui bono? Who has an interest right now in presenting that as the reality? Clue - it isn't Hain or Guido...

75 comments:

Dave B said...

"it isn't Hain or Guido"

Is that a typo? Mr Hain is the one who's making the claim.

Guido Fawkes said...

Not a typo.

DWMF said...

The angle of the dagger definitely appears to coming from the rear. One of Hain's former colleagues - the appalling Balls perhaps?

Anonymous said...

Haie says it has been full of dirty tricks and lies. It has, but the dirty tricks and lies that broung Hain down were perpetrated by Hain.

machiavelli said...
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Anonymous said...

Um - anything to do with Leavingsoon? He's the dirty tricks maestro - being properly exposed because of (genuine) leaked emails. He'd certainly have a motive to muddy the waters, and cast aspersions on "right wing" bloggers.

i'm shit at guessing games said...

Is it Gordon?

Anonymous said...

Who does benefit? Anyone who has had to resign recently as a result of emails posted on this blog, by undermining the credivility of the blog/leaks or someone else who lost their job as a result of the emails. A Spad maybe?

btw - there existence has come to light.. should be their existence...

red despot spotter said...

oh god the slithering parasite that is new labour is starting to ready for a leadership contest , hain for leader by the ??

given harpic has got let off for her little late 64k and of course clegg had quite a bit didnt he , so hains enquiry is still up and running.

i think hes just wanting some pr so he can throw his hat in , i think he ought to go and see mebeki about mugabe , now that south africa is a so much nicer place , jo burg still murder capital of the world eh peter .

the sooner people start seeing just what sort of lying cunts get to make up nu labour the better,

its an organisation that behaves like a charity until the only right you have, is to become a recipient.

labour are a waste of time , history is now proving this , fuck off hain back to your mansion in malaga

Optimist said...

Surely not Mara Carfagna?

Lilith said...

Ken Leavingsoon? Clarence Mitchell? Karen Matthews? Bob Shrum?

TheInsider said...

Here's another clue - which sleazy lobbyist worked for Hain and is facing legal heat over the anonymous donations; and would love to muddy the trail of evidence in which he is caught with is pants down.....

sockpuppet said...

They should ask themselves cui bono?

In the words of The Departed's Sgt Sullivan, cui gives a shit? Another oily nulab self-interested champagne socialist sees the wheel turn agin him. Good.

mitch said...

Would it be "toilets" from the Mirror? he likes to have a pop at you cos he is ...well shit like snotty.

nice to see that the phrase leavingsoon is becoming popular!

Anonymous said...

Is anybody aware of the current state of progress on this investigation:

http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/780459/Lobbying-firm-hails-APPCs-handling-complaint

machiavelli said...

Yes.

transfattyacid said...

Am I missing the point here?

Surely he resigned because he was found to have undeclared donations.

This email business is nothing to do with anything - well anything of significance anyway.

grammar/spell checker having the fucking day off if you dont mind said...

anonycunt 5:09

'btw - there existence has come to light.. should be their existence...'

The Guardian is next door. Kindly fuck off there. Or is it their? No, its definately FUCK OFF THERE!

machiavelli said...

transfattyacid - you've kinda got it.

He did resign because he took donations that weren't declared by those running his campaign - over a hundred grand worth.

The emails, laying the blame at a number of peoples' doors, were distributed after he resigned.

It's not rocket science to work out who's behind it.

Anonymous said...

"My campaign failed and as a result of this scapegoating and these dirty tricks, I have lost my Cabinet job."

Ermm...the little oily cunt's memory has shrunk in the interim.

Let us refresh his memory in that the reason he had to resign was because he broke the law in the matter of declaring donations and was a slimy evasise scumbag in trying to hide the origins of said donations.

getting even shitter at the guessing games said...

TheInsider said...
'Here's another clue - which sleazy lobbyist worked for Hain and is facing legal heat over the anonymous donations; and would love to muddy the trail of evidence in which he is caught with is pants down.....'

Is it Tony Blair?

jeremiah horrocks said...

Breaking news - some tart is about to resign from Gordon Brown's government, none other than Mrs Balls's bag carrier!

The beginning of the end?

Thatsnews said...

In the early part of the 20th century a French pharmacist, Émile 'Coué, came up with a phrase which he had his patients repeat frequently and often: "Every day, and in every way, I am becoming better and
better." This method of auto-suggestion was eventually called Couéism.

Peter Hain uses a similar auto-suggestion technique. But the phrase HE repeats is:
"I am Peter Hain, and I am never to blame, I am Peter Hain, and I am never to blame, I am Peter Hain, and I am never to blame..."

Peter do you remember the rather odd 1970s hit detective series Barretta, with the undercover cop who always carried a parrot? Sammy Davis Jnr sang the title song which contained the line: "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime."

In this context it means: Stop whining. You resigned because of what YOU did, Peter! What's that you say??

"I am Peter Hain, and I am never to blame..."

Oh, OK, Peter... have it your your way.

Anonymous said...

Is Morgan being investigated? I know not.

rspca.co.uk is a domain registered by the RSPCA so curious how an outsider could create the email address. Unless their email and IT outsourced but the faker would need to be a techie or their services rather than party hack or gravy train rider.

cassandra said...

Very very clumsy of Hain and a real botched attempt to play the innocent victim of a smear campaign?

But Hain is a victim isnt he? Hain needs someone to blame for his downfall doesnt he? I mean playing the victim is very popular these days isnt it? Everyones doing it, from the fakers claiming asylum to the isurance scammers falling over in Tescos to black race baiters to crooked polititians to pretty well everyone who is really to blame but cannot face the fact!
NuLabour have created and nourished a whole army of blame shifting victims who will blame anyone else for their own failures and shortcomings!
Hey presto and a large army of ambulance chasing Yuman Rites briefs appear like magic and they are making a fucking financial killing! There are lots and lots of pseudo victims out there and so why not one of the creators of the victim culture? isnt he a victim too? Er yes, he is a victim of his own arrogance and stupidity!

IS IT COS I IS A VICTIM INNIT? YA KNOW WOT I MEAN?
NAA WHERES ME COMPO?

Anonymous said...

Lord Levy???

Tom FD said...

Computer-originated deception? Must be James Purnell.

Tom FD said...

Purnell who, thinking about it, got Hain's job!

peter hain's body oil said...

Hmmm, there are a number of NuLab bloggers out there morbidly obsessed with Guido who practically run a cottage industry in slagging him off - wouldn't put it past one of them.

(BTW, not sure the link to the Western Mail article is working.)

Anonymous said...

Organ Morgan.

Julian said...

As transfattyacid says, I thought that orange-skinned imbecile resigned because we all found out about his dodgy donation declarations? Perhaps he should be weeping about his own lack of jurisprudence and the antics of certain people with the surname of Morgan, rather than be trying to still blame anyone but himself for his own actions.

Get a life Hain you sad old man or, failing that, go and get some decent therapy.

Anonymous said...

I don't know..I mean I really don't know. But would like to, so please tell, or can't you print their name because of some legal thingy?

Anonymous said...

BUSH AND BROWN IN THE ROSE GARDEN NOW - BUSH DOING VERY UNCONVINCING SPEECH..

Gordon's Rocking Horse said...

Who Benefits? Think about it. The whole dodgy donations thing needs a Scapegoat. The Political class on both sides desperately want this shoved under the carpet. Who better to be a ritual sacrifice to placate the masses than none other than the Orange one. Even if the aforementioned sleazy lobbyist is behind it, the whole of Westminster is egging him on!

backwoodsman said...

b ) all of the above ?

molesworth 1 said...

Lee Jasper. Do I have a prize Guido?

Anonymous said...

Got to be Clarence Mitchell.

He once was the voice of Gordon and is now on very hard times indeed.

NuLiebour. Sleazbags, the lot of 'em said...

Phuck phain.

Methinks the permatanned lady protests too much.

Anonymous said...

Was it

Justine McGuinness?

libdem said...

"The whole thing is a surreal nightmare."

Now you know how we feel about this fucking government you orange kunt.

lee Jasper said...

For sure godfather. I az dem fakin jacks Emails all over da crib innit.
Always some hustler lookin to get fly on my time. I uz not done nufin'and theyz try to pin me. Na mean.

If Hain was messed wif , then me uz messed up too, by some sneaky batty Xerox some stuff and fakin it out.
You got some beef with THE LEE?
Them crab Baby Momma's never flap the yap!

Boris dun set me up. And setup the Kenster too .Maybe dun Homeboy Hain too!

mitch said...

That labour ministers from the treasury has changed her mind!! should have upgraded.

Anonymous said...

A couple of song ideas for YouTube..

Do a version of Godley and Creme's 'Wedding Bells' where the phrase 'You wanted me to the Permatanned One' is inserted...

A version of the 'Dawning of Aquarius ' from 'Hair' with the chorus 'This is the dawning of the Age of the Boris, Age of the Boris, The Bo-or-is..'

No ? Oh well, please yourselves..

Anonymous said...

I'm betting the Regimental Funds on that Dai Llama
a)He's obviously Welsh with a name like that
b)He wears orange
c)Has anyone else noticed that ever since Hain resigned he's everywhere in the news so he's an obvious beneficiary

javelin said...

Peter - Boo hoo, you're a REAL victim I feel so sorry for you and your fake tan.

You'd feel alot better if you had some dirt on Brown to send to the left-wing Guido (he has the same email address as the right wing Guido) and unlike the right-wing Guido he can be trusted with what you send to him.

Anonymous said...

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/04/michael_whites_political_blog_131.html

Wonder what you make of Michael White's point here ? Sure the Standard has a low standard of journalism, but still it strikes me as wandering too close to being an apologist for someone who, if not advocating, certainly sympathises with suicide bombers..

Englishman said...

The emails real or false are irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned Hain has got his very belated comeuppance for disrupting a cricket tour. CRICKET!

I hope and pray that the orange opportunist will pay for his later crimes in due course, and be reduced to a lower level than a poor rough sleeper that I met today.

Where is the justice when an ex-soldier had his sleeping bag stolen from the corner he had bedded down in, and scum like Hain have been lording it over us until recently.

May they all rot in hell. Especially Leavingsoon and Jonah.

City of Vice said...

Who cares what Hain thinks? He's a sleazy shit who most people are glad to see the back of. And we've seen the back of Hain because of the information Guido put on his site, not what he 'didn't' put on it.

This is a clear case of the Hain trying to garner sympathy with the political classes as a means of crawling back to the trough.

The important point is Hain knows Guido got him. More to the point, our political rulers know Guido got him. This is a bad precedent - for them. They ain't happy. After all who's next?

Anonymous said...

Why would Hain worry when he can so easily join Meddlesom as a Euro-Gauleiter ?

More power, even less responsibility.

Monstrous Cuntery.

Morgan's mum said...

Definitly NOT S Morgan. Absolutely not Steve. No sir.

Anonymous said...

Do you know guido or are you just trolling?

Minekiller said...

Guido, I am glad Mr Hain reads this blog. I suggest he goes to renew his 'political career' in the southern part of Africa where I am sure his pal Mugabe could fix up a 'job' for him.

Though I think the ex-Bn32ers would like to talk to him first....

Dirty Tricks campaign? Does Mr Hain get 'irony'

Anonymous said...

How many BBC Staffers in Washington ?

Nick and Crick et al on the jolly licence fee jaunt

Ed Ballsup said...

So what?

Anonymous said...

Morgan the Organ

Bet you'll delete this.

Anonymous said...

Shergar?

Anonymous said...

Definitely voting UKIP and English Democrats had enough of two parties which is only one up on a dictatorship; and since they think the same NWO stuff: FUCK 'EM and FUCK BORIS!

Bill Quango MP said...

Thatsnews said...Peter Hain says
"Every day, and in every way, I am becoming better and
better."

Don't you mean "Every day, and in every way, I am becoming bitter and
bitter."

Dolittle said...

The gain for Hain stays mainly down the drain.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone considered referring these forgeries to South Wales Police? I'm sure they would be well worth investigating.

machiavelli said...

The only thing "surreal" about this is that Hain believes his resignation had nothing to do with taking £100 grand of illegal donations, and everything to do with a load of emails forged by "sources close to" Hain that were produced (in the fullest sense!) after he resigned...

thick as thieves said...

peter hain is a lying cunt, a dishonourable man. frankly I couldn't give a fuck about anything this spastic has to say.
gordon brown and peter hain are classic cases of people who are simply unable to take personal responsibility for their own actions. whenever new labour are caught out they always blame someone else. it is exactly the same mentality paedophiles have, blaming the victims for the paedophile's own criminal behaviour.
you are a sick cunt hain.
fucking zombie.

Penfold said...

Mumh interesting or should that be MAM we've been sussed and are in the shit even deeper.

Hain is a snivelling git, he got himself in this mess and this time round there's no BOSS to get him off. Just love the whinging and croc tears.
Must have been him who gave Gordo the orange smear. Must have used turmeric ti curry favour...

M person of no fixed political abode said...

Maybe, for old time's sake, he should ask the BARCLAY Brothers for help? What's that? Wrong Barclays? Oh. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. So it is him. Did Hain collude in the fake emails, about which he then protests?

Play it right and you could destroy both of them.

Anonymous said...

Guido,

PLEASE pass all these to the South Wales Police. Also save the S Welsh plods some work by forwarding them also to the Met since it's possible they may have originated from computers not unadjacent to City Hall.

Anonymous said...

Morgan?

Anonymous said...

Even if South Wales Police are not interested in the forged emails, I am sure the Association of Professional Political Consultants would be. Given that their investigation of Morgan Allen Moore is focused on the alleged use of the company's offices for inappropriate campaigning purposes, I am sure they would be fascinated to learn that somebody went to the trouble of forging emails that purport to confirm the company's central defence.

tat the twat said...

thick as thieves said...
'peter hain is a lying cunt, a dishonourable man. frankly I couldn't give a fuck about anything this spastic has to say.'

Jesus, I didn't realise TAT shat had so much in common with Peter Hain.

javelin said...

Better to fake smear emails than smear fake tan - me thinks.

Anonymous said...

We would welcome Hain back here in SA.

A little trek into the bush with mein favourite sambok and the family Boerbel, Fanie, would guarantee a good time for all concerned.

Anonymous said...

The Shitty Charlatan has got so much on his plate! The police, presumably the banks now that his revenue source has dried up and he has to rely on an MP's pauper salary and of course his mum whom we had all been paying for.
He should try for a post in Mugabe's cabinet - it's about his level, tangoed twat.

heye brow said...

Once again I'm orange with anger at Pain.

YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE IN GOVERNMENT AGAIN YOU PERMATANNED PATRONIZING FUCK.

thick as thieves said...

retard 12.59,
is that the best you've got?
you fucking idiot.
and can you tell us your view on brown stealing food from the tables of the poor by doubling their tax liability?
your problem is that you and your fellow zanulab zombies have no morals.
and that is what will do for your 'social justice' bullshit party.
keep sniping and showing people what a bunch of cunts the new labour war party members are.
you are doing my job for me.
thankyou for being such a spastic.

thick as thieves said...

everytime you ask the zanulab zombies their view on gordon brown ripping off poor people, they just disappear.
good innit.


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