"Auschwitz Gimmick" Jibe Backfires
CCHQ put out a press release listing 26 Brown gimmicks including under the heading "Trips to Auschwitz"
The Tories now say that they support the educational Auschwitz trips and that they would fully fund them via the Lottery fund. Whatever the substance of the matter, somebody is going to get a bollocking for the original press release...
What was announced: ‘Two pupils from every sixth form and college in the country will be able to visit Auschwitz and learn about the Holocaust thanks to £4.65 million of funding’ (DCSF press release, 4 February 2008)
In fact schools would have to find £100 to fund every sixth-former’s trip (Times, 4 February 2008)Ed Balls pounced on it and press released:
"This is a truly disgraceful remark by David Cameron and he should apologise immediately for the offence he has caused. Anyone who has seen the horrors of Auschwitz at first hand knows what a life-changing experience it is. To call the announcement I made of £4.65 million to fund visits by school children over the next three years a 'gimmick' just beggars belief. In trying to make this issue into a matter of party politics, David Cameron has shown once again that he not only lacks judgement but also a basic sense of decency."Aside from the fact that it is not a remark by Dave, but in the notes of a CCHQ briefing, there is obvious irony in Blinky criticising the Tories for "trying to make this into a matter of party politics" in a Labour Party press release.
The Tories now say that they support the educational Auschwitz trips and that they would fully fund them via the Lottery fund. Whatever the substance of the matter, somebody is going to get a bollocking for the original press release...
95 comments:
Perhaps the children should be sent to kossavo a Serbian country but ethnically cleansed by the albanian Muslims of it`s Serb people. With the help of the EU and Germany!
It is perfectly obvious from the press release what the Conservatives meant (i.e. it wasn't free). So who's trying to make the issue into a matter of party politics now, eh Blinky?
I thought the (v bad taste) joke was that the Government wanted to send two pupils from every sixth form to Auschwitz...
Still, Hitler was a national SOCIALIST......
Loking at this closely, surely the Tories mean the gimmick is the in not-quite-full funding of the trip, rather than the trip itself.
Come on. Rapid rebutal for Mr Balls.
I wonder why the most barbaric mass slaughter of people commited by the communist USSR (60 million) and communist China never take priotity in Labours socialist/communist brainwashing school system?
This merely confirms to me that Ed Balls is a shit-stirring hypocritical, turd.
The government's announcements should always be treated with suspicion; in this case the Tories are quite correct to point out that the government's 'promises' always turn out to be not-entirely-honest.
That Balls then effects mock indignation and accuses Cameron of playing politics by, er, making a party political issue out of it, smacks of humbug, not to mention sheer desperation.
Balls is a disgusting little cretin who deserves nothing but contempt and very public disgrace. And they say this ineffable little nerd is leadership material?
At last we're getting round to the existence of Conservative Friends of Israel, Labour Friends of Israel and Liberal Friends of Israel in the UK Parliament.
I'm Jewish and I think it's a f*cking gimmick.
As Hezza once said
Its not Brown its balls
It's about time wankers like Blinky were 'faced out' on this 'you can't say this and that' bullshit! The holier than thou crap that comes out of politicians mouths does my brain in!!
Here's a guy who supported mass murder in Iraq, mass torture by US intelligence of Mulsim 'terrorists' and now has the balls to cry foul. Fucking hypocrite!
Don't think too many Tories gave Ken the benefit of the doubt of his, 'Concentration Camp' jibe. So Dave and his pals better look pout.
Balls said, "Anyone who has seen the horrors of Auschwitz at first hand knows what a life-changing experience it is" Well it was all of that for 85% of those who passed through the gates! He could have chose his words more carefully.
dull dull dull
how utterly predictable and boring - just and wait and see how indignant the BBC will get -
this country has become a fucking travesty.
God Almighty that was the last straw - we are being "ruled" by imbeciles. Not stupid people, but proper, medically defined fucking imbeciles.
And its no coincidence that the word verification is "ky fng ct b"
ed, shut up you spastic.
either fund the visits or don't fund them. the reason you did this was so you could claim an artificially higher number of visits to auschwitz.
then to accuse the opposition of a lack of decency when they are merely hi-lighting this fact is I believe, an offensive misuse of the memory of those who suffered so terribly at the hands of hitler in auschwitz aswell as in the other death camps.
goodness, is there no depth to which ed balls, gordon brown and alistair darling will not sink?
ed balls you are a black magic satanist zombie motherfucker. you are very high up the list ed.
the silver bullet has been buffed and the wall has been painted white for better contrast.
scum rises to the top and you are fucking scum balls.
you are definitely going to hell.
souls as dirty as yours aren't worth saving ed. you aren't worth a light, politically speaking.
It's not a gimmick ?
I suppose if kids were taught British history and could read there would be no need to send them to see for themselves.
Sorry, this is bollocks.... why shouldn't the Auschwitz trip be included as an example of a gimmick.
The DCSF chose to make it the subject of a press release, and therefore to try to win brownie points on the back of the Holocaust.
Ed Balls display of synthetic anger is pathetic and I'm surprised Guido is giving it airtime.
Couldn't Schmidt and von Straw find a better use for this facility than mere tourism ?
Doesn't arbeit mach frei translate as "Work for your disability benefits."
Why don't they arrange trips to the battlefields where our own British troops gave their lives in both world wars, such as the Somme, Paschendale and the Normandy beaches.
of course its possible to visit Auschwitz for genuine reasons - but that is not NuLabour's way. Sending school children in recent years is a not very cleverly disguised political gimmick.
The thing is that there was nothing offensive about the original briefing. It merely stated that, as usual, Nu-Liebour was promising more than it delivered - gimmicks, if you will.
It is the slimy, revolting, incompetent arseholes in Nu-Liebour who used the most offensive defence possible by accusing the Tories of anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial, whatever the fuck helps the current (mis-)government of the day detract from a very reasonable criticism of their failure to deliver so much as a fucking bean by way of improvement to peoples' lives.
Promises, spin and deceit is all they can practice.
Balls, you are a cunt and your wife looks like she's got something else instead of one. Get a fucking grip and fuck off out of office along with the rest of the lying, stealing, corrupt bunch of Nu-Liebour fucktards.
Anyone who has seen the horrors of Auschwitz at first hand knows what a life-changing experience it is.
Anyone who has seen the horrors of Auschwitz first hand had their lives changed by being gassed, shot, starved, experimented on, fucked, worked or tortured, usually to death. A few saw it first-hand at liberation. Some saw it first hand by performing the above, which is presumably not what Balls had in mind.
Every other tourist, historian, memorializer, and even returnee sees it second hand. The event has stopped, although the location remains. Does pig-ignorant Blinky acutally think he has 'been' to Auschwitz just because he has visited the place?
He'll be wittering about seeing the horrors of the Crucifiction first hand next.
He is a deluded freak, as deluded as his master. If he honestly thinks there a difference between the earlier tattooing of a number on an arm, and his own government's proposals which explicitly follow the data collection methods developed by you-know-who, then he had better think again.
The racial profiling databases predicated on the school and NHS records of almost every child will mean that when we do get a fascist government again, it will have the tools the old debil could only dream of. Thanks a bunch, NuLab.
It is lucky that comment moderation is on. The man is a wanker and if he ever comes near me, I may choke the self-absorbed swine from the wrong end with a railway sleeper.
Auchwitz is Disneyland for the politically correct. All is gimmick: the "gas chamber" is fake, the chimney is fake, the watchtower is fake. The whole thing is a gimmick, and a very lucrative one.
And so, with a scam policy followed by a few cynically chosen words, Balls exposes himself as one of the biggest shysters in the land.
Given the trick behind the funding of the Auschwitz trips, calculated to make sure that almost no-one actually went, does anyone even believe that Balls had the money available?
Then today's words from him are the icing on the cake, classic calculation, distraction and distortion.
Balls - rot in hell!
Here's the Beeb version of the story. Clearly even they can't find a way to defend Balls (but you can bet they tried).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7259506.stm
It IS a gimmick, so why are the Tories backtracking? They should tell Balls to get stuffed and leave schools to work out priorities for educational trips.
Is this in addition to the 50p a day for "culture allowance" by the way?
Ach! New Labour!
The more disingenuous and self-serving their act is, the more urgent is their need to enoble it.
The logic behind the gimmick seems to be:
A: Most people disapprove of the Holocaust
B: Labour disapproves of the Holocaust
C: Therefore most people approve of Labour
Trouble is, a lot of Labour's efnick postal block-voters in rust-belt shit-holes probably think the Holocaust was a bit too lenient.
Maybe take a side trip to Katyn Forest to see how the lefties did it, Magadan being too far away.
To paraphrase Mr Balls, "anyone who has seen the horrors of Britain under Labour at first hand knows what a life-changing experience it is."
Where else could one be jailed for thoughts not deeds, and for identifying the lies disseminated by an increasingly totalitarian government.
Criticism of immigration policy was denounced as racism: criticism of lies over the funding of school trips is now denounced as belittling one of the most tragic episodes of 20th century history.
Methinks Mr Balls betrays but his own lack of morals and decency.
The Tories have committed blasphemy and will have to repent, as those saintly figures Ed Balls and Denis MacShane have pointed out. I for one want ALL British children to be sent on these guilt trips to learn what European civilization is really about: utter, unspeakable horribleness towards poor persecuted minorities. The trips should be yearly, in fact, and should start in primary school. Better still, while children are still in the womb. Anyone who disagrees is a nazi -- just ask Ed and Den.
It is a gimmick, something "jewish labour" have pushed hard for. Read the book from Norman Finkelstein on the Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering .
The same lottery fund which Dave was only days ago so keen to keep out of political influence - which will now be politically influenced?
I'm sick of this shit. When anyone says anything that can in any way be linked to WW2, immediately some thinly-educated fuckwit turns up and yells "Auschwitz". I'd take the "offence" more seriously if any of them knew a damn fucking thing about the place, and in particular about the foul politics whereby the majority were quite happy to see a sizeable minority go off to be turned into ash and socks (yes, I do mean socks: look it up).
Trust Labour and the likes of the odious Greville Janner to try to make a meal out of nothing. What a vile bunch of hypocritical, cynical turds they are.
Times have changed though and this will backfire on them.
British people are sick to fucking death of all this whinging from the self-serving, politically correct, anti-white shitehawks from the Labour party and from the zionist and muslim lobbies and they are sick of taxpayers money going to leftie/multi-culti causes, particularly muslim, while our schools, hospitals, post offices etc are closed down.
There is a backlash on the way.
Is this a pree olympic statement by Balls.
A secret concentration camp in Sujiatun, China has stockpiled thousands of Falun Gong practitioners who are being killed for their organs.
So will the Tories now support a educational China trips and would they fully fund them via the Lottery fund
sweetbreads
personally i think this is more ridiculous labour crap.what's next?
visits to 9/11 sites?agincourt?river kwai?rourkes drift to apologise?sre the romans sending kids to the uk to visit /what about the normans?visits to battle/or maybe german children will from dresden will make exchange visits to coventry?
still what can we expect from these fools?
live in the now...
bofl
i seem to remember that when this came out the idea was that 2 kids would visit and then tell the others.
how many will listen in between shooting and stabbing each other and smoking crack and skunk?
how many will be able to pronounce aushwitz as i believe speaking a foriegn language has been abandonded as too difficult?
if they come back and say it didnt look too bad, will they be called holocaust deniers and sent to prison?(assuming anyone can actually say the h word)
this is the kind of thing that facilitates shits like Lee Grasper, he avoids scrutiny because he has a built in 100% defence.
So what if it was a gimmick? He isnt saying Auschwitz was a gimmick Balls really is a fuckwit, but then the BBC and Ch4 are lapping it up.
yeah his name is Nick Timothy!
Yeah, sure. In future the world will know to distinguish between a crap CCHQ briefing and an authoritative "Dave" ex-cathedra statement.
So long, of course, as there are sycophants (present company not excepted) to point out the difference, after the event.
I think its just good planning on behalf of our current Neo-Fascist/Neo-Marxist government.
Somebodies got to learn about how to run a concentration camp full of otherwise law abiding ordinary citizens.
I hear we are already building them, to put our tax protesters in after all their property has been confiscated.
After all who is going to do any of the essential building work after taxes exceed 100% of our earnings?
Not any members of THE PARTY thats for sure.
Atlas just started feeling a little sick as he realized he was not really joking at all.
Gordon could send the weans to a more contemporary camp, of course; that one run by the coalition of the willing, explain the difference between legal torture and the other sort.
Flashman is a cunt of course with the brains of a fencepost but this really is Balls showing how when it comes to spinning he has no principles; it is he, and not the Tories who is using this awful fucking place for his own ambitions. What a cunt. Aren't they all, though. Anybody for waterboarding /
I think trying to pin anything like this on David "There is something deep in our Party’s DNA that believes in Israel" Cameron is as ridiculous as our 400 war criminals setting up things like this (and Holocaust Memorial Day) whilst voting for the deaths of thousands in Iraq.
Better would be school trips to the Hague to see these very hypocrites on trial for waging aggressive war.
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il shito, 5.44 said "Balls is a disgusting little cretin".
Too polite. And why do his eyes bulge like that? Perhaps he foresees what sort of termagant Mrs Balls is morphing into. Saw her on Newsnight and had to cover the cat's eyes and stuff up his ears, he were that terrified.
Brought up his Whiskas, too.
Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from Smolensk in Communist Russia where, in 1940 on Stalin's orders, the NKVD shot and buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the Communist Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in WW2 in support of the Nazis.
School trips to Basra anyone? Guantanomo? How about some waterboarding... bit like surfboarding only not quite...?
Women on raft
I get your drift so to speak.
However I know personally someone very well who did almost 4 years in the place and lived to tell the tale. And a very nasty tale it is to.
So nasty in fact that no visit to the camp now, could possibly convey the true or even partial truth of it.
It helped if you could speak German and could do something of use for the Germans. He was in fact personally treated relatively well. Because he spent his time making Nazi jewellery. Very possibly out of his own dead families gold teeth.
Atlas shrugged and counted his blessings and wondered why more of his fellow planet keepers did not more often.
Ed Balls to DIE PLEASE. Preferably in some tragically ironic NON-PC way, like drowning in a vat of BLACK SHOE POLISH.
TA
hilarious apology from Mail on Sunday to Tory MP!
MAIL ON SUNDAY WITHDRAWS ALLEGATION OF IMPROPRIETY
I am pleased to be able to confirm that the Mail on Sunday has accepted that I have not abused an allowance available to MPs to purchase the second home they must have to enable them to live both in or near their constituencies and in London.
An article in last week's paper (10th Feb) claimed that i had used this allowance to fund the purchase of a terraced property in Worcester that I then let out. this allegation was completely without foundation and the newspaper has today (17th Feb) published the following letter from me, setting the record straight:
"Regarding your article "Revealed: 'MPs' buy-to-let scheme funded by the taxpayer'", at no stage have I let out any property on which I have claimed Additional Costs Allowance. I bought a flat in Kennington eight years ago, and I still live in it.
"The small terraced property in Worcester you listed against my name is fully and properly declared in the Register of Members' Interests. I purchased it some eighteen years ago and lived in it prior to my election to Parliament. I am still paying off the mortgage entirely out of my own resources. Any suggestion that I have misused taxpayers' money is both offensive and wrong."
Hmmmmnnn, more money going towards the extremely lucrative holocaust industry. Quite a thriving sector to be in. Might set up my own one concentrating on the Chinese cultural revolution holocaust or Stalins murderous campaigns which killed far more people.
Guido.
Haddock is spot on. This Labour shower deny our children our history - then send them over to see the concentration camps as if WE are to blame for them - we liberated them.
Do the Russians send their kids to the Stalin death camps. Do the Chinese send theirs to Mao's death camps? more importantly do the Germans send their kids?
We are contantly apologising for the worlds ills. It is about time we started celebrating what this small island of ours with its magnificent people -aided by our Commonwealth, The Polish and never forget the Americans did!
Labour are a bunch of quislings
Balls is a cunt.
Next.
My bedtime reading tonight will be Arbeit Macht Fry, the autobiography of a quintessentially English comic actor. How can the comedians in Whitehall be so confident that schoolchildren forced to attend Auschwitz will draw the right conclusions? Have they never heard of copycat crimes?
Its clearly taboo to call an obvious gimmick a gimmick.
"The holocaust" version of history (the term wasn't widely used till the 1970's) is a version that regards the suffering of one group as pre-eminent to the neglect of all the others.
There were several years of concentration camps before the Nazis started murdering jews purely because they were jewish, and more Soviet civilians died than did jews. To my mind to have 'the Holocaust' take on the Nazis crimes is to buy into the same racist delineation that the Nazis themselves made.
And a political lobby group isn't necessarily the best judge of history or how our children should study it. But saying that's taboo of course...
Guido, come on. This is the Tories being a bunch of wankers. They tried to make capital out of the Holocaust. They struck out.
If they have to rely on this sort of crap, maybe 1 year out of the next election, and only 4 points ahead of the incumbents after the most disastrous, laughable, incompetent 9 months of Government screw-ups since John Major, then the Tories are up shit creek. There's your story, amigo.
Sometimes, not often, think order-order is place of random, pointless shouting but stanislav also describe it on other cuntblogsite, maybe more accurately, as a continuum of scepticism. Is neither tonight, on this subject.
Great Polish ecclesiasticist, Saint Augustine, asked, what else is righteous anger but the voice of God?
Each and every comment here so far transcends random shouting, departs from a continuum of mere scepticism and enters a tumult of righteous outrage at these horrible, horrible cunts. .....and every one of them words rang true and glowed, like burning coals.....
Stanislav started the day ranting about the blithe acceptance by HMG and MSM and BBC of torture in the war on (sic) terror. A happier plumber bids goodnight and Bravo, l'ensemble.
My 17 y.o dtr is going on a school trip to Oswiecim/Auscwitz in October
Its not just two from the school but a joint History/RE A level girls. No subsidy here: its costing me £300.00
Mind you, her's is a Grammar School so there's no way, Gordo will subside anything they do.
If nothing else, it'll teach her what's will happen in Europe when the German's take over.
Special pleading. If children are to be sent anywhere we should consider the Jersey War Tunnels.
The museum uses the cold tunnels to tell the story of the war and what it means to be an occupied territory. It covers all groups - the islanders, the people deported, the slave labour imported, and the occupiers. Thanks especially to the dedicated work of the late Joe Miere, it does so in a detailed way, reclaiming every individual name possible from history.
The Occupation of the Channel Islands is a chilling story because it does not duck the issue of collaboration but faces the charge that whilst some people were beaten in to submission, others required very much less coercion to sell-out their countrymen as a means of settling petty scores.
The exact methods of increasing control are examined, and how they were used for PR effect within Germany. The Channel Islands were used to suggest that British people were willing to capitulate and to deceive the German people in to thinking that the occupation was further advanced than it actually was.
The museum is particularly relevant to children because it contains records and memorials to the teenagers who died trying to escape, or defied the authorities and were punished for it. It takes a minimum of three hours to go through the tunnels, where the weight of the rock and earth embody the weight of the malignant state.
Important though Auschwitz is, it is not necessarily the right place to begin to teach British children about their modern history.
The Jersey War Tunnels, however, show the story of what can happen to the ordinary subjects of Her Majesty - very ordinary most of them: farmers, fishermen, shopkepers, school children - under the heel of a foreign force.
Balls Ed, learn well do you.
Master Yoda Dark Side You has shown.
Now You The master of Spin
Balls has succeded. Can't seem to see any mention of the other 25 gimicks anywhere.. All everyone is talking about is the holocaust, which is exactly what he intended.
Furnish a link please someone..
I despair for this country. The Guardian is reporting that Cameron was attacking the trips to Auschwitz as being a gimmick. That's so blatantly not what he was attacking! He was attacking the fact that Labour said it was funding these trips but actually left a shortfall of £100 per pupil. How stupid do these leftie journalists think we are?!
If this is how Balls and the Labour Party feel they have to attack the Tories, they've well and truly lost the fight and I can't wait to see them wiped out at the next election. Bring it on!
Yak 40: "Maybe take a side trip to Katyn Forest to see how the lefties did it..."
Come off it Yak, Katyn's dead just don't have the same PR and profile as Nazi victims. For that reason, no one is going to send UK school kids to the depths of Smolensk. Besides as you say, Katyn is an inconvenient truth.
those who comment on this blog should go to auschwitz (with lottery money') and be ashamed of themselves. Balls was being opportunistic but this comment page is disgraceful, and much more implicated in turning the holocaust into a party-political issue.
well said ed
never forget
we will forever have the moral authority to act with impunity, wage our own ethnic cleansing in the land God gave us
never forget
and if you dare challenge our misdeeds we will scream anti-semite
never forget
we have youre government, goyem
never forget
Perhaps the children will return from that evil place and know for certain that to put unlimited power into the hands of the state and those who serve it without question is to risk repeating those events.States kill and have always killed.And will always kill.
"It is my life Caesar.It is good to live"-Kenneth Patchen
Our state grows ever more powerful.I do not trust it nor should any of us.
My opinion is we should send our kids to Dresden at the tax payers expence and inform them of the mass murder the allies committed during the dying days of WWII - what was the figure? 20-30k innocent German civilians literaly burnt alive? for no military gain! it makes you fucking sick, even Churchill distanced himself from the raids, which pissed off Bomber Harris. Balls is a total twat who should take a few elementary lessons in history.
Why do socialists whinge the loudest about mass murder? is it because the top 10 worst killers in "a government category" were.....socialists well pretend anyway like nulab. Mao,stalin.hitler and the rest all fuckin leftys.
There is so much blood on their hands it will never wash off.
Of course it's a chuffing gimmick and a particularly blatant and cynical one.
With one eye catching, if patently dissembling, initiative the Gov can delay revealing the true state of British education for a few more days. And if anyone dares to criticise it, they can immediately be labelled "holocaust deniers".
From the scumbags' point of view it's perfect.
btw Do the people who run the Auschwitz memorial really want hordes of Britchavs descending upon their site?
If some of the comments left in the visitors' books of WWI memorials by examples of the youth of the nation on similar junkets are anything to go by, the little sods won't appreciate or learn anything.
Cameron has lost too many of the best conservative activists to be able to win, due to his total shit he has given them over the last two years ETC. A lists etc.
OT Tomy McNulty idiocy on Today programme.
Q: Why should innocent people be on the database?
A: They should be happy as we use the database to exclude them from enquiries
Q: Do you want everyone on the database
A: No
???
@disgusted of east dudley
8:37am
Yes, McNulty's idiot utterances on Today programme this morning were jaw dropping in their stupidity but helpfully they underlined the shameless, corrupt totalitarian behaviour of this incomptent Labour Party government. And why oh why did the Tories roll out the ineffectual Lord Hunt to rebut Labour's bogus 'Auschwitz' spin? Ramble, ramble, ramble...zzzz! I was dying for Lord Hunt to simply tell that lying wanker of repute, Denis Macshane, to shut the fuck up!
Anonymous 12:29 AM
"those who comment on this blog should go to auschwitz (with lottery money') and be ashamed of themselves."
what the fuck are you on about.... do you think we are incapable of reading history, watching old newsreels, talking to old people with tattood numbers (not chav symblols) and forming an opinion. I learned all about it when the perpetrators of this evil were called germans, an easily identifiable group... the perpetrators are now called nazis who now are an abstact thought and in the minds of the young perhaps... no longer exist.
Ed Balls and those who accuse others of anti-semitism should read "The holocaust industry" by Norman Finkelstein before they open their big mouths. (link above)
Does anyone know the odious Denis Macshane's real name?
Surely everyone knows that Denis Macshane's real name is Dr Denis Matyjaszek.
Just as the Duke of Edinburgh's real name is Philippos Andreou of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderberg-Glücksburg Prince of Greece and Denmark.
"Does anyone know the odious Denis Macshane's real name?"
Yes, it's "Rentagob", a monicker he shares with Stephen Pound, MP.
all of this false concern for the holocaust sickens me....not that i denigrate the suffering of those people..i lived in frankfurt for two years and saw the very small plaques (strngely almost hidden away) on walls commemorating the burning of synagogues and went to an exhibition at the rothschild centre which showed pictures of jews being escorted to the train station with armed soldiers and the locals in a frenzy,shouting,screaming and spitting on the victims.
But - why is this above any other group that have suffered and why is it almost taboo to speak about it?how can we have 'holocaust remembrance days' with shitbags like blair in attendance while 600,000+ iraqis died because of him and labour? Balls IS trying to gain political capital from this and the tories are so scared of this that they cannot make a decent reply in case they are labelled racists etc........
how about we remember the people that died in this country at the hands of others and gave their lives for twats like brown and balls to live in cocoons?
i recently asked my nan about the war.sixty years later she still doesnt want to talk about it as so many people she knew were killed...
it is time tat all this bullshit was stopped and we had a decent opposition..are there any politicians with the courage of those that paid with their lives that will stand up to be counted?
sadly i don't think so.......
bofl
The Holocaust was a terrible event. It was not the only terrible event in the world's history. As others on this blog item have pointed out, other terrible events have happened both before and after the Second World war. So why indeed does just the Holocaust get the lime-light?
It's a pity the point about the gimmick being the deceitful funding and not the place itself was not made clearer.
Blinky Balls would not recognise irony if Gordon Brown ejaculated it up his nostrils!
There has ALWAYS been funding for Auschwitz visits so why is NuLiebour making a fuss about the TINY additional funding?
The LOTTO could easily fund trips for whole classes to make the trip not just to Auschwitz-birkenau but to all the sites of the final solution!
The NuLab spin 'N' lies machine has sunk to new lows by trying to spin this insult of a contribution as NuLab propaganda.
BTW Do you think that any Islamist/muslim school will be making the trip?
Of all the diversionary stories to cover the Northern Wreck fiasco, the NuLab scumbags choose to hide behind a story that should stand above petty party politics? Bastards all!
The plot thickens I think?
The 'new' funding is being used to comply with all the new insane rules on school trips brought in by? wait for it... NuLiebour & the EU!
When the massive increase in trip insurance and health'N'safety compliance and risk asessments and admin fees are taken into account then the tiny and insulting figure is nothing more than a smack in the face of every Nazi victim!
Because of all the recent rules and regulations the schools will get LESS funding in real terms than they do now for these trips.
Truly these fucking NuLab scum want stabbing.
Forget about taking the kids to Auschwitz, that's old hat.
Take them instead to Finsbury Park mosque to show them where the next "holocaust" is being planned.
This effortless cynicism and deceit of Ed Balls is typical of him.
Everyone rightly loathes Balls, but actually it is more serious than this.
Ed Balls is intensely calculating and ambitious, and completely without conscience. He is only interested in power for himself, for its own sake. He does not know the meaning of integrity and decency except as useful weaknesses in his opponents. He is capable of ANYTHING to further his own advance to total power.
This dark and sinister individual is currently playing the role of Martin Bormann to Führer Brown - but in actual fact is just using him and waiting for his opportunity.
He has the mindset of a totalitarian and should be kept away from any political power at all costs, as he will misuse it for his own personal purposes.
This person is not a democrat and is very, very dangerous. You have been warned.
I wonder how many books £4.65million buys?
And an even more shocking question - I wonder how many books £4.65million buys - that is about a period of history that doesn't involve Stalin and the Nazis.
I can't help feeling that something is going wrong with the teaching of history, since supposedly it is meant to teach people the errors of the past - yet here we have a petite bourgeouis government with weird racial poliicies and principles, a creed based on health and fitness driven by doctors, a policy of actively villifying and marginalising the mentally ill and it all being funded by a few wealthy industrialists - one wonders if the trips to Auschwitz are some kind of training exercise?
The way that anything that the Conservatives say against the government is either a "gimmick" or "political opportunism" is getting a bit of a bore.
If the Conservatives found that Broon or Darling had transferred most of the UK currency reserves (if we have any) into his personal numbered Swiss bank account then Labour would accuse them of political opportunism.
They don't seem to understand the purpose of an opposition party in government.
Second thoughts, it would be too complicated for Darling to manage.
No doubt the kids will be told (repeatedly) that the EU is the real and only protector against a return of evil.
I guess it is just more of the usual mindbending indoctrination. Make sure easily influenced kids support the EU. It has been going on for years now. March of the Brain-Dead.
As a mother of two teenagers, I don't go for this "they must see Aushwitz to understand" nonsense. It is a gimmick.
And why do schoolkids need to have Nazi Germany in their syllabus for year after year till they're so bored with it that they become numb?
Don't waste money ferrying them across Europe. Use the education system to teach kids to think for themselves - now that IS a revolutionary idea in today's schools.
12:30
Charges of "opportunism" would get nowhere if the BBC did not repeat it with delight and solemn face, along with all Labour's slogans against the Tories.
The BBC are distorting all politics; when will people not bloody well wake up to what they are doing?
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mb @ 12:30 what you fail to realise is that Nu-Liebour truly believe - not just think, not just plain belief but deep down, through to their bones BELIEVE - that they are right in everything they do and that therefore anyone who disagrees with them or highlights their failings/incompetence/corruption/deceit (choose those you think appropriate to a particular example)is guilty of "politcal opportunism".
There IS and can be only one approach and it is theirs. Anyone else is either sadly deluded/politically incorrect/failing to realise that politics is dead and Nu-Liebour are the one-party government for the rest of all time.
Guardian article this morning:
Government wants personal details of every traveller: Phone numbers and credit card data to be collected under expanded EU plan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/23/uksecurity.terrorismandtravel
Well, the legislation is just about in place for the Police State.
Is there anyone who will take an effective lead to stop this? Many would follow such a person. History will condemn this generation of soft, effete careerists allowing this to happen in front of our very noses.
I heard that stupid Polish fuck Macshane on the radio this morning. The cack brained retard does not even know how to pronounce the word Auschwitz, much less say anything of any interest on the subject. He's just a bladder on a stick filled with Grim Gordon's fart gas. And if you're reading this Denis you fucking imbecile, it's pronounced Auschwitz with a "sh", not Auss-witz. Got that shit for brains?
I also heard that fuckwitted weasel McNulty. The daft cunt hasn't got the brains of a squashed hedgehog. Apparently the half million innocent people on the DNA database should be happy, because it will protect them from false accusations, therefore there are no plans to extend these benefits to the other fifty million innocent people in the UK. It's tragic that they shut down the mental hospitals, this dimwitted fuck could have had a useful life basket weaving instead of trying to make sense of the papers with big words in that red box they keep giving him to take home every night.
anon 12.29,
it was the labour party and ed balls who politicised and personalised the issue. try and keep up.
anon 4.32,
you are quite correct ofcourse.
tony mcnulty is a complete spastic.
I'm not sure whether denis macshane is an even bigger spastic because he is so very mentally retarded but mcnulty is such a useless and pompous oaf of a cunt that I would say on balance he is a slightly bigger spastic than macshane.
it could even be possible that tony mcnulty maybe one of the biggest spastics in england.
well done tony!
you wanker.
Obviously such trips are to show the school children EXACTLY which direction the UK is heading under New Labour, what with CCTV surveillance, ID cards, and stealing DNA and fingerprints, and the deliberate loss of your private data, there's only one way it's all going to end up, all thanks to New Labour and their Commie friends in Europe.
Fuck the lot of them - I really have had enough of the sleazy dickheads that run this country
Fortunately I have enough mooloola to leave this dump when I stop work
Any one of the comment makers in this thread could have shown CCO how to make an effective response to the ridiculous attacks by Balls and the media. So the real problem for the Tories is that they have no ability to make effective, rapid responses to obviously crass criticism.....they are indeed in trouble.
As for the Balls policy, it's a gimmick all right. I teach history in a state school and I've not heard much about this wonderful new fund. Even if I had, what on earth use is it to send just two pupils to Auschwitz?? Everything this idiot says has party political gimmick written all over it, and I can't wait for him to leave Schools and go back to the Treasury. won;t be long now I guess...
Oh, balls to Balls and his deranged ideas and half-baked notions!
Every sane person in the country can see that this is a gimmick. I'm Jewish - and not only do I think it's a gimmick - but an offensive gimmick. It's pretty sick of Balls to use Auschwitz in this manipulative way. If the British people are taken in by this crap then there really is no hope for the country. But I sincerely don't think the vast majority will be.
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