Leaked Labour Party Document Shows Quality of FCO Analysis
The Foreign Secretary's SpAd, Madlin Sadler,* put together a briefing on today's European Union Bill Third Reading for Labour MPs. Brushing aside the fact that the taxpayer should not be paying Madlin Sadler to produce Labour Party briefings in breach of the Code for SpAds, it makes an extraordinary claim:
"The Tories are isolated in Europe. Their position is the biggest foreign policy failure since the 1930s."
So the Tory plan to pull out of the EPP factional grouping arrangements is worse than Suez, Vietnam or the Iraq War? This is the view of the Miliband's personal Special Adviser? Obviously Madlin has a deep sense of historical perspective...
You can download the full briefing here, Guido has digitally disguised the source of the leak because it has a warning on every page stating:
PLP briefings are the property of the Labour party. They are confidential and are for the use of registered members only. Any publishing or dissemination of PLP political briefing is prohibited and may be unlawful.
With New Labour's characteristic inability to distinguish between party and state they seem to fail to realise that a document produced by a civil servant, in office hours at the taxpayer's expense should by rights not be the property of the Labour Party. So sue Guido...
*Madlin is the daughter of Blairite MP Barry Sheerman. Another no doubt meritocratic appointment from the people's party.
UPDATE : Guido accepts that there is a loophole provision in the Code permitting SpAds to produce briefings for MPs on government policy. This is not a briefing on government policy, it is a crib sheet on Tory policy and positions intended to be used to attack the Conservative position in media interviews and in the chamber. This breaches the spirit and the letter of the Code. There is in any case no way a taxpayer funded document produced by civil servants can become the exclusive property of the PLP. These type of briefing documents should be produced by Labour HQ at their own expense, not the taxpayers expense. If the PLP would care to test this proposition in court Guido is more than ready.
*Madlin is the daughter of Blairite MP Barry Sheerman. Another no doubt meritocratic appointment from the people's party.
UPDATE : Guido accepts that there is a loophole provision in the Code permitting SpAds to produce briefings for MPs on government policy. This is not a briefing on government policy, it is a crib sheet on Tory policy and positions intended to be used to attack the Conservative position in media interviews and in the chamber. This breaches the spirit and the letter of the Code. There is in any case no way a taxpayer funded document produced by civil servants can become the exclusive property of the PLP. These type of briefing documents should be produced by Labour HQ at their own expense, not the taxpayers expense. If the PLP would care to test this proposition in court Guido is more than ready.
81 comments:
The real shame here is trees were killed for that load of old tosh.
Can we leave now??.
I would rather take my chances out of this crooked club for failed socialists and family members.
There should be a referendum every five years to leave cos im 43 and no one asked me but they happily take my money with menaces.
CUNTS ALL!
i can remeber a few years ago when a tory told me to watch these bastards , at the time i though all the SpAds were just a bit of colour , but all the time it was it was taking power away from parliment , the press brief , the previously unknown social group, the patsy politician interview.
just think of that big screen in oceana with gordon brown using verbs "it is right to do so" "the people of oceana" "the little children of oceana with courage"
fuck me we have 1984 but without the overt police stasi.
its like v said they are making a trigger for there own revolution , and the arronovitches of this world just see as a chance for there experiment , to liberate the people, from the shackles .
just what fuckin shackles , given that food prices are going through the roof, just what fuckin shackels of common sense does david arronovitch and his mighty fuckin head want to liberate us from .
new labour foreign policy on Iraq has been the biggest foreign policy failure since the 1930's.
since the first world war infact.
PLEASE tell me the comedy writing was original!!!
The vast majority of the subjects of HRH, note subjects not citizens who need to swear allegiance, want out of the EU. We have survived, indeed thrived, on our own governing ourselves before AND will do again, thank you very much.
If only Mr Cameron would make this his No 1 commitment to the voters, he would be carried into No 10 shoulder high by a deleriously happy electorate.
OK we want and end to the sleaze too, but a promise to rid us of being ruled from Brussels IS the Holy Grail.
Guido, you don't appear to understand the purpose of special advisers. They are the ONLY civil servants who are exempt from the rules on political impartiality. Preparing party political material is precisely what they are employed for. You may not agree with that, but that is why they are there.
Is that ludicrous font used throughout original?
Tell me it isn't so!
Below are a couple of relevant extracts from the code of conduct for special advisers which explicitly permit what Madlin Sadler was doing. The document is not a breach of the code.
2. Special advisers are employed to help Ministers on matters where the work of Government and the work of the Government Party overlap and where it would be inappropriate for permanent civil servants to become involved. They are an additional resource for the Minister providing assistance from a standpoint that is more politically committed and politically aware than would be available to a Minister from the permanent Civil Service.
3. The sorts of work a special adviser may do if their Minister wants it are:
vi. helping to brief Party MPs and officials on issues of Government policy;
So Bertie is going to call the Irish Referendum 'sometime' in June - such decisiveness!
The Beeb tell us that Hungary has ratified the new constitution - big deal, they have sided with the Germans before.
As for this being 'the biggest foreign policy failure since the 30s'. Yes it is, it is a failure lead by Brown and Milliband where the phrase "total surrender" best describes it.
A wonderful leak! More, more!
Is Madlin the non-U version of Maudlin?
Oh Gawd, not more of this 'thought police stuff written in newspeak.
Look, it's very simple. Labour Socialism is dead. It died with cl4.4. All they now have is deceit and spin. It's a very short journey from deceit and spin to lies and Newspeak. Look out! Here come the thought police.
The thing that defeats me is that they can still find recruits. Is there a special supply of clever fuckwits just waiting to show how brainy they are? Where do they all come from? Where?
FUCKING HELL! I am really fed up with them. Now then where's my little black book. (Notes: Madlin - nearly as stupid as Hilary - Sadler - Now that's poetic - she is about as sad as it gets). Right, miake myself a man of straw and forward to the barricades! Who's with me?
NuLab - a herd of nasty bastards - they just keep coming up with this sort of rubbish on the assumption that if they say it enough times we'll all believe it - what the bastards will do for money and to stay in power is breathtaking - 1984 was nirvana compared to Brown and his dishonest, cheating, money grabbing rabble. In the trough lads......
Dear Mr Blair,
Further to our offer to you of the position as President of Europe.
We have discussed your demands and have agreed to the following points:
1] Palace in Tuscany/ weekend place in Geneva.
2] Title of First Lady for Mme Booth
3] Very well paid but pointless role for Mme Booth.
4] Full salary, gold plated pension, expenses, foreign travel arrangements will all be agreed too.
5] You may have as many other roles/directorships/interests as you wish.
6]You will be paid for all your speeches and appearances at your current rate; including at the UN and EU as you requested.
7] We are looking at 23rd April for Saint Anthony's day
We regret however in some of the points we are experiencing some difficulty.
1] The €300 note featuring a likeness of yourself.
2] A private train.
3] Making your speeches from the balcony of St Peters in Rome
4] Mr Campbell as head of European Media.
5]Any position at all for Mr Prescott
6]A release from your middle east role
7]Blair Day to replace Mayday as European Holiday day
8] A presidential plane called Airforce Two
9]The new EU anthem to be "things can only get better"
and
10]Gordon Brown to kiss your ring at the presidential ceromony
We will try and resolve these issues when we meet next week in Paris.
Presumably Labour would argue that they are not and never have been “isolated in Europe”.
What has that achieved for us?
I think using the Blackadder font in that document portrays a certain irony to that pile subversive crap.
“The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr. Brain has long since departed, hasn't it, Madlin”
I entirely agree, after the Constitution we have no option but to come out of the Empire as soon as possible.
Cameron however cannot say that, because the BBC would not let him do. If he did he would get wall-to-wall hostility.
He can only say things that are BBC-approved.
Whilst the corrupt BBC News have this power, democracy is a sham.
What a cretin!Unbelieveable.
Still it is good to see that Labour still believes in the hereditary principle.If she had got that job on merit,I would have been even more alarmed.
Do you really mean to say someone on a salary wrote that tosh? If they can't get better SpAds than that there's no hope for them but much more hope for the rest of us. Much as I loathe the EU, all its works and especially the creeps who are selling us out to it, I could write a better brief on its behalf than the prat who wrote that. Like they say, 'Can't get the staff'.
would that be the same Barry Sheerman who was caught on film swanning about in exotic far eastern hotels at taxpayer's expense?
Jesus look at the font! That's appalling, the kind of fonts one would normally expect to see in a teenagers blog. Yeuch.
You say that "Madlin is the daughter of Blairite MP Barry Sheerman".
With a choice of font like the one used in that document, is she about 9 years old?
Any need for the ridiculous font or did they not want anyone to bother reading it?
Good grief, what a rotten piece of writing that was. The English is terrible, the arguments crass, no evidence to support the conclusions... I could go on. Even in these depleted times, I hope rubbish like that wouldn't be marked too highly in, say, an A level assignment. The thought that in some small way I actually paid for it is little short of disgusting. The only bit that gave me any pleasure was the implicit theme throughout of how scared of the Tories the government is now.
So, the message is we must be afraid of upsetting our Euro brethren, in case they chuck us out and 3 million jobs go down the Swannee. Yes, well,...
Where was the acknowledgement of our substantial nett financial contribution to the EU? Or our negative trade balance with them? In short, we pay for vast amounts of what the EU does, and we provide them with a big market (dumping ground?) for what they produce.
Without the UK, more particularly without the UK's money, the EU would implode. If we could ever find a government with the balls to use it, our negotiating position is vastly strong. The idea of drawing back our relationship with the EU to a free trade area is totally credible, workable and not a risk to the "3 millions". It gets my vote.
So we are paying these bastards to give the government laughable advice. Or to put it another way, the government is paying these people (with our money) to make comforting noises for the Labour party.
Keep up the good work, Guido.
I note the Labour party have no problem with the concept – “The European Parliament’s main role is to consider laws proposed by the Commission and approve them in agreement with the Member States” No choice there then!
This is little better than a child’s regurgitation left wing “Truth”, that this person is paid at all is a disgrace. I suggest she reads more blogs (like this one)
What is it with the My Little Pony font?
i remember using that font for a geography project in primary school. it looked like puerile shit in that, too
Fuck me! If someone had presented me with this piece of utter shite at work I'd have got my red pen out and really gone to town on it!
It is a suck up report. It is designed to say exactly what the 'author' believes the recipient wants to read.
She has her tongue so far up their backsides that she will be able to polish their eyeballs from the inside!
Poorly researched, quotes taken out of context, and badly written.
Useless piece of trash by an intellectually challenged lightweight hack.
And these are, presumably, the same economically illiterate pillocks who advise The Big Swinging Claymore and his buddy, Darling Darling, and who try to tell us we have never had it so good!
God help us all!
Peter Grimes
Unlawful my arse! A breach of the Official Secrets Act? I think not! They would like to make it so, to make the law inseperable from the furtherance of their party aims, but wish on!
Keep up the good leaks, anything to damage these evil mendacious liars, even if this is absolute dross written in the Stalinist style of telling the leader exactly what he wants to hear - regardless of veracity!
Anon 6.02: I believe the comedy font is Guido's "digital disguise"..
However the comedy logic of the document seems frighteningly genuine...A mirthful mix of believing that simply because one asserts something, it is therefore true along with some rather childish ad hominems make this document comedy gold...Guido are you sure this Madlin Sadler has left 6th form yet??
Oh, right, Sep Blatter is backing it. Nuff said, must be a good idea, then...
I very much doubt whether anyone in their right mind read the document for the simple reason that it is unreadable. Not just the verbiage but also the script would make it incomprehensible to even the most ardent Brownite such as the catspaw.
One interesting point. The Govt is going on about reducing carbon emissions today. But last September, BP, Rio Tinto and Southern & Scottish withdrew from a North Sea project which would have reduced emissions by a very substantial amount.The life of the Miller gas field could have been v substantially extended The reason was that Darling dithered and could not make a decision
Today the CAA said that Spanish controlled BAA could raise landing charges at Gatwick and Heathrow equivalent to £14 a ticket. Who did not check whether the Spaniards had adequate resources to buy BAA - Darling when he ran Trade and Industry or whatever it was called the time.
I have never seen a professional document (!?) use such weird fonts.
The author must be unhinged, and without any supervision.
From http://adamboulton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/11/nice-work-if-yo.html
"At the Foreign Office, two special advisers known in Whitehall as "Trinny and Susannah", Madline Sadler and Sarah Shaefer, do a job-share and earn £64,056-£99,450 between them.
Madlin is the daughter of the Labour MP Barry Sheerman and Sarah is a former political correspondent on The Independent and wife of Matthew D'Ancona, the editor of the Spectator who has ambitions to edit The Times."
There is no hope.....
I have stated so on a previous post, about Labour strangely spinning for the Conservative Party, and Cameron in particular.
Leaving the EU would indeed be the holy Grail for David Cameron. But I am sure he knows as well as I do, that it CAN NOT HAPPEN, under any circumstances currently imaginable.
All we can to do is hope for EU laws to be covertly ignored by our government and/or the people. Or some other country to somehow, put a very large unexpected spanner in the EU works.
IMO Cameron is spinning for all he is worth on this issue. What surprises me is that the Labour Party are helping him get away with it.
Having said that. There is no one on this planet that hopes Cameron sticks to the road he seems to be on, more then myself.
He might try very hard to reform this in your face obviously undemocratic fascist European Hegemony. But will one day have to admit to virtually complete failure.
But still at least he may have enjoyed a few tax payer funded limos and sorted himself an extremely well payed, Tony Blair type job somewhere in New York. So whats a few bullshit lies between friends?
At least Cameron will be able to say he tried, which is certainly more the either Gordon Brown or Tony Blair can now ever do.
Please remember people that although the EU is possibly the worst thing that could have ever happened to this country short of a Nazi victory or nuclear war with the old USSR.
There are still plenty of highly doable things a sensible decent Conservative government can do, to make the worse aspects of our truly potentially horrific EU nightmare, a little less nightmarish.
Keep voting Labour and we will never wake up even for a second.
ATLAS shrugged
PLP briefing
Prime Minister Gordon Brown.
Special polling report
by Madlin Sadler
The People Love You.The People Love You.The People Love You.The People Love You.The People Love You.The People Love You.The People Love You.The People Love You.
So that'll be the same Madlin Sadler that lobbied hard against EU environmental proposals when a spin merchant for Ford Motors is it?
Funny that she now promotes the view that Europe is the best hope the environment.
Still, guess she'll say anything if it pays well.
What a cunt and I say that knowing she's Sheermans "daughter"
Proves the old saying not every cunt is useful
Could someone explain how 3.5 million jobs are at risk if Britain doesn't agree the EU treaty?
Please God rid us of this contemptible Labour party.
I weep for the future.
Apart from the basic failures of logic, and total lack of economic literacy, she can't spell: "Hypocrits"
I have read nearly all of it - and I wondered why I squander my life away so thoughtlessly.
As the people say, it is badly written, poorly argued, puerile, and without evidence. All the old, discredited europhile arguments are regurgitated without a trace of shame or irony.
None of the EU's faults are analysed or even acknowledged. The lack of democracy and accountability; the huge costs for minimal benefits even for flagship policies like the single market; the UK's massive contributions; the corruption; the stupefying one-size-fits-all rules and so on.
Please can we leave now.
Aw shucks, lay off the poor dyslexic kid, since she can't even spell her own name properly, how could she be expected to think sensibly?
The Labour Government needs to be taken to court for misuse of the public money having requested and forced FCO/Civil Servants to produce this Labour Party crap.
The FCO/Civil Servants need to be fired for being in beach of the Civil Servant code for not being political.
Also anyone using such a silly ye olde worlde font needs to see a doctor and go on some form of medication.
However I'm glad to notice that OpenOffice.org software was used rather than Microsoft.
Nicolas Sarkozy - brilliant, ta very much!
Now where's the whisky and revolver, I may be some time.
lola
unfortunately we dont have enough silver to make the bullits to kill off all the zombies , gordon sold it off !!
But gordon is priming the fuse, so not to the barricades just yet. We are getting told that an offer of foreign unity is the only future . It isnt, european association is perfectly acceptable , he wont allow the referendum which would have solved the matter . He dithers , he lies , he double speaks. He is running out of political time at our expense.
unfortunately he is now faced with , bluff . i said last year he is a nut job. The last thing you need as PM who is a nut job supported by physcophants. All he had to do was give a proper debate and referendum . I see milliband tried the line of labours parlimentary majority as a right to get lisbon through you could hear the veg getting thrown.
if they dont get by now god have mercy on them .
But yeah lola when it comes why not , weve been fucked over by this lot big time i dont like what they have to offer Id cards , pay per mile, trackin monitoring you all your life .
its bollocks socialist leftest bollocks .
come on gordon face your music see if you still have a parlimentary majority , because if you dont you should give us that referendum .
also mr purnell what exactly does universal uptake mean eh ??
This document is hilarious. "Tory Bashing for Dummies".
I'm 30. Throughout my whole adult life, each new treaty has been just a tidying up exercise, nothing to worry about, not worth a referendum... but look where we are now.
When am I actually going to get a say about the EU?!
BBC where doew your money go? - Al Jazeera style TV for Arab countries to enjoy!.
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's public broadcaster the BBC launched an Arabic television service on Tuesday with funding from the government to provide what it said would be independent news, analysis and current affairs.
(Advertisement)
The corporation said the channel would broadcast for an initial 12 hours a day to anyone with a satellite or cable connection in North Africa, the Middle East or the Gulf, before moving to a 24-hour operation later this year.
It will complement the BBC Arabic radio service that is already available and bbcarabic.com, both of which have been relaunched.
"We are encouraged that independent research consistently shows an appetite for a BBC Arabic television channel," Nigel Chapman, the director of BBC World Service, said in a statement.
"The main reason people give is quite simple -- it is because they believe the BBC will provide an independent news service they could trust."
BBC Arabic will compete with popular Arabic satellite channels including Al Arabiya and Al Jazeera, which was founded in 1996 after the collapse of a television joint venture between the BBC World Service and Saudi-owned distributor Orbit.
The channel will draw on the corporation's extensive newsgathering operation, which includes over 250 correspondents reporting from 72 bureaux around the world.
It will have a budget of 25 million pounds per year and the government said last year it would contribute 6 million pounds of that to allow the service to run for 24 hours a day.
(Reporting by Kate Holton; Editing by Dominic Evans)
Milliband would have joined Hitler in the third reich given his eagerness to jump out of democracy and into an unelected fascist state!
why did we protect this great prosperous land and its fine democracy in WW2? if we listened to Millband we could have gone into fascism 60-70 years ago!
still if milliband has a craving for fascism the likes of which may lead to war and gas chambers, and mass corruption then who are we to argue? it`s only OUR country!
oh BTW David, i dont see India in the EU but they seem to be doing rather well, still fascists do love their propaganda dont they!
if we dont pull out of the EU we will have a crisis, like Germany invading Russia or other territories that do not belong to it after bullying them to join the third riech, opressing millions and sending millions to their deaths.
Dave If you do not save our democracy YOU will be scored as a traitor to England for all time.
still William Hague has just announced the Tories will not pull out of Europe, so the tories just lost my vote and my respect.
Heil the forth reich!
instead of everyone getting a copy of mein kampf we will get a copy of `courage` by Fuhrer brown, distributed by goebels milliband.
and latest delux edition complete with new photoshopped image of Brown and a glowing forward by herr Cameron and rudolf hague.
wouldnt we all liked to have stopped Hitler and the Nazis BEFORE the Jews were gassed?
take a hint Brown, Labour, the EU and the Tories - the public said fuck off, here is the footage of the impromptu referenda as provided by Guido -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf_-x9quxWU
it is a very clear FUCK OFF - EU.
Dave take note or this will be the nicest reception you can expect everywhere you and your MPs go in public should you not pull us out of the EU.
To: I'll Be Your SpAD.
I've been saying this for years, but Cameron's head is so far up his arse, surrounded as he is by prize wankers like Goldsmith, Osborne and Letwin, that he can't see the writing on the fucking wall! Nor, evidently does "Dave" nor any of his "team" read the comments section of most of the prints where it would be even more apparent to the stupid cunt.
The TOADY SHOW is spinning for NuLiebour and Darling this AM!
Just one thing you fucking socialist glove puppets, Darling had nothing to do with the budget! Darling is a fucking tape recorder and nothing more!
Gordon Brown wrote the budget and Gordon Brown decided on the contents of 'red box'.
WTF?
Gordon Brown might as well put a fucking parrot on the despatch box BUT will the useless Tories say anything?
Dont hold your breath!
Gordon Brown cannot do anything apart from raise taxes as he has wasted and frittered all our money away like the thick deluded cunt he is!
Gordon Browns dummy will spout all the usual fake eco AGW nonsense but its all a beard for higher taxes.
The fuckwits at the TOADY SHOW want shooting in the fucking head.
BASTARDS ALL!
Is someone going to make a formal complaint about the SpAd doing this on taxpayers time?
Don't these idiots realise that tehy have beenrumbled?
Repeating vacuous lines against the Tories will getthem precisely nowhere.
Labour parked the EU issue at the last election by promising a referendum on the reforms. Then they broke that promise.
They are lying bastards and nobody believes them. SPIN THAT!
They managed to snuff out "Civil Serf" PDQ, using office time to write a political blog etc etc.
The font changes are Guido's little joke.
Is the Tory stance on Europe the worst since 1930 (your date), my honest answer is yes.
Is the Tory position in Europe a fatal blunder by the party machine, my honest answer is yes.
Will die hards give Dave a hard time if he attempts to correct the party position, my honest answer is yes.
Will the Tories lose yet another election if they don't alter this unneccesary position, my honest answer is yes.
Do I give a fuck if they lose, my honest answer is no fucking chance.
Have fun, losers.
Gary
The Treaty of Lisbon will enable the EU leaders to choose a full time President of the European Council who will hold the post for two and a half years. The President will chair meetings and help drive through policies agreed by the member states.
Sorry, BIG mistake. Tony Blair will never accept that the promised "Il Duce di tutti Europa" position is subject to a 2 and a half year limit. Barry Sheerman needs to give his little girl a reminder that you don't piss off Il Consigliari (Cherie) ... not unless you really want to wind up lying in a field with a bottle of tablets and your veins slit open.
I asked John Redwood whether he could ever see Cameron taking us out the EU. Amazingly, for a politician, he gave me a straight answer and that was (surprise surprise) no.
That was it for me and the not the Conservative party. UKIP is now the only mainstream party offering a route out of the EU. They get my vote from now on.
If this is the quality of thought and analysis floating around the senior echelons of NuLab it's hardly surprising that we're in this shambolic state.
This is sixth-form, maybe fifth-form, stuff. She deserves a jolly good slap.
3/10. Must try harder.
These so called briefings go on all the time - at least two a day.
assuming i read it correctly there is an exit clause-'For the first time, the Lisbon Treaty will co nfirm that any Member State
can leave the EU if it wants.'
Lets get out asap.....as usual our politicians in liebor,cons and libs just want to do what is best for them.they seem to be obsessed with power.....so what if the power of our vote goes from 8% to 12%? Most of us just want to get on with our lives and are not on an ego trip......for which we are ALL personally paying with taxes.......SWITZERLAND seems to do ok without the EU so why shouldnt we?we can trade but we do not need to give our country away!!!!!!!
Tell me another country that would just lie down and die? Chamberlain tried to appease that nice austrian chap and now Brown etc are carrying on the tradition.
I gave up reading that ridiculous typeface. What does Milliballs think this is? The Magna fucking Carta?
this stuff reminds me of the harry enfield sketches about tory boy(cant remember what the labour one was called).......
it is truly PATHETIC...talking about democracy,hypocrisy,improvement of our road safety?
such shameless bollocks..
bofl
Who is this worthless bitch?
No one, not even a NuLab SpAd could believe this drivel.
As for their indignation about a Tory assault on Parliamentary democracy....
I haven't smoked in 20 years, but I might just take it up again.
We should be manning the barricades and stock-piling piano wire.
Gary of Stoke.
Do yourself a favour. Pop out, get yourself a nice pie, several oat cakes and some Titanic beer.
And do us a favour and do not come back.
i'm left wondering why of all prominent europeans the document quotes as supporting the treaty they chose Sepp Blatter, a non EU national who is constantly fighting corruption allegations
90 % of the country wants a referendum.
The useless Tory party won't promise one if elected.
The latest opinion polls put the Tories merely 3 % ahead, against the worst bunch of incompetents, since Wilson ran the country into the ground.
How stupid do you have to be, to not see a connection there.
ooooh, looks like there is a spy in the camp.
Look knob, oat cakes is spelt oatcakes,therefore you are a fake, unlike me who is the genuine article.
You havenever lived unless you have tried an oatcake. This is what spurs me on to crush Tories, everywhere.
Now fuck off cunt.
Gary
Anon 12:14
They may or may not be useless. But thats not the point.
They are trying their best to be practical, by keeping expectations as low as possible. They can only do what they will be allowed to do. Leaving the EU is certainly not one of them, under any circumstances under the Sun, imaginable.
A 'Thatcher' would be done to Cameron, and a 'Major' would be done to our economy. If the powers that run this world started to seriously believe Cameron had the slightest real intention of leaving Our New Ruling Establishment Class Neo-Fascist European Super State.
But if it helps remember this.
Cameron has every possible intention of becoming the next prime minister of this, more important, more rich, more powerful, more influential, then our BBC/media will ever let us fully understand, medium sized, European Province.
In my personal opinion Cameron is more highly intelligent, clever and talented then anyone else in the entire CPP, and then some. Therefore he has a better chance of achieving his goal then anyone I can think of.
If you believe this countries almost complete decline to a Fascist authoritarian 1984 type nightmare is best managed by a socialist rather then a conservative PM.
Then just carry on voting Labour or Lib/Dem. Because this really is your only Hobson's choice. Whatever anyone on this planet may, or much more likely, may NOT tell you.
( The BBC as we should all know, are highly brainwashed or trained propagandists and therefore lying cunts of the 'third degree' at least. So for your own sake please dont wait for them to tell you anything important whatsoever for the rest of eternity.)
I of course are not on this planet at all. I just hold the place up.
Let me tell you, it is fast becoming a very thankless and pointless pain in the back-side. I may just decide to drop the silly place reasonably soon, so watch out.
Atlas shrugged.
they used the arguments listed in the report. listen to 'today in parliment' on radio 4 from tuesday. it's toward the end - worth a smile
It was designed for use by the sheep in the PLP so of course it was full of one-dimensional, black and white, trivial, simple and easy to remember one liners.
Says a lot for the honesty, integrity and intelligence of the PLP.
@ Gary Elsby stoke 9:37
Piss off back to Labour HQ and pick up yer wages.
what's with the post-thumscrew-torture font? looks like something guido has knocked up himself. or else madlin sadler like pretty looking words. ?
6:58 AM
12:42 PM
stick yer otcakes up yer arse elby.
they'll 'ave company there they will and'll maybe produce lots o little otcakes
12:42 PM
oooooooh! I just love making honey oatcakes, gary. I used to bake them downunder.
Ma Cleansqueak
It wasn't me, honest!
I think we should leave Gary Elsby alone, I think he has a point how wank we all are.
I agree with John, we were all getting our end away as the Country burned. We are crap and everyone knows it.Gary is at least honest in reminding us.
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