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61 comments:
you really missed this one didn't you.
wonder how many he killed
The UK press colluded with New Labour to keep news from the people. Now think what else is being hushed up that we need to know about (especially about New Labour MP's). Thankfully the story broke from outside the UK, and has showed up the censorship that is alive in the UK today.
does this have a blackadder ring when he fought the fuzzy wuzzies?
"The UK press colluded with New Labour to keep news from the people. Now think what else is being hushed up that we need to know about (especially about New Labour MP's). Thankfully the story broke from outside the UK, and has showed up the censorship that is alive in the UK today."
AFDB's at the ready, chaps!
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
Will Drudge do Kathyrn Blair next?
anon 2:17
Yep, what else is there under wraps?
What is going on with news management.
Harry pushes the EU debate out of sight.
"Vision" Brown has time to worry about plastic bags.
Who is minding the shop, and why are we not being told what is going on?
Which is the more important ? That young Hewitt gets what he wants or that the media and the bloggers collude with the government in deciding and limiting the public interest? Discuss.
Brown and his cronies have got the whole place sewn up!
EU Referendum hold a march and on the same day protesters climb unto the roof of Parliament! kept the EU referendum out of the news!!
Who alerted the aussies/ germans and the americans?
Who and what can you believe anymore?
The whole damn place is now bugged!
Brize Norton....
That's where we normally see the bodies being brought back home in coffins from Tony Blair's wars.
OT but just saw snotty on sky and he looks like a corpse even through the slap they apply his eyes looked like he had been battered round the ring(ohh er) by tyson.He may not see his legacy in at this rate(banning placcy bags!..took courage to do that)
I hope HRH steps off the plane with a couple of squaddies and steps in front of the camera with them both.
We don't want to overdo Harry at the expense of the rest of them. He'd agree with it.
Still, he may now be a terrorist target for the rest of life....
OK, so the journalists have got their story. And the Army have lost a good soldier from the front line. Happy now?
Call me horribly naive but do we normally announce troop movements in the media? I would have thought it was in the national interest to keep Harry & co safe from the Hun. Yes there were special measures - but given who he was, that is understandable.
I admire him for being one of the few Royals do do something useful. People condemned him for getting pissed every night, but what else was there for him to do? He wasn't allowed to go and be a soldier. Now he was given the opportunity to prove his worth. And he has. He has shown more mettle than those who sit on their fat arses and mock him.
I understand he's hoping not to get a landing slot
*cough* I'll get my coat.
The Taliban don't care about PH - they wan't to kill ANY foreign soldier.
The threat to him was based on alleged specific threats arrived at by the press asking questions like - what will you do to him if he comes over?... the inevitable reply "cut his ears off". Seriously - what did they expect - "shake his hand".
Those airstrikes he's been calling in have been killing more Afghan civilians than the Taliban. The whole refusal to negotiate with the Taliban is to satisfy American bloodlust (when not a single Afghan was involved in 9/11).
Well done Harry, now how long before snot gobbler and co.confront the Taliban in person. Could be a while
Or is it a blind? Photo op at Brize, Harry off to Balmoral for R&R but is, in fact, I hope, re-posted to a different part of Afghanistan to continue his ambition to be treated like the rest of the Army.
Brize Norton? I'd heard they were sending him straight off to Iraq.
Oh shit, I wasn't supposed to say that....
I am sorry guys but I don't buy the balls-aching crap about Harry. His public image, regularly falling out of nightclubs pissed as a newt and brawling with photographers, was badly in need of refurbishment. Off he goes for a few weeks "to fight the Taliban", like Errol Flynn in Burma.
Media barons suitably impressed. They then promise to keep the news from the peasants. After all, only a matter of time before the news does come out and then think how many newspapers and TV hours that will sell. Whilst in the "war zone" the chance of Harry getting hurt was precisely nil but why spoil a good story.
After a few weeks the lad had enough and who can blame him. With the whole thing perfectly choreographed and stage-managed they then indulge in a bit of deliberate leaking making sure those dreadful foreigners get the blame. The entire forewarned media is then given the access they could only have dreamt about so they respond by showing our prince to be nothing less than a modern Henry V. Absolutely heartbroken, our Henry then comes home but only for the safety of his colleagues, you understand. Medals to follow. Promotion assured. TV chat shows and thousands of interviews on the way. A public relations triumph. Mission accomplished.
I heard the real reason he is coming home is that the Americans are operating near him and they're even more dangerous to us than the Taliban.
You heard it here first
o/t Have you noticed just as Gordon gathers the clan in Birmingham there's a severe weather warning? I expect floods, earthquake and an outbreak of avian flu to follow shortly.
anon @4.22: yeah, maybe. But perhaps hanging around on here can make you too cynical?
anon 4.45 "and an outbreak of avian flu to follow shortly"
Doctor Doom has already struck:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7271351.stm
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"Anonymous said...
wonder how many he killed"
Fucking lots, I hope you, twat.
Anon @ 3.33
'when not a single Afghan was involved in 9/11'
Sorry I thought the Al Q training grounds where in Afganistan!
Harry should be replaced with a constant stream of chavs, either to be knocked into shape by some bastard of a regimental sergeant major or offered to the Taliban for the old Halal treatment.
west end night club scene breaths sigh of relief and staves off economic downturn when its announced harry will be returning home .
taliban in afghanistan dont understand why we wear poppies but dont smoke them , they say waste of good shit , much cheaper than strong allah band alcohol , and make lots of money for golden sword in luton and help fund politics and msoque building .
"Harry landing Brize Norton tomorrow"...
Isn't that a variation of the old joke where Prince Charles buys him some golf clubs for his birthday........ St Andrews, Carnousti and The Belfry?
Anon 4.47 to anonymarse @4.22. So it can.
Anon @ 4.22 - do tell us what you know of the level of danger Harry wasn't in.
I take it Andrew wasn't actually in the Falklands either?
I hope our immensely brave Prince Harry is going to be rewarded with a medal for his courageous and life-threatening month in Afghanistan.
Facing the bloodthirsty Taliban and taking on these ruthless killers in mortal combat day after day, like he did, takes some guts.
I believe he should be awarded the Victoria Cross at the very least and made an honorary member of the SAS.
What a fine young man he is and if he spends the rest of his days drinking himself under the table in exclusive West End nightclubs then who is to say he hasn't deserved it?
I see Harry's token month playing on his playstation miles from the front line has come to an end. He must have been bored shitless not being able to spend all night, every night in trendy nightclubs paying £300 per bottle of champers and getting fawned on by all and sundry then spending all day in bed sleeping it off.
Now the Taliban spring offensive is getting closer he's taken the wise decision to fuck off back to London leaving the real fighting to real men who aren't pampered, snotty-nosed semi-alcoholic poseurs like his royal highness but genuinely brave men serving their country and laying their lives on the line, not going through the motions in this pathetic media stunt.
Twas ever thus.
I salute his indefatigability, God speed and all other such guff. What a fucking mess.
How about a campaign to send white feathers to snotty.
A man of courage as he obviously is(he killed the carrier bag)would understand and do the honorable thing.
hells bells this is like the victorian period when the mighty fuzzy wuzzies were the main imperial enemy.
Teh we all get so war bold we have a pop at another industrialised state, anybody? or Somme body ?
Dear 45govt,
What I do know, in common with everyone else, is that now Harry has been placed in real danger
he is, quite rightly, getting out of it in double-quick time. His Afghan service was a very successful image-improving PR exercise. The rest is bullshit.
anon@4.22
Drudge - Taliban tart.
Some other mother's son is going to have to go out to Afghanistan to take Harry's place. Thanks to Drudge.
Meanwhile, when are the Bush twins going to enlist in Daddy's war?
Just in time for Jon Snow (or his taliban friends) to pick him off with a rocket propelled grenade
Anon @ 3:20 so what's your point about Brize? It's the services' main air transport hub.
So now we know what the D Notice was about. Personally I think that given all the circumstances, the best result has been acheived.
Excepting of course that Tony Blair should have gone instead and been made to wave a flag proclaiming his guilt!
Good for Harry.
To read the Grauniad's "CiF" one would think he was the enemy - well I s'pose he is to that sorry crew.
Stanislav asks the key question. Here goes.
There is no constitutional issue at stake. H is third in line and you can always find another one, or even change the law and let the old boot Anne have a go, followed by the gorgeous Zara. In political terms, this is of interest only while sitting in the dentist's waiting room . It is gossip, not news. It is of interest to the public but it isn't an issue of public interest.
The combination of celebrity and service is mildly diverting, though. Fr'instance, Sarah Brown on official visits. Would you credit it, but she does her own face, has her hair trimmed at which ever hotel they are staying, and borrows clothes and jewellery from designers, who then get a name-check? (Thank you, no, the dentist said there was no work to do this time.) It is spin to create the contrast with Cherie but it could raise its chin over the threshold of news if public expenditure were at issue. Instead, it is in the celebrity mags, placed there by fawning PRs.
Suppose it was not Prince Harry we were talking about, but Harry Potter. Suppose Daniel Radcliffe had enlisted. There would be hoards of screaming girls (and boys) demanding to know where he was serving - but it still isn't their right to know. The forces might not want to take him because he is enough of a public figure that he is a special target. On the other hand, they might decide he is a good soldier and only a target if his whereabouts is known. Any celeb mag which exposed his location would not get much sympathy. Operational necessity takes precedence over precise knowledge. This is not because mums and dads and siblings and loyal subjects should not know - it is because the enemy should not know, but there is no effective way of telling the mothers but not the enemy. It is not public interest which is at issue - it is enemy interest.
This story does not engage a public interest consideration because it was always intended to break; it was only ever a question of when. The wranglers only had to cope with the outside chance of him coming back in a box. For the cynical, that is a hallmark of a stunt rather than a genuine military career. Like any stunt the story value is in the surprise unwinding; there is no public interest served in news editors hissing: 'You know there's a gurrl inside that big birthday cake, don't you'.
Stanislav asks what weight to give to Harry's wishes. This is equivalent to asking about the limits of privacy and where it serves public interest. It depends on context. When Gordon Kaye was monstered in hospital and apparently signed some kind of permission while all woozy, it annoyed people in to thinking there must be some limits. Naomi Campbell won her case on the grounds that you don't deter people from seeking medical help. Judge Munby is trying to strike a sensible balance in public family law by allowing reporting of cases but insisting on anonymity. In the case of the conjoined twins, the courts immediately gave stage names of Jodie and Mary to the children. Later, when it no longer mattered, the family name emerged in follow-up articles.
Should Harry have been allowed to be Tommy Atkins, with the connivance of the media? It was the great Polish philosopher Stanislav who wrote: “There is a noble and necessary tradition of noms des plumes -Atticus, Beachcomber, Crossbencher, Guido - which you are evidently too fucking stupid and sanctimonious to realise is a valuable, vital component of our public discourse.” (19 Jan 2008). Admittedly Harry has little to do with public discourse – just as well, considering past performances – but here he wished to serve public interest briefly in the persona of Tommy Atkins (cynicism is optional).
What I would really like to know is if Drudge picked it up from the Aus magazine, or if somebody in NuLab decided to pull this particular communication chord this weekend and handed the story to him. Instinct says that there is something else which we are not supposed to notice, not just the normal EU disgrace. Someone is throwing glitter in our eyes.
That’s enough bloody words from me, gabby woman without even a pretend name, whoever I am.
Is this the same media that swears omerta over the sexual proclivities of major politicians? Is this the same media that knows of many more Derek Conways but conspires to keep the truth from us? Breathless hypocricy from Snow. They know a lot more about politicians than they ever divulge but when it comes down to the lives of honest, brave and dedicated soldiers, all we get is hypocritical cant. Come on Jon, out all the closet homosexuals in the cabinet if you're such a fearless journo in search of the truth. Homosexuality is not a bad thing, nor is fighting for your country, but, by your logic if hiding one is wrong, so is hiding the other. You're a deluded man with no guts!
Drudge and Snow should be charged with treason
Yet again the Americans do the dirty on our troops
This is friendly fire at its worst
Suppose this story broke on Thursday and Harry was killed on Friday. What would Jon Snow have had to say for himself then?
Perhaps we should put him in the front line for a ten weeks, advertising his whereabouts on the internet, and see how he likes it.
Old Soldier@7.16/29
I think you'll find that in times of war, as a percentage, your hated 'royals' get terminated a tad more than hoi polloi.
.......and I don't know of any with soggy chips on their shoulders.
Cannot take any mush slush gush from the MSM. Caroline Wyatt outside the MOD yesterday, twit Brian Hanrahan this morning from Brize Norton ..'yes there he goes with his shock of red hair'... do you remember Hanrahan 'counting them out and counting them in' during the Falklands War. They, the overpaid journalists and presenters, will do and say anything they are told to get their salary cheques at the month end. The BBC is state funded and should NOT be operating on an agenda produced by No 10 linked to Bushco and the Ziocons' war machine. Whilst all this babble about Harry Hotspur has been going on, there has been little mention of other world events, say of the carnage being enacted on the
people of Gaza over the last three days. The whole shebang needs clearing out as well as Parliament.
Stanislav is uncharacteristically obtuse here.
Suppressing Hewitt's location is perfectly reasonable: in PR terms, his death would have been a triumph for the enemy. What is totally idiotic is having him there in the first place, farcically surrounded by a detail of personal guards (bound to have have been, whatever might be said in public).
As a soldier, he is as inessential as it is possible to be - any other King's Road twerp would do just as well - as a PR move, his deployment can only inflame the islamists further against us, with its encouraging of naffly jingoistic stories about all the muzzies he has allegedly taken out.
Nothing helps recruit terrorists more than stories about their being vanquished.
Dear Mr Woman on a raft.
stanislav not have any answer, only more question.
If AngryGingerBastard was really at the sharp end, was that not a monumental misjudgement by Brig Gen Rupert Jockstrap McKay ? And have we ever heard such brown-nosing praise from a CO to a miserable 2nd Lt. Fuck me, Mr Woman on a Raft, it was like five more minutes out there and young Hewitt woulda had the war, as they call it, won and fuck all these other commoner bastards, eh, shipped home in shreds to an indifferent, cost-conscious NHS future?
Had AngryGingerBastard been killed or worse, captured, vulnerable to torture and head-chopping, all broadcast on the global net would that not have been a catastrophically damaging propaganda victory, liable to galvanise volunteer Jihadists in huge numbers and thus, inevitably, result in even more dead Tommies and even Joe Bloggses in the UK ?
Can we imagine the scene in Oxford Coroner's Court if, conversely, Lt AngryGingerBastard, up the sharp end, found himself, as is not unknown, collateralised unto fertiliser by Uncle Sam's shoot-em-up air corp?
(This is Bird Dog One to Bird Dog Ground Control, Think we fucked-up here,Colonel, big time, think that was AngryGingerBastardLimeyFoxtrotWindsor we just napalmed. Bird Dog control here, Never mind, son, just jettison the videotapes and fly yer asses back here. These fucking Limeys're always bitching. Let me fucking worry about that pansy Coroner; he's always on my ass. )
The Coroner would go fucking nuts. He'd wanna see every piece of paper ever written in the history of the British Army,declare martial law and blockade the Pentagon. No Angry Ginger Bastard getting buried round here, not until I get some fucking answers off that Jock cunt Browne.
Brenda'd go apeshit, gold-braided caps'd be rolling down the Mall. Equerries and flunkies and aides de camp would be shitting themselves. Fuck me, Phil, I only said he should go there and shake a few hands, dazzle some fucking dimwit, media studies cocksucker graduate from the Beeb. Shoot his gun in the sand a bit. 'Snot like we was fighting the Argies, most of whom went to Sandhurst, No, Phil, Fuck me gently, these ragheads is fucking nutters, chop a bloke's balls off soon as look at him. We didn't say nothing about the drunken little git being up the sharp end.
The tabloids and the Dimblebys would have a field day, of course. John Shitbrain from the Sun would be glowering: Hanging's too good for these Yanks/Ragheads/Anybody, the Sun says Torture the Fuckers wot killed our own AngryGingerBastard, Or Any Other Bastard, Its Wot The People Want. Turn on the idiotbox and it'd be: And now. As the sombre cortege. Files past. As it did so poignantly. With his late mother. The Princess. Some called her. Of Tarts. A stricken nation. Bids farewell. To a suddenly favourite. Right royal. AngryGingerBastard. Reflecting on. The very great. Some say unpayable debt. That the poor owe. To the rich. Like myself. And my entire family. His late mother, the deranged NHS Stalkerwoman, used to say that there were three in the marriage. But. As it turned out. There was only one in the coffin. But, for now, we mourn Wotsisname. Slain in the line of Duty. By whoever. Join me for Question Time when my guests will be the usual bunch of cunts. Lembit Opek, Caroline Flint and some other tossers. From the Cenotaph. Back to you in the studio.
Stanislav asked originally if the public interest was, legitimately, so easily manipulated and stanislav did not insist that this bloke's whereabouts on duty were part of the national interest, hence: discuss.
Think it was criminally irresponsible to deploy him to Afghanista, regardless of what the mouthy little prick, himself, wants. Think, for reasons above, that it was inevitable that he would and should be shepherded and protected in the national interest. Although any part of Afghanistan is more dangerous than UK, claims of heroism are a little overblown and unjustified.
The national interest that was relevant was that Chief of Staff Dannant, announced that there was no way AngryGingerBastard could serve in Afghanistan, for this, this, this and reason. And then, presumably after pressure, he secretly countermanded those orders. Literally thousands of people, in the press, in the regiment, in the MOD, in the snooty wine bars will have known about this, it was not a state secret and given - according to Blunkett and Schmidt and M15 - the massive penetration of thousands of mad Jihadi conspirators it is almost inconceivable that someone from the Other Side would have not deduced, even by his absence from the drunkards' circuit, that his nibs was on active duty.
He never should have been allowed to set foot anywhere in which he might, by his death or capture, enflame things further or endanger genuine soldiers; he is a deeply obnoxious spoilt little prick who has been able to bully a personal PR triumph out of a Senior Command which should have known better and the connivance of what we still call the press in this load of fucking rubbish is deeply offensive, even by their standards. Nancy Brown, presbyterian lunatic, slithering around, praising the troops he has consistently betrayed is just another ladling-over of self-interest from the most disgusting crew of media-political slags in history. Must be knighthoods and medals all round.
How long, one wonders, before it’s revealed that Harry was never actually there? I smell a ‘Capricorn One’ conspiracy.
Summa com laude to 'stanislav' for puerile logorrheic obscenity. A prime example of why The Septic Isle is just that.
Can we once and for all bury the geriatric canard that Harry is other than the son of Diana and Charles? (Cf references to Hewitt.)
Use your eyes - Harry has exactly the same colouring as one of his aunts and his grandfather (on Diana's side).
No scandal here, move along.
Well, Indigo, his security team sweeps for potential sources of DNA after him (though not sure how they deal with the haploid ones...).
Now why would they do that, do you think? Worried someone might clone the little pisshead?
Dear Mt Runaway exPat
Gosh, This septic isle, how very witty, not heard that since John Lennon coined it in the sixties. I bet you do lots of recycling, in whatever shithole you live in.
Have one for free: Expatriotism- good friends excepted - the last refuge of the scoundrel. Tell it to your friends, if you have any friends. Pretend you made it up. You'll be good at that. Best stay away, Your country doesn't need you.
love from stanislav, still manning Decency's barricades.
'love from stanislav, still manning Decency's barricades.'
ROTFL...Decency? Surprized it's in your vocabulary.
Yes, I do use quotations from other folk, usually, and unlike your 'last refuge of the scoundrel' in the correct context.
You are correct in saying that my country doesn't need me. Perspicacious!
But glad to know that there's at least one rat left on the ship.
My country doesn't need me Stan but I'll still lay down my life for you and the other 60M I feel a sense of duty to. How about you? Scaredy cat perhaps? We members of Her Majesty's Armed Forces break our balls for you lot and Harry aspired, yes ASPIRED to be one of us. To serve, to contribute, to possibly sacrifice his life.
It's a shitty job working for a government who won't fund us properly and a people who feel we are in the wrong for governmental decisions. Do you know the difference between Jus Ad Bellum and Jus In Bello? Thought not. Whether a war is right or wrong is a government thing, we can only act justly in war. St Augustin perceived 1500 years ago what you now seen to be blind to.
If I may remind you of the tone and tenor of Tim Collins' speech on the eve of battle;
"We go to liberate not to conquer. We will not fly our flags in their country. We are entering Iraq to free a people and the only flag which will be flown in that ancient land is their own. Show respect for them.
There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly. Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send. As for the others I expect you to rock their world. Wipe them out if that is what they choose. But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.
Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there. You will see things that no man could pay to see and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis. You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing. Don't treat them as refugees for they are in their own country. Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.
If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day. Allow them dignity in death. Bury them properly and mark their graves.
It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive but there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign. We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no time for sorrow.
The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam. He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity.
It is a big step to take another human life. It is not to be done lightly. I know of men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts, I can assure you they live with the Mark of Cain upon them. If someone surrenders to you then remember they have that right in international law and ensure that one day they go home to their family.
The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please.
If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer. You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest for your deeds will follow you down through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation.
[Regarding the use by Saddam of chemical or biological weapons] It is not a question of if, it's a question of when. We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself. If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack.
As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.
Our business now is north."
We don't decide to go to war, we just do, as morally and ethically as combat allows. Harry did that and did it well by all accounts. wherein lies the shame?
wonder what the bomber had for breakfast.
Break your balls for us? US? Fuck away off. You break your balls for a job YOU choose to do. YOU break your balls for YOU! I never asked my government to invade Iraq nor Afganistan. I have no beef with either of those countries. Never had never will.
I respect all British troops that go to those places and those that come back from those fronts injured, and my deepest sympathies go to the families of those that didn't make it. Please though dont pull this bullshit of "we're fighting for you" - we know it's shit, stop giving that piss-weak MOD line if you can help it eh mate?
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