'Tis Only a Little Bug
If the Labour MP Sadiq Khan has done nothing wrong, he has nothing to fear. Isn't that what the government and Sadiq told us about ID cards, CCTVing, finger-printing, phone-tapping, DNA swabbing, and database building? Too late to get all civil libertarian now they have come for him...
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Oh look, this MP DOES support ID cards, the bullshit terror laws and all other forms of ridding people of their freedoms and democracy.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/sadiq_khan/tooting
With his (and other MP's) protests, are we to assume MP's have something to hide? I wonder.
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!
Do the security services suspect that Labour MP and adviser to Gordon Brown, Sadiq Khan, is one of the enemy within?
And is Gay Gordon still lying through his false teeth claiming that he never received David Davis's letter?
What a bloody frightening shambles this government is becoming.
"Bugs? What bugs? I didn't see any bugs. I also didn't see any letter regarding complaints about Mr Khan being bugged. In fact the only bugs I've seen recently were the ones that had flown up my nose, and those got eaten. Are you sure you didn't mean buggers?"
Become a NULab clone and this is what you then get, bitch, bitch, bitch why am i being bugged, i'm an MP not one of the proletariat who should be bugged.
He's not a legal rep so why should he enjoy a benefit the rest of us can't.
In any event, wasn't the other chappie a terrorist suspect awaiting deportation to the US?. NuLab were rather swift to shove the NatWest3 over the pond on spurious grounds.
Methinks double standards from one of our elected troughers.
Hoist by his own petard. Schadenfreude anyone?
Well I wonder what he has to say about ID cards specifically:
http://www.sadiqkhan.org.uk/key_issues/id_cards.htm
"This page is currently being updated. We shall post the new page as soon as possible."
Oh damn!
Heh!
It reminds me of Den MacSlime's reaction to Ruth Turner's arrest:
Denis MacShane, the former Foreign Office minister, said: “Dawn arrests of a senior official who was and is willing to cooperate with the police and would have willingly gone to the police station to be interviewed do smack of publicity seeking. It does not seem a very English way of handling things.”
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/jan2007/get_blair.html
To recap: the New Labour MacSlime, enthusiastic supporter of the EU, happy to serve first under Bliar, then under Bogeyman, was worried that the timing of an arrest was "not a very English way of handling things".
If you want to know what the MP thinks of ID cards, just visit the archived version of his thoughts.
(a short URL of the long one...)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yob86p
http://web.archive.org/web/20070104080136/http://www.sadiqkhan.org.uk/key_issues/id_cards.htm
Is it common procedure for an MP to make a prison visit, also why no fuss when other visitors are bugged as a matter of routine?
As Wolfie Smith used to say "Freedom for Tooting", although Sadiq would ring fence that for his voters only. The man takes a keen interest in terrorist matters - it could be that a large part of his political support may share his interest. It's reassuring to see that MI5 recognise where the real enemy is. It is amusing to see the part-sponsorship of his antipodean trip by Diageo - they must be spicing up his sherbert!
The High Court of Parliament should haul the offending policeman before the bar of the House and commit him to prison to purge his contempt.
Following on from that, perhaps he could look into the fact that the UK has sharia courts which allow a 15 year old girl to be brought over for an arranged marriage, oh and then raped and forced into prostitution. Sorry I thought English law might take precedence!
As Corporal Jones from Dads Army would say...
"They don't like it up 'em!"
Pity the poor guy that blew the whistle on the phone tapping!
Does anyone know the exact location where they bumped off Dr David Kelly? He might want to go and see it in advance!
Isn't it odd that whenever there is a Sunday Times story about home affairs david Davis pops up immediately knowing all about it? Not so much "Insight" as "Handout", perhaps.......
I am reliably informed the prisoner was bugged to see whether his benefit claim for 27 wives stacked up. It turned out he had overclaimed by two. We will not tolerate benefits fraud.
This is getting truly ridiculous, Its now getting close to a twice-a-day revelation of more Labour screwups and corruption scandals - this afternoon's one is Phil Hope and his employment of his kids as 'researchers'.
Thinking of moving to Zimbabwe or Italy - at least you KNOW the politicians there are bent as hell.
Following the revelations about many MPs disgraceful behaviour when entrusted with public money I would suggest that they are routinely bugged and questioned with the use of cattle prods if necessary, to ascertain that we the taxpayer get value for money.
Brown Nose Nick Robinson is garotting a wayward cop for allegedly bugging the eminent Nulab whip............guess who handed him that cookie from the jar.
Fearless Robinson should award himself a large mug of Horlicks and return to sleep!!!!
I would be very concerned (if I weren't at my wits' end with this shower of shit anyway) were these cunts NOT being bugged.
sitonafence, who thankfully doesn't, gets it in one - routine bugging written into the bastards' contracts, and random questioning and drug-testing at the point of a cattle prod. I offer to start with that Tangoman chancer, I really couldn't get too close to the Wendy minger.
Man in prison, therefore unelligible to vote, surely therfore has had rights as a constituent revoked as well.
Fair game for bugging then, regardless of who is visiting
Hee, hee, good point Guido. Wish I had thought of it.
I'd rather hope every conversation with a terrorist suspect is bugged. Especially so when it's with a someone closely connected to state power!
Maybe that policeman should get a promotion to head of MI5 as the current head is doing bugger all useful.
Cached version from Sadiq Khan's Website (Cached from 17th November 2007) - If its too long then Mod please delete.
The provision of ID cards was a commitment made by the Labour Party within its manifesto.
I have always had reservations about some issues surrounding ID cards. I looked into the proposals and the Bill, and I met with Ministers from the Home Office on a number of occasions to try and ensure that my concerns may be addressed. You can find the parliamentary questions that I have tabled online at http://www.theyworkforyou.com by entering your postcode which will take you to my entry.
A number of concessions were made by the Government that addressed many of the concerns that I held. Firstly, there will need to be a further vote in the House of Commons and primary legislation for ID cards to become compulsory. Additionally, the Bill makes it quite clear that it will NOT be compulsory to carry the ID card. Many people have raised their concerns about the infringement on human rights in carrying an identity card, and I share concerns that an ID card may have an impact on our civil liberties. The Home Secretary has confirmed that the police will have no extra powers to stop and search or ask a citizen to produce an identity card. In addition, only Parliament would be able to change the statutory purposes of the Register or the type of information which could be held and only via primary legislation. The new biometric data will be required for new passports regardless and this has cross-party support.
I also raised concerns about the cost of the cards. Following a Home Office review in conjunction with the Treasury, it was found that the charge will be set at around £30 for a stand alone card which is valid for 10 years. The media speculation around ID cards costing hundreds of pounds was based on an LSE Report which contained significant flaws in its data and process, for example by basing the lifespan of the card on a flawed estimate of 5 years not 10.
Given the changes that the Government had made to the legislation, in particular the need for a further vote of Parliament before ID Cards became compulsory, and the fact that the proposals were a manifesto commitment, I supported this Bill. I felt that the Bill posed no threat to our civil liberties, and my concerns about cost and compulsion had been addressed.
Total non story.The prisoner was being bugged not the MP.Did he expect MI5 to tell him to use another desk to avoid the bug?And is it routine for an MP to visit a suspected terrorist in gaol?
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How did this story come to light? Could it be that someone passed a transcript of the prison conversation to David Davis? If so, presumably it will seep out sooner or later. It might just prove interesting.
Olivant have pulled out of race for Northern Rock.Something rotten (!)in the State of Darling?????
Chopsticks, anyone?
Excellent point, neighbour.
So what is the situation with prisoners? I always thought they forfeited all rights so why would an mp be visiting a "constituent" in an official capacity, (if it was official) and why the hoo ha over bugging.
For all we know there could be something shady in all this... come to think of it, if there is nothing shady why was it not brought up by the MP himself, given the current lack of trust between the gov and the police.
Why has it been brought up by the Shadow minister and not the Snotgobbler himself.
There's got to be some serious mileage in this, Gorgon-selfharmer always disappears when something big is about to hit the fan.
You go Davis.
Brown, through his mouthpiece Jack Straw, is lying through his teeth to try to distance himself and blame it all on some hapless copper in the Thames Valley force.
How soon before a disgruntled member of the No. 10 staff reveals that Brown DID receive Davis' letter and is lying about that too?
Wading through Straw's statement it appears that it's likely that the enquiry will find the police have actually not broken any laws as this particular action does not:-
a) Require Ministerial Authority only the authorisation of the Chief Constable of the particular force
and it seems according to Nick Robinson's report that the officer concerned will state that that permission was obtained
b) The "Wilson Doctrine" does not appear to apply. Straw was very precise in this regard insofar as only the bugging of a MPs own phone;mail etc are covered not their car or other premises and if in the course of a surveillance operation on an individual that individual has a conversation/meeting with his/her MP it is permissible to continue to record that conversation without reference to the relevant minister for authorisation or even refer to them as the MP is not the target under surveillance
c) Any MP visiting a person who is held on suspicion of committing terrorist acts is in the current climate extremely naive if he/she does not expect their conversation to be under surveillance when visiting their constituent in prison
Perhaps in future our elected representatives will scrutinise the legislation they are voting into law more carefully or was it just another case of one law for us plebs and another for our "political elite" ?
I'd be both worried and outraged if people who are suspected of serious terrorist activities weren't bugged... and that goes for MPs too.
I mean I just don't get it. The Wilson doctrine simply states that MPs can't have their electronic communications intercepted, no matter what they do. So that's all right then, one law for them and another for us as usual. If you want to run a terrorist plot without being wiretapped, get an MP to join in. If you're lucky, you might even find that they can employ you as a "secretary" and claim back the cost of the explosives as expenses.
All members of parliament SHOULD definately be bugged... all the time. We want to know what the evil, traitorous bastards are up to.
Never mind whether an MP was bugged whilst visiting a terrorist suspect - it seems from what No.10 is saying that the Prime Minister's mail is being intercepted!
Surely this is most alarming - shouldn't the Police be called in to investigate?
Anonymous said...
The High Court of Parliament should haul the offending policeman before the bar of the House and commit him to prison to purge his contempt.
Yes shortly proceeded by British Soldiers marching Parliamentarians out to Tyburn for a very public execution, followed by a Royal decree that Her Majesties Armed Forces will establish order until a Parliament can be convened that does not consist of thieves, perverts and corrupt pigs.
Davis sends letter to Gordo
info passed to BbcNick the BrownNose
Gordo " What Letter? I got no letter"
Straw sets up inquiry
Prisoner escapes or is sent to US.
Sadiq Khan adopts Wee Wendy Alexander as prisoner of conscience.
Agree with Anon 4:39. This is a non-story. They were clearly bugging the prisoner, Babar Ahmad, who is accused of running a website raising funds for the Taliban and faces deportation. He's in prison for fuck's sake. Let them bug the bugger till he squeals.
Of greater interest is Anon 4:32's clip from Sadiq Khan's website where the MP attempts to justify his decision to support ID cards. They won't be compulsory, they won't be used for stop & search, they won't cost much.... in fact they will be a true friend and companion. They will make you tea in the morning, emit a delightful fragrance when you're feeling low, and make love on demand. This will be forever the case - there will be no mission creep, nothing sinister like them suddenly being made compulsory.
And he justifies it further by saying it was in the Labour manifesto. Well so were partial smoking restrictions in pubs - and now look. They've all turned into fucking Macdonalds.
The important point, that most people seem to be missing here, is not that a suspected terrorist and associates (MP or not) is being bugged, as any decent person could see the valid reasoning behind this, but, that a "rising star" of the Labour benches, was visiting said suspected jihading cunt because they were good friends! That's where the real mileage is in this story. Any ministerial consent, or not, for bugging Khan, won't be proved, but a Labour front-bencher's friendship with a terrorist, is very dodgy looking. If the MSM wasn't so far up Labour's crack, the papers would be having a field day with this.
Straw's explanation was carefully worded.
Perhaps Brown DID approve the bugging?
Perhaps Davis knows that Brown approved it, and tipped of the press in order to drop Brown in it.
What bothers me most was that the Justice Secretary (or anyone else in government?) was not able to confirm or deny that this had actually happened at all.
Not content with a home office "unfit for purpose" data missing left right and centre, and even the scandals of rendition flights and unfair deportations, it seems they have no idea what the police are doing either.
This governement doesnt need an opposition it is slowly screwing up everything it touches.
How about we make em wear those head cams the fuzz use only we surgically attach them and only turn them off when they are alone with their wives/butt monkeys.
Two advantages to this are honest MPs(never seen before) and They would be easily spotted.
Even with this there would still be a queue a mile long.
7:24 PM This governement doesnt need an opposition it is slowly screwing up everything it touches.
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first its a good job that it doesnt need an opposition because the Tories don`t fill that role.
and as for `slowing screwing things up` i think is an understatement to say the least.
this goverment screwed EVERYTHING up from day one when Tony the phony took office, it just took a little time for the shit to rise and show it`s ugly corrupt communist head, this is what happens when the communists socially engineer a country, it takes ten years for everyone to see how you fucked it up when you see that the majority of the state school kids arent worth a shit to anyone and can no longer think for themselfs after being indoctrinated with PC.
how do you unravel that!
Its plain fucked.
and to top it off the Tories under liberal Europhile PC `Dave` plan to finish the job and hammer the last nails in.
it does look like they are looking to finger plod , unfortunately it appears that the police comissioner did seek permission which was granted.
it also looks like the police have been granted a judicial review of there pay claim.
i do hope we get one for the lisbon treaty as well.
wee wendy , gradually the poniz finace system gets revealed , brings a whole new meaning to stakeholder . just what is phoneix bidder donating .
going back to 2002 john milligan gave nu labour 25k 1 month before being appointed to new deal advisory , he was appointed by wendy!!
john milligan also owns Ballathie estate (as well as 4th largest gas and electric supplier) , ballathie donated to gordons leadership campaign , just how much did gordon get for his leadership campaign ?? did lord robertson give 200k , where did it go ??
more to come i hear , i wonder if dougies firm of lawyers get much gov work , or perhaps , funding work ??
The concern must be this 'enquiry' The result of which will go before Brown. Straw and the ineffectual Smith.
Now Brown will insist he is not implicated. Straw will insist he is not implicated and Smith is too damned thick to say anything!
Whitewash is the turn of phrase we should expect to be using in a fortnight!
bristol dirt bag
brilliant
Never mind prisoners. MPs' conversations should be bugged, 24/7.
Now that the BBC have announced that UK house prices are going to crash by 35% (Jeremy Vine on tonight's Panorama) that is the final death knell for Brown's debt-fuelled sham of an economy.
Prudence Brown is going to be revealed for the lying con-man he is.
when I was a lad, important offices always logged the post when it arrived; who from, who to and subject. Do our great ministries of state not do this any longer?
was the bugging over a period of time rather than one meeting? will it's contents be admissible/subpoenable in a US court?
It's all an accident!
Apparently the police bugger was bugging this bugger, when bugger! His buggering MP buggering-well turned up!
So they bugged their buggering conversation by buggering accident!
"Bugger," They said. "Yes, I am," said the bugger. "Who buggering told you?"
As a libertarian I'd have thought you would have understood why the Wilson doctrine matters.
Security services having the capacity to interfere with political life is far far more serious matter than a few minor funding/expenses scandals.
As a mong you obviously don't understand sarcasm.
To hell with the Wilson doctrine. Why should MPs be above the law. How do we know that there aren't terrorist sympathizers in parliament? Oh, I forgot, there already are - John McDonnell, huge fan of those filthy IRA cowards. And look at Ken Livingstone, friend to almost any kind of terrorist at home and abroad.
Bogeyman
'ID cards will emit a delightful fragrance'
quite made me chortle..
Although on a report I read there are calls to have them available with different detachable covers, and a space on the back for a photo of a loved one.
Milburn's suggestion to have the back reserved for the 10 main manifesto pledges [ remember, like Tony used to hand around when they were worried about getting into power ]has been met without favourable comment by the PM.
The back of the card is now being earmarked for advertising space for party 'supporters' and 'well wishers' , 'friends', 'busniess seeking favours' and 'anyone with any money whatsoever.'
on the wilson protocol
i am quite sure that when harold thought about this (at the height of the cold war) he was considering political movements from within the uk , there was no way he could have understood that in 2008 you coud recieve an encrypted message from some well funded islamic terrorist organisation .
parlimentary matters were much more to do with soviet spies , which i dont think harold was too keen on.
of course now that we have a marxist gov and a sort of stasi monitor everything police state, i suppose they will complain when they get caught trying to ascertain if a brutal religion is poised to usurp them after all the help they have given them !!
what a great big mess !! how to completely fuck a country in 10 years and in years to come.
nu labour= no country
The Wilson protocol, a cosy arrangement introduced by an Oldlab cunt has no legal status, unless government by decree has been established. Those of us of more advanced years remember the scheming bastard Wilson, lordships sold and ugly bird shagged on his Scilly Isles hideaway, anyone who thinks Becket is a minger should have seen Marcia in her prime...... Baroness Fucking Falkender... my God, Wilson was corrupt and probably in the pay of the soviets..... but bugger me he was brave to take that on.
I bet Sadiq Khan MP would fail my mate Norm's cricket test.
He was right all those years ago and he is even more right now.
i wish Chris Morris was still making The Day Today
Haddock - I remember that cunt Wilson and the unspeakable lavender horror Falkender aka Marcia Williams. He certainly was brave, or desperate to slip that snake one. He and his bunch of clowns was the reason I first abandoned the Mother country, not to return until Maggie looked like rescuing it from the dead.
In all those dark days, when people in "Little England" asked me what was the matter with Britain - the pound in your pocket, Red Robbo, dead unburied, cottager Heath, three day week, garbage piled up in the streets - I said I didn't know, but knew I couldn't live there like that. Fast forward to Teflon Tone's unwinding of the recovery, with that utter shit the snot-gobbler, nancy prudence in charge of the economy: I could not believe the number of ostensibly intelligent people who said he was a good Chancellor. I am fiscally challenged, but I could teach that cunt the basics - "I'm not an accountant" Broon, the ignorant fucker, made me leave again. I could NOT be represented by such third-world shysters as them. This time I don't even see the possibility of recovery. These fuckers have stolen , raped, sodomised, and sold my country, my birthright, and my history - and yours my friends for a mess of pottage, and the Muslim vote.
As Guido says, gunpowder is too good for them by far.
Bottler Brown has hung our MP Sadiq Khan out to dry.
He was quick to support useless Pensioner Phain and Slimy Johnson.
How can our costituency take Khan seriously now.
They should have bugg(er)ed Nigel
Radio 4 host 'drugged and raped man at flat'
A BBC radio presenter drugged and raped a man he met at a New Year's Eve party after inviting him back to his home, an Old Bailey jury has heard.
Nigel Wrench, 47, who is a presenter of the PM programme on Radio 4, snorted cocaine with the man at the party in London and then offered him the chance to do work experience on his show, the court heard.
Nigel Wrench is ideal MP material.
Harvey Hawley Crippen MD said...
"Nigel Wrench is ideal MP material."
That really would throw a spanner in the works.
seems like people in the various departments knew about the bugging but failed to tell ministers! how likely is that?
so brown knew and as ever did nothing about it....what a shambles!
Janitor,
""Nigel Wrench is ideal MP material."
That really would throw a spanner in the works."
I imagine he makes Gay Gordo's nuts tighten up.
The letter was obviously read by a VERY junior official, whose dog promptly ate it.
Fast-forward to PMQ's
Dave "So at NO time were you aware that an honourable member was bugged?" "Yes or No?"
Boos, cries of snot-gobbler answer that and general harumping.
Mr Squeeker "Order, let the Prime Masterbator prevaricate as is his wont!"
Bean "Record numbers of people in jobs, lowest inflation since blah blah - de fuckin blah blah!"
According to the BBC Sadiq Khan was visiting a "childhood friend" in prison.
It is good to see an MP standing by his friends. I am sure most MP's would have run a mile when their "childhood friend" was about to be deported to the USA on terrorism supporting charges.
I mean didn't the Chechen rebels murder hundreds of school kids.
Innocent until proven guilty etc but still you got to admire the guy.
So the cunt is in favour of the ID slave card, but now he's whinging that he's been bugged?
I suppose he thought the surveillance state was just for the little people. Fuck him in the ear. Fuck him in the other ear.
45govt - what an eloquent analysis of the passing of our birthright. I am 57 going on 107 and could cry at the changes to my country brought on by these charlatans. But it's too late; look at the demographics and you'll see that we're producing the wrong sort of babies in quantities that will eventually give us a population density not unakin to Bangladesh.
Look at Fiji for the problem but not necessarily for the answer!
Given that Blair was PM and Charles Clarke and John Reid were at the Home Office during the 2 occasions when Sadiq Khan was 'bugged', is there a possiblity Gordo and No 11 were bugged?
A "little bug" too far and yet, so near?
Wasn't Khan the MP who was complaining about his treatment by US immigration on a recent visit to the USA?
Umm.
Sadiq Khan has only been an MP since 2005.
Some papers imply he was bugged in 2004.
jack straw should bug his own department. then he could find out what the fuck is actually going on.
" We all knew nothing about it". And now this
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1304039,00.html
Fucking hell, at least Blair knew how to lie properly. This fucking shower are so incompetent that they cannot even dissemble properly. How long can Brown hang on ?
Who gives a flying fuck that they were bugged?
One party was a terror suspect and the other was an MP.
Ideal candidates, methinks.
Straw didn't know till the weekend.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7229219.stm
Whoops! Silly old Jack. Now starting to look a bit wobbly. He knew in December but according to him he did not believe it till the weekend. Bollocks. He has lied and now has been found out.
Will someone please do something about this lot! Corrupt liars to their irreducible core.
I believe I just heard Channel 4 News report that Jack Straw was told that there were concerns about Sadiq Khan visiting a terrorist suspect in jail but not that any conversations were being bugged. Nothing on the BBC yet of course.
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