Police as "Judge and Jury" Hallmark of a Police State
That New Labour simply has no respect for civil liberties is now axiomatic and one of the reasons why Guido thinks that in a hung parliament, the Cleggies will be wary of a coalition with Labour.
Big Jacqui wants drug dealer's assets to be seized as soon as a suspect is arrested. No trial, no jury, no conviction required, just the say so of the police. That is not the British way, it is the way of a police state.
Big Jacqui wants drug dealer's assets to be seized as soon as a suspect is arrested. No trial, no jury, no conviction required, just the say so of the police. That is not the British way, it is the way of a police state.
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Errr... 'the British way'?
I think Britain started being dismantled about ten years ago. I'm afraid there is no such a thing as 'the British way'.
How about seizing an MP's assets as soon as he or she is accussed of financial irregularities?
This legislation means that the state will be able to confiscate assets from suspected criminals and not have to give them back if the accused is found not guilty. This is all part of the Labour Government's desire to move us to a situation where the citizens only own what the Labour Government deem appropriate for us to own. The end game is near 100% taxation and a system of benefits for us to claim if we want any money of our own; after all who knows better than Gordon Brown how much each of us needs to live on?
Now that my boys would require a repeal of the Bill of rights!
Grants of Forfeitures.
That all Grants and Promises of Fines and Forfeitures of particular persons before Conviction are illegall and void.
NuLab = Police state!
There is no such thing as justice and Brown.
Do you know that most pensioners and low paid earners will have their income tax increased in April because Brown abolished the 10% threshold in his last budget!
It's not your money. It's Gordon's. All of it. If you fill in the right 60 page form, he might let you borrow some.
I stand to be corrected, but doesn't the Magna Carta still form part of statute law? I'm certain it contains a section along the lines of "no-one's assets will be seized by the Crown without fair trial"
Smith's comments on "Today" were a disgrace, and very frightening.
When the interviewer pointed that this went against a "principle" of British law ("innocent until proven guilty"), Smith said, I paraphrase, "...And that's why we are changing the law."
She is thick, and because she is thick and also powerful, she is dangerous.
Never mind drug dealers' assets. Kipper of the Yard has bigger fish to fry.
In the worst example of political crime this year - if not this century - Boris is being pursued for lifting an abandoned cigar case from the wrecked home of Saddam Hussein's deputy prime minister five years ago.
Does one detect the slimy hand of Leninshit on this one?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/27/nboris127.xml
Meanwhile criminals are released early to kill people.
Seems right for this bunch of useless incompetents.
they cant even provide enough prison places for those breaking their stupid laws now.
everything that is announced by govt is a smokescreen. just an attempt to get some publicity to arrest their plummeting ratings
I think socialism should be banned as it has a proven link with massacres of the bourgeoisie, misappropriation of private property and indolence and hopelessness of the working masses. Champagne socialism is especially dangerous with its association with the consumption of intoxicating liquor and excessive chattering. I propose that informal groups of "socialist saboteurs" be set up to disrupt meetings of known or suspected socialists - Guardian readers, BBC management and journalists, scousers, lowland Scots, Welsh windbags, members of the NUT and NUM, Kevin Maguire and Polly Toynbee - until the appropriate legislation can be put in place. The State should then seize the assets of all those on the "socialist offenders' register" on the grounds of ideological consistency.
Surely the voters of Redditch can't be so think to return La Smith at the next General Election? The Redditch Declaration could be one to look forward to.
Is it too much for this useless Home Sec to sort out problems associated with lost data base details? I just hope that she has sorted out her expenses.
So not content with the removal of double jepody, La Smith wan't to bend the rules to proove innocence rather than guilt.
In Tellytubby Land there was an earthquake - are socialist MPs starting to wake up to the fact that Brown and Smith's "ten year plans" are nothing short of Stalinist?
Rex - do you also know that most typical pensioners pay about 50% of their income in tax in one way or another?
And also that no state employee - local or national, effectively pays any or very little income tax?
This is because the support costs of the various government employees pensions schemes are at least 20% (more for the NHS) of salary roll. In other words all the PAYE paid for state employees goes straight back to funding their pensions.
Wot no Habeas Corpus?
Does that mean that Mr Plod can arrest Snotty, Blinky and his pals and seize their assets on suspicion of wrongdoing?
Oh Goody!!
(Methinks the Law on Unintended Consequences can be brought into play here?
So will La Smith enjoy talking her way out of this one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7266512.stm
Looks like Brown's govt of all the talents can't organise a social event in a brewery, without cocking it up.
Al Beeb hint that the Greenies had access to passes of some sort.
In Ancient Sunmeria, the cradle of civilisation, the laws were given by God and applied to the rulers as well as the ruled.
In slightly later Egypt the living god, the Pharoah, owned everything and everyone.
No wonder politicians were queuing up to attack the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Is the earthquake in Lincolnshire a sign that the General Oversight Department, the ultimate regualtor of standards of behaviour, is beginning ot lose patience?
Peter Hitchen's was frothing at the mouth this morning on Today about drugs, so its hardly surprising that New Labour are trying to look tough on drug dealers.
The return of the Star Chamber is a worrying development, especially for poor old Boris. Early on in the Gulf War Mark II a well known British Regiment returned home with a statue of Saddam Hussain. Customs impounded it because it was looted property belonging to the new government of Iraq. Now, if those who do the fighting and dying for our country cannot engage in some looting, why should members of Parliament on tax-payers funded jaunt, who voted the Bill against looting through the house, help themselves to the fruits of victory?
Looting is a shooting offence in war-time.
No ifs, no buts!
Jaqui Smith is going to receive the 'Virginia' award for being nice on the outside but nasty on the inside. She is just like that Conservative Health Secretary Virginia Bottomley in the last Tory government, where she 'ever so sweetly' cut the NHS funding condemning many to a premature death.
Remember the British were if not loved revered around the world for teaching the world how to administer justice. People who fought in wars for freedom delivered a system that worked. Even in the early days of the thatcher government the police and criminal justice act was passed curbing the excess of Inspector Knacker.
Somewhere all that began to change. In a weak Major government Michael Howerd defied conventional logic that said the unpopular job of Home Secretary was a political graveyard by talking and acting tough. Blair noticed this as his shadow and spent the next ten years searching for eye catching announcements which played well with the public. Slowly the pillars of liberty were removed (unless you were part of the new political elite and above the law).
Today as a result of a new contract initiated in January thousands of criminal legal aid practices are either closed or preparing to close. There is no press coverage as there is no public sympathy for legal aid. Not that is until the state puts you in a cell and deprives you of your liberty.
Re: Protesters scale Parliament roof
Don't these people realise it is illegal to demonstrate within 1Km of Parliament? The Blair government passed a law against it. Disgraceful behaviour. Throw them a Big Mac Meal (large).
Achtung, your papers please. All are in order you may proceed.
I must zay that I agree totally wiz mrs smith. For far too long you have enjoyed freedoms vich mine grandfather vould have taken from you.
Nu Labour now realises zat ve vere right all along und zer state is mutter and fater und national SOCIALISM is der way forward.
Seig Gordon, Seig Gordon,
Anyone know about computers? I posted a comment on the "Ken for Mayor" website; it showed up then disappeared an hour or so later. Gone. Vanito.
The post was only mildly critical of his CO2 tax, pointing out that it smelt of class warfare and bucks the latest scientific view that we are about to enter a period of dramatic cooling due to solar inactivity.
But it ain't there any more. Obviously something wrong with my PC. Can anyone help?
Seriously disappointed in Good Queen Brenda, C-in-C of whole fucking rocking horse cavalry and HM armed forces.
All very well Brenda sit on gilded throne for hundreds of years and keep gabshite son doing Tampax research with crocodile woman and away from any place where he can fuck shit up with his fucking impudent dilletante layabout playboy nonsense, the worthless, pampered, sinecured cunt. Brenda is doing good job staying on throne and just keeping this prick off it. But is more to monarchy than blighting ambition of nutter son and going in history books as longest ever monarch.
All very well Ma'am shaking hands of dozens of prime minister and make them all Knights of the Royal Pisspot, or whatever fucking rubbish it is they love so much. Chivalric ? John Currie-fucker Major-Underpants ? Knight of the Royal Pisspot ? Do me a Royal fucking favour, your Majesty. Man's a cunt.
All very well being briefed over everything and giving audience to moralising, presbyterian, lunatic homosexual bully, Mrs Nancy Brown of Fife; alright giving Sheeps Eye banquet to fucking hand-chopping pimp and royal chum, Ali Baba of Saudi Arabia; alright that former King, uncle Dave, is pussywhipped gay Nazi and nephew Lindley is cokefiend; sister is pisshead nymphomaniac, fuck dogs in the street; that royal servants are all raving, hysterical monsterqueens like Paul I am a fucking rock Burrel; that grandsons are worthless Yahoo pissheads, can't even go in Iraq with Tommy but only in eighty-pounds-a-drink nightclub brothel. None of this is part of constitutional monarchy, but only perk of job. And you are not doing the job, Brenda.
Time to make clear that Royal Assent will be withheld no matter how many chancers vote for criminal legislation from Schmidt; time to say to Nancy, Back off, sweet thing, or is WE make parliament fucking dissolved, just like that, right before your fucking eye and you with it you fucking lunatic. Is only one fucking Queen round here, matey, and it ain't you. You think WE are putting up with any more of this fucking shit off a fucking nutcase like you. Take people's stuff off them just on the say so of that fucking useless imbecile Ian Blair-Bendover. Have that horrible witch Flint throw people out of their homes just to alleviate a housing crisis you made, you great evil fairy. Put tv cameras in everybody's shithouse so they can't even take a dump in private. Have every bastard bar-coded with ID info by BlunkettUlike Security Corp so they can't walk down the fucking street without getting scanned. And you call this the war on terror. Is you matey, is fucking terrorist, you are a fucking nazi, this is nazi shit you're doing, I know, I had them in the family business, don't fucking presume to talk to me about nazis or terror, you horrible, gibbering Jock tyrant, and I don't give a flying fuck what your father tells you, you mad bastard and that other shower, they're as bad, wanna watch out you don't all go in Tower of fucking London.
The monarch does have power and influence over government and can dissolve parliament. There has been in living memory no more totalitarian and criminal regime than the current one-party alliance of self interest and terror, shitting in our faces from Westminster and wherever Fleet Street now is, stealing our money, our freedoms, our very nationality neutralised without even a referendum. From ridiculous, tired old fart, Skinner, to Zombie Alexander and supported by pompous, creepy little things like Gove and Clegg, cheered on by Toilets Maguire and Kneepads White and Polly Mascara, we see not government but criminality.
Time for Brenda to earn her billions. She could and should upset the applecart and maybe restore some humility to this gang of thieves, although prison would be their proper fate.
Equally, Dave Flashman of NewLabour Revisited, could have one of his flunkies standing by with a bicycle and when Thieving Gorbals Mick appears, pedal out of the chamber, his squabbling, simpering layabout troops behind him.
We need some demonstration of purpose from HM Opposition Leader Call Me Dave - or Tony, if it helps,I don't mind - Flashman. And off HM herself we need Royal proclamation: We is pleased to graciously announce that as of now, down in house of parliament, which We fucking owns, innit, is declared a Royal state of Up Against The Wall, Motherfuckers. Anybody fuck with Me, Regina, get their heads on fucking spike. And no shit.
doubtless, this will soon be extended to other criminals, such as suspected tax evaders, suspected motoring offenders, suspected perpetrators of thought crimes and suspected seditionists.
in the minds of these vacuous dweebs, the ends always justify the means.
their simplistic minds are unable to understand that their actions, like ripples spreading across a pond when a stone is thrown in, have far wider consequences.
Stan THE man your finest work Sir.
Anyone got Brenda's fax number, I would HATE to think that this is not put on her desk somehow.
It's been done before - in Oz I believe when she turfed out some cunt who had exceeded his brief, and told the sheepherders to pick agsin.
There has never been clearer evidence of criminal anti-democratic mismanagement, and it is YOUR realm this monocular snot-gobbling is giving away without a by your leave or ours. Go on you know it makes sense, and it will cement your name in history as the Greatest British Monarch of all time, not to mention draw attention away from the family.
Another slice of the Police State and liberties being flushed down the crapper, though not in such a high profile way, was the tedious Vehicles (Crime) Act 2001.
The Police went into business with the Magistrates' Courts and became known as the Speed Camera Partnerships. A nice little earner for the magistrates who became Judge and Prosecution!
Who cares about the Magna Carta, and its clause that justice is not for sale? Even in Stalin's show trials the judges did not get a kickback for convicting.
After the success of the Speed Camera Partnerships there was a Home Office Command Paper suggesting extending the principle to other trials - the Police and Courts are to be given a share of the accused's assets if they convict. Nice incentive to get the convictions up to target!
The Bill of Rights is quite clear.No confiscation or imprisonment without trial and conviction.Have they gone raving mad?What is wrong with our MPs.They are there to protect our freedom.This feels like Germany in 1933,
Oh, God. Now we really are doomed.
Guilt or innocence stopped meaning anything after the Proceeds of Crime Act was passed.....Part 5 procedures only begin if an individual is found "not guilty" in a criminal court...at this stage proceedings are brought in the civil jurisdiction and the individual has to justify their assets....with the bonus for the state that this is with a burden of proof that is "on the balance of probabilities" rather than "beyond all reasonable doubt".... ever since this law was enacted i've always told my clients that matter
"GUILT AND INNOCENCE ARE OUTDATED LEGAL CONCEPTS.....ALL THAT MATTERS NOW IS ASSET LOSS OR ASSET PROTECTION"
was planning to put it on my business card but figured the law society might fail to dig my interpretation of the law.
what's with all this 'our fundamental freedom' can't be altered chat?
so far new labour has introduced:
-national dna database
-asbos
-property confiscation & destruction(e.g sound equipment/cars)
-per charge detention
-extraordinary rendition
-indefinite detention
-house arrest
-electronic tagging
-removal of rights;movement,association,free thought (eg. asbo conditions,phone&internet communication&meetings,lyrical terrorist)
-stop&search&stop&account(.?)
-profiling in airports
-mass surveillance and mass eavesdropping
-reporting of students to authorities(fuk u students ARE extremists!!)
-proposed ID card & RSS scheme
-on the spot fines
-comedy policemen & far too hardcore policemen
-no protest within 1mile parlimemento
-siezure of dormant funds in bank accounts
-set precedent by allowing nat west 4 to be arrested,charged&convicted by the FBI (no crime in UK.!!)
-APNR cameras on the road network
-Congestion charge 'ring of steel' surrounding london
-ridiculous airport security (get them used to orders..? oh shit why are there two police dressed in black with big fuck off guns telling me to move 10m to the left to smoke??)
best legal examples are:civil contingencies(2005)Terrorism(2001--)criminal justice bill(2002(?))
some more but don't have omnipotence .
a framework has been built and precedents set . we have 'sleepwalked into a surveillance society' but is this society a police state or a state that has responded to local & global challenges?
all relative rely
This is the "Third way" and not the "British way"
I keep saying it, but it's time to rig up a guillotine in Parliament Square, and lop the bastards' heads off.
Stan (as usual) is bang on the money, and Brenda needs to get off her privileged arse, and put this bunch of cunts out of business.
perhaps if we could have a grown up discussion in this country about drugs then society may find some solutions....people have been taking drugs since the year dot..why is the demand so high?some need an escape,some want to relax and yes,some people actually enjoy taking them!!!!!(i am not a user myself)..people are responsible for themselves!!!!!!!but labour cannot accept that because they know everything (in their own opinion)
our govt are the most deluded egotistical fools and seem to think they have a divine right to use us as they wish(someone else had that delusion and lost his head)
this is just a continuation of the construction of a nazi state and must be stopped at all costs...next it will be confiscation for council tax rebels etc.......to have a policeman decide is ludicrous....look at the disgusting behaviour of ian blair.......then maybe they will become executioners as well....shooting anyone they suspect of being a criminal?
oops forgot........they already did that with mr jc menezes
bofl
Guido, declare your interest! :¬)
Dear Mr Anonymous at 1.26.
The War on Drugs, initiated by the great social reformer, Mrs Nancy Reagan, is as vital to our dictatorship as is the War on Terror; that neither can be "won" is the point, that's what's so good about them, a state of permanent war against vague, ill-defined enemies who would all bugger our children, rape our nuns and destroy all our values. That's enough, isn't it.
Be glad that Mother Schmidt of Redditch takes time from baking snotbuns for the PM to recognise these enemies on our behalf and deal with them. They are everywhere you know, under the bed, in the workplace, in the colleges. The drugdealers in the playground, they'll be the ones behind the freaky, spasming, one-eyed, snot-gobbling Jock with the Domestos smile, unaccountably having his picture taken, again, with young children. Only not the dead ones in Iraq, ungrateful little bastards.
This proposal won't survive a moment's legal scrutiny. It's just another gimmick, designed to make the Government look tough. We have government by adolescent gesture, though most of the gestures are of the 2-fingered variety and aimed at us, alas.
Oh its all so fucking corrupt isn't it? I mean, we have two choices here, we either say "oh it's a free country, go out and buy drugs if you want" or we say "drugs are really bad and we need to protect weak people from them". Now if you take the latter approach then drug dealers are simply murderers. They know some weak people will take them, get addicted and die. Thus dealing in Class A drugs should result in life imprisonment, no ifs, and no buts. And finding a dealer in Class A drugs shouldn't be too difficult, I mean it involves a trade and that means some sort of "promotion" of the dealers activities. Should be easy to spot right? God knows I know who is doing the dealing in my neighbourhood. Bung them all in jail for life and believe me you'd do a lot to reduce the crime rate and leave the police with more time for other things, like shooting Brazilians and stuff.
Still, the government is too busy helping the Afghans grow fucking poppies to sort this stuff out.
The Bill of Rights? Don't make me laugh, governments of all colours have been wiping their arses on that poor document for the last hundred years. Britain has been on the road to a total state since 1914, but the pace of change has sure speeded up since the NuLabor slime took over in 1997.
Peter Hitchens is a deranged cunt on the subject of drugs, I heard him on the radio this morning and thought he must be on coke, no-one is that loud and able to talk inane shit so fast at that time in the morning. He claims to enjoy half a bottle of wine a day. That and a couple of grammes I'd say.
Jackie Smith was to be a useful member of society when she was providing soapy tit wanks down her local massage parlour, but sadly the Polish and Czech girls are younger, firmer and do anal, so tragically her career took a wrong turn and she joined the NuLabor crime family. If there was any justice she would spend the rest of her life locked up with Rose West in Supermax, but then again, what did Rose do to deserve that?
It is also the way of our EU partners with corpus juris. There is no presumed innocence.
Jacqui's proposed modus operandi shows that NuLab under Gordo the Ineffectual have a dearth of ideas, or that perhaps Gordo wants to develop his Stalinlite tendencies
"Jacqui's proposed modus operandi shows that NuLab under Gordo the Ineffectual have a dearth of ideas, or that perhaps Gordo wants to develop his Stalinlite tendencies"
Definitely the latter. It is worrying. The country is completely fucked. Food prices are rising because people in "poor" countries are richer than they were and rather than getting their fecundity under control they are buying up all the food. Thing is that us Brits need to buy that food too. So its becoming a battle between the 20million Brits that rely on food imports and the 300million Chinese that live below the bread line. Thing is the Chinese are prepared to work longer and harder for their daily bread, because they know real poverty. Soon we will too. How much will we pay for our daily bread? AS MUCH AS WE CAN AFFORD!
Naturally this hyperinflation of food prices due to competition for scarce food resources from suddenly emerging economies will provoke a serious backlash against the government. There will be riots and the British government will use all means in its (new) powers to impose "order".
I'm starting to shift money out of the country in case it becomes necessary to "do a runner". Unfortunately it is not an easy matter for us to leave as I have elderly relatives we can't take with us. But emigration is reaching record levels and now you know why - people are clicking on to what is happening to the UK and are getting out before it implodes.
"The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression." -- H.L. Mencken.
To call this latest anti-drugs "initiative" a strategy is laughable. There is nothing strategic about it. It is just a bundled package of dubious low-level tactical responses, most of which fall at the first hurdle of practical implementation. Some are regurgitated but all are based on the unchanging and real New Labour strategy of government by headlines. They demonstrate just how out of depth, lightweight and utterly incompetent this government is. To formulate strategy the poor, deluded idiots in cabinet must first understand what strategy is. They are scrabbling around down in the weeds, aided and abetted by the poorest of policy advisors and bandwagon jumping senior police officers who should be leaving politics to the politicians and concentrating on their real responsibilities, when they need to be up in the helicopter taking the broader and longer view.
I'm happy to loose the FREEDOM to peddle dangerous drugs.
Wrong Guido. This is just what Nazi Clegg is drooling over. The chance to take centre stage and ejeculate over the lecturn at the thought of power is right up this dangerous person's street.
AH (C)
8:33 Anonymous Idiot! Would you be so happy to lose (not loose) that FREEDOM if YOU were FALSELY accused of peddling dangerous drugs, FALSELY arrested and had your assets seized BEFORE you were even charged with any offence? If suspects are not charged and put on trial how do you know they are guilty? You are following the current hysterical presumption of guilt for anyone arrested which has done so much to undermine justice in this country. And Jacqui is doing exactly the same. Why not abandon courts altogether? Just bung them straight into prison. People like you make me sick and are the reason we have already lost so much freedom here. Two thousand years of progress thrown away in ten by morons like you. Tosser.
no need 2 b rude .
I think Mr G. Fawkes that over the next few days your assertion about the waryness of the LibDems wil be proved wrong - they want power and onlywith Labour will they get it - Vote Nick Get More Gordon / Vote nick forGordon.... or Vote Clegg and get covered in Brown stuff...
Keep an eye out son!!!
Thank Christ that won't apply in Scotland.
England is now a police state. Well done, thats what apathy gets you.
It was nice knowing you.
Filthy drugs that maim and kill due to prohibition are deliberately inflicted on the UK, this government is canniving with the big drug dealers to keep them in business because it's an important pawn in international politics. Remember the Saudi threat about another 7/7? This silly 'strategy' is very likely to be the result of just such a 'deal', this is a billion pound business and the owners are not about to let this government dip their beak in.
When you see something nonsensical in government, there is always corruption behind it.
Drug profits are jihad funds.
surely the first policy any government should undertake would be to cut off the money supply that finances criminal drug organizations.
if we don't do that we can never win the 'drug war' because the criminals will always be better financed than the police.
and until it is done drug policy is going to continue to do more damage than good.
we are currently in the worst of all worlds.
In America, they have a real legal maze for pulling this off - they take out a civil action against the property. Once the property has been found liable, they seize it. So you have wonderful case names like "People of the United States versus Ten Thousand Dollars in Federal Reserve Notes".
Constitutional protections are worthless without being actively defended.
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