Hain Cover-Up Not An "Absurd" Idea
Hain is attempting to shamelessly tough it out, despite even members of his own campaign team telling him to resign. He says the idea that he had attempted "to hide anything is absurd". Is it really?Why did his campaign wash cash through the Progressive Policies Forum (PPF) shell company in that case?
- The BBC is reporting that one of the donations was transferred immediately it was received in the PPF account to his campaign account. Why not donate it directly to the Hain campaign if you have nothing to hide?
- Willie Nagel, a diamond dealer, used PPF to keep his donation private. Indeed that was the condition upon which the donation was made. That is not in the spirit of the law. It is a deliberate attempt to hide the source of funds. Not so absurd now is it?
- Is it absurd to wonder if his campaign team thought it might be better for the campaign's left-wing credentials if it was not known to be the recipient of funds from a foreign multi-millionaire diamond dealer?
- Perhaps the great anti-Apartheid veteran did not want the embarrassment of it being known that he was funded by Isaac Kaye, a former supporter of South Africa's Afrikaner-led National Party. Kaye has previously been involved in "gifts for influence" and NHS price fixing scandals. Being known to be funded by an under investigation NHS profiteer would not appeal to Labour Party activist voters.
Routing the funds through a faux think-tank would disguise their source. Did somebody decide that not declaring them to the Electoral commission would avoid the risk of awkward questions altogether? It was absurdly bad luck that the unrelated Jon Mendelsohn / Abrahams proxy donor scandal resulted in Mendelsohn's undeclared donation eventually being exposed. Mendelsohn's admission meant that the other undeclared donations would inevitably come out during the police investigation - if it was not for the Abrahams scandal blowing up, Hain would have probably got away with it. It is the cover-up that always gets them in the end...
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Hain thinks he can shout loudly "nothing to see here" and the papers will let him off the hook. Not so - he's got to go.
If Hain knew at the time of the election that his fund was well short, and set about soliciting more, then he must have known that the money was coming in, and from which direction. The ten-year sleaze trail is being tracked, and the public will remember. Hain's time is up.
My Son is innocent of all charges. He am a damm fine man an dis skurilus link to a Aparfied supporter is bolleaux.
There is real anger amongst grass roots Labour members over this. Hain should get out of Resolven and start meeting a few people who will tell him the truth rather than blow smoke up his backside. The longer he stays the more damage he does to the party. The Tories must be laughing at this complete distraction to any attempt by Gordon Brown to relaunch anything. If I were alabour candidate in this year's local elctions at this rate I wouldn't even bother to turn up.
any answers on radio 4 took 5 calls about Hain. All wanted him to go including Labour party members!!
keep supporting him gordo and ensure you are fucked at the next election!!!!
I am innocent. I simply forgot and if you look beneath my orange tan you will see that I am red with embarrasment.....that no Cabinat Minister collegue has jumped in to my defence.
Where is my mate Wee Duggie who I supported over the Mouth of the Clyde's problems and where is Harriet? To think that I let her give me a BJ. And Gordo, thats the last time I rock your horse. Full confidence my arse.
This pointless, lame-duck government is stitched together by mutual self-interest, personal greed and media manipulation. When one of them goes, the rest will implode. As the late, great Saddam Hussein used to advise his cabinet colleagues, "if we don't hang together, we will hang separately". How right he was.
So much for Brown bringing a new broom to politics. Where Blair left off with police investigations and Lord Levy, Brown's picked up the batten with dodgy donations and late declarations.
I'm due to pay the DVLA a fine for not getting my tax disc for a motorbike, it's been garaged and off the road for monthhs. Perhaps I can just claim I've been too busy at work to care for the rules? After all, if this defence, ignorance of the law, is good enough for a legislator, then a humble voter should be able to employ it too.
Brass it out is all that ZaNuLab have left--The Question is-- can he get away with it?. The ITV news I am even now looking at has done its best to give the impression that, with Bottlers support, the orange freak will survive. Keep the revelations coming Guido. The only good thing here is that if any of the 3 stooges (Orange boy, Harriet "Feminazi" Hagman and trout faced Wendy)are forced to go, then all of them may fall.How about expanding the cash-for-honours private prosecution to include this lot?.
Typical NuLab arrogance. They will never learn! What a bunch of cunts!
I think it is better for Cameron that Hain stays... I think that’s why the Conservatives have held off generally in their criticism of him...I think they realise that the stench of sleaze (thanks also to Wendy Alexander and Harriet Harman) will stay with Gordo's administration as while Hain stays in a job...
Walk the plank, you corrupt, thieving, incompetent, orange bastard.
Peter 'tango' Hain - the dodgiest Labour 'MP' to frequent a park since Ron Davies
I cannot wait for tomorrow's Sunday papers !!
Looks like this will be dominating the news agenda for at least another week or two while the investigation is carried out...
So much for the 're-launch'...
I can't understand how Hain can try and say he was so busy being a Cabinet Minister he didn't have time to ensure he was obeying the law. If he was so busy he didn't have time to do other stuff then why was he running for deputy leader? And how did he find the time to go campaigning when surely his first priority should have been acting within the law.
It's not fair that someone who has fought against racial discrimination all his life should be lambasted just because he's orange.
Or rather, Orange. Shouldn't the Orange Community be entitled to capital letters just like Blacks, Yellows (Mr Sam, where are you?), Greens, Blues (let's hear it from you Tory boys) and, of course, Reds, which poor Mr Hain is, too.
This is sooooo confusing, Maybe Mr Hain is the result of a mixed marriage between a Red and a Yellow? That would produce an Orange, wouldn't it? Back home in Cape Town they'd be called Coloureds. Or should that be coloureds, since it's not very nice.
Now I'm even more confused. Mr Blair said NuLabour was going to be Whiter than White. He did promise so.
Of course, the real reason Gordon is tolerating this imbecile in cabinet is he knows that if he throws him to the media sharks, the blood in the water will attract them to the other stories of sleazy fundraising endemic in Labour at the moment..
Even if ITN report that this story is over, doesn't it occur to the dimmest reporter that there is something very odd about the existance of a think tank, which has no thinkers, or published papers which donates monies to Phain?
Does Broon think that we should pay attention to this clown's advice on pensions, when he cannot even put his own accounts in order. Which bills is Phain's department working on, which require his full time attention?
Will the Hain Alexander defence be tested by a member of the public appearing in a court, I only broke the rules, not the law?
Isn't also very odd that Phain would only read out the prepared statement, 'watched' by a female minder - who was the woman he marched off with at the end of the statement?
I look forward to further damaging details about Phain's financial management.
Marvellos . Hain toughs it out , guaranteeing weeks of speculation, continual damage to Gordo.. Time to get the Margaux out..
It was absurdly bad luck that the unrelated Jon Mendelsohn / Abrahams proxy donor scandal resulted in Mendelsohn's undeclared donation eventually being exposed.
Mendelsohn himself is one link between the two scandals and I bet there are more. LFI will be at work again.
Oh I hope he stays in office for a long time. Then every time he does anything it can be prefaced by 'the Orange sleaze ball. . . .'
My Husband and I would like to thank Peter for being the only one in the "circle" who is able to change full nappies without gagging. But, as he says, the fumes have saved him a fortune on the tanning bed and his homely orange glow is all down to Gordon.
Free the Neath One
"Hello Picture.....just a minute whilst I tell the Press to keep quiet....I need a loan for £25000. So, no security required just a ringing endorsement. Well that is what I call service. Now what was that nice Mr Cuddy's number
How many more politicians* have these private think tanks** ?
If we could find out when Hain's having a party I've got a drum of rope, and he seems to have plenty of lampposts. :)
* Money grabbing bastards
** Slush funds
Hain knows he's been rumbled. And we know, and he knows we know, and McBean knows as well, and bloggers and the press know. These are known knowns, which the unknown unknowns are fast becoming. Soon there will be such a spate of unknown but suspected unknowns becoming known that everything will be known, and New Labour will be fucked. And you can bet your boots McBean knows this too. Truth will out, and that's a known.
Hain is corrupt. Full stop. The fact the Brown is prepared to keep him there says everything you need to know about this government.
Now Hain obviously has something on Gordon or else he wouldn't still be there. Hain could have made a convienient sacrifical lamb for the whole Donorgate issue, but it seems not. Have they been having their way with the same young male research assistant perhaps?
Remember the heat came off Abrahams when his mate threatened to start outing Senior members of the government....
Is there one "honorable member" in zanulab? can you offer a prize for spotting one.
Its always money with these fools its like catnip and they will rock anyones horse to get it.
New Labour Rhyming Slang..
Diamond Dealer = Dodgy Geezer...
I suggest we all email Mr Hain with our views:
hainp@parliament.gov.uk
He'll feel no shame, but it might irritate him.
Isn't it wonderful that NuLab has so many backers whose generosity is only matched by their discretion?
These people are most admirable in their dedication to furthering our democratic process without wanting us ever to know. Such altruism puts the rest of us to shame.
Ministers admit "it looks bad for Peter Hain" (Telegraph)
Gordo and Pensioner are INTRINICally connected by the GOLDEN THREAD of connected donors to their leadership campaigns....Lord Alexander (sandy) Leitch is a declared benefactor to Gordo's leadership contest that never was and Wallace Dobbin is a declared banker to Pensioner.
Leitch and Pensioner have had different kinds of Kimberley tastes (Lady and diamond trader).
You only have to look at Peter Hain to know he spends far too much on grooming and clothes. Do MPs get a clothing allowance or is that where some of the money has gone?
p.s. It certainly wasn't done with a Burton's account
Guido, you've been worrying away at Hain for months and now when the press are in full cry it's tempting to wield the chainsaw and finish him off.
But I agree with the sentiment that it's best to leave him in place. He's doing an immense and necessary service for the country: he's waking everyone up to reality. The penny is dropping even for those with no interest in such things.
I don't just want Hain to go. I want him to bring down the whole rotten, stinking edifice of New Labour.
Bit late moaning about the govt after you sassenachs elected them 3 times in a row, isnt it?
You should have seen the light as we, in Scotland did recently. We booted out nulab forever and now have a professional SNP govt looking after us for the first time in 300years.
Anyway, better luck with your choice of govt next time.
Byee
Phil Woolarse MP is being blamed for blowing Pensioners stache of cash by Hain 'mole' ( please choose 1. Hain 2 Maesteg Maggot Morgan 3 Professor John Underwood 4 Gordo as the Times source).
Interestingly MP, Woolarse got a grand from some opinon forum 7 years ago , and an unspecified fee for forming a company which he declared in the register of interests.........resonates in present climate.
(Gordo) Leitch and (Pensioner) Dobbin election benefactors are Intrinsic...ally related.
gordon's rocking horse has it in one - the threat of outing has caused more non-resignations than you can shake a brown hat at.
"This Government, of which the Orange cunt is still a member...."
Looks like my prediction from this morning was chillingly accurate...
"Statement from phain in the next 45 mins according to the beeb. I'd imagine it'll be something along the lines of "Lots of recent speculation about my finances...accounting errors...minor irregularities...junior officials...full statement of my affairs...not a resigning matter...thank you"
10:29 AM, January 12, 2008
Anyone report the Welsh Saddo seen on the evening news reading to himself in the Park to the Pork Chops. I heard of the Perp Walk , but Perp Talk in a public park.....positively perv. He is giving us decent villains a bad name.
Hain received £183,000.
The average price of a house in Britain is £183,410.
Are these two facts in any way related?
There was this film...Michelle Pfeiffer, looked ace in a bedly gear. Rubbish plot, what was the title?
Oh yeah. What Lies Be Neath.
That's the light fingered, orange fucker who burst into my bank back in the 70's!
If Hain does not go, the buck stops with the PM. After the many Labour party funding scandals, Brown cannot allow this issue to rumble on for any longer. Decisive action needs to be taken, and heads must roll.
If Hain lasts beyond the middle of next week the implication is that the PM his self is as sleazy as the rest of them.
dont worry its not over yet
a while ago a certain special adviser to the welsh office
andrew Mcmenamin was accused of certain anti plaid cymru posters
by the looks of it he was replaced by mr joe carberry alongside Dr andrew bold
there appears to be someone called kay carberry who is gen sec of the TUC who has special responsibility for health and pensions .
starting to join the dots up now peter eh.
all that tax payers money , hope it didnt go where it shouldnt !!
Pain in the park, as I see the ghost of disgraced ex cabinet minister Ron Davies hovering behind the tree behind Pensioner behind the Rockin Horse behind Go...
Tango the turncoat tosser takes tips from tits and it turns out the cunt can't count. An inumerate idiot in charge of work and Wales wastes time whilst waiting to walk. The wanker. Why won't he just wuck off.
...and another thing I have a lot of transactions through my business and it costs us about 150 per month for a book - keeper to keep it all up to date on a cheap work station running sage line 50 so that each month we have a P&L. Why the fuck this cannot work for a relatively small number of donations totally escapes me. The only reason can be that it was dodgy money.
These people are dead men walking ... and they know it.
Know a man by the company he keeps - and Brown wants to keep him.
Dine at the New Labour restaurant - customers vomiting on the tables and floors - staggering to the door - trying to get out - screaming at the waiters - and there is Hain - dumb-waiter - mouthing repeatedly - can't see the problem - it's absurd.
And the Brown maitre d' nodding with quiet satisfaction - "What the fuck can these sick bastards do about it?" It'll be business as usual tomorrow, dinna ye ken!
It is interesting the Labour understanding of Think Tanks.
The 'Black London Forum', as Gilligan discovered recently, has more funding than activities.
Oh, and that Wendy Alexander set up a think tank in September. Can you find any ideas that have emanated from her 'Ideas Scotland'?
When is a Think Tank a financial instrument?
iola - and the fucker flees free!
"The longer he stays the more damage he does to the party." says Donald Coleman.
Yes, yes! Keep him on until the whole lot hit the ocean floor. Gobbler, Harperson, Millipede, Smiff, the whole fucking lot.
Further to Fortinbras:does anyone out there know whether or not Hain was/is in a position to award juicy contracts to these generous donors? Think Capita et al.
What we're fogetting is this: For all the money he spent on his election campaign, the fuckwit came fifth.
Pretty poor value, I'd say.
45govt ... on our fucking money!
We all know that Hain received donations in excess of £100k, but do we know what he spent it on? After all, his total is five times that of five other would-be's and he still couldn't make any headway, so isn't it relevant to find out just what he is supposed to have done with it?
The same of course goes for Brown's £200+k.
Those would be very interesting answers and I suspect would lead to evidence further corruption.
Come on, there must be a way to find this out!
It appears there is a Facebook group for people who like to poke Peter Hain - apparently he pokes them back - I shudder to imagine.
http://manchester.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2337523038
An awful lot of stamps ?
Peter Hain's career hangs by a thread as Tesco is dragged into donations controversy - and his appalled staff mutiny
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507889&in_page_id=1770
Mail on Sunday looks like it will contain 'further revelations'
It is interesting the Labour understanding of Think Tanks.
Oh, and that Wendy Alexander set up a think tank in September. Can you find any ideas that have emanated from her 'Ideas Scotland'?
8:22 PM, January 12, 2008
The nulab numpties up here were summoned to wendys think tank-they all duly appeared in bathing costumes and flippers!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2007/12/20/cameron-s-60k-dinner-money-scam-89520-20260822/
The tory leader had cash for access in China surely this is a bigger story. Oh i forgot you are a tory. Well time to play dirty.
Notice how Gordon Brown is still short on political skills. A smart man would have sacked Hain this afternoon. It's called damage limitation.
The Tangerine Turd should go back to the job he was born for: Cricket club groundsman.
Gorgon relaunch (how many is this) reminds me of the space shuttle Challenger it took off well did a few maneuvers ok then some poxy o ring (hain) couldn't contain the thrust and boom! blood and snot all over the landscape and like the shuttle it will be grounded for years then buried somewhere to stop people stealing bits.
Sorry gorgon you had your go and you are just not up to the job like bliar said.
Anon. NuLab troll, if you have any evidence regarding this (apart from a Mirror story of 20 Dec) may I suggest you put it before the appropriate authorities. I don't notice the Mirror has done this and are using the word "alleged". Do you do know what this word means?
Steve Morgan was a puppet behind the (failed) election campaign of global warming con-man Al Gore.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_02/morganMOS1201_468x580.jpg
They should both be shot; Morgan for supporting a traitor and Gore for destroying civilization.
What a pathetic story in the Mirror(Anon, above). The first paragraph doesn't even make sense.
Given what Blunkett seems to have got away with, I imagine Hain is assuming that he can look to that as precedent and just ride the whole thing out. Still - No. 10 has given him their 'full backing', which is usually a death knell.
BBC spinning on Hain's behalf: he's not done anything wrong, but might have to go anyway:
Peter Hain has been in tighter spots before. After all how many other cabinet ministers have stood trial for bank robbery? (When he was an anti-apartheid campaigner in the 1970s the South African security services tried to frame him for a bank robbery). But in the past, ministers have had to go not because the burden of proof is against them but because they have become too much of a burden for the prime minister of the day to bear.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7185499.stm
With all the sleaze concernin
A new poll by Ipsos-MORI for the Sun today goes completely against the run of other recent surveys and reports that Cameron’s Tories now have a 10% lead.
The following are the shares with changes on the last survey from the pollster before Christmas - CON 42(nc): LAB 32(-3): LD 15(+1)
After a period when Populus, YouGov and ICM have all reported Labour deficits of within 5% today’s survey goes very much against the way things seemed to be going. It also comes after a quiet period for UK politics in general and for the Tories in particular. Generally the main opposition party does better when it is making the news.
Given the effort that Brown has put into the New Year with the “re-launch” that cannot be called that this could be quite worrying. This week he has hardly been off our TV screens with one announcement after another which he has made personally rather than leaving it to the responsible minister like Alan Johnsong Hain.
cameron on marr show tommorow .
mcihael gove on any questions "peter hain seems to have to have taken funding sleaze beyond more than most "
sky news lawyer, this is more than a donar problem its , a potential crimal act . donating via a third party .and outside of allowed is tax evasion.
its scale of the new labour lies and robbery of people ,weve been made puppet chumps by this lot .
are we to belive that an experinced (if rather dodgey) politician should not ensure that his office runs correctly, its his responsibility , he is responsible.
theve robbed us all and made right mess .
Have you not realized that the current Government is above the law? Get over it! Really, what good does bitching on a blog do? Or are dreaming of a private prosecution ...
This week he has hardly been off our TV screens with one announcement after another...
And what "announcements" are these? All I can recall is Patient, Heal Thyself.
On top of which we have Harperson wanting to ban prostitution, Harperson calling for the voting age to be lowered to 16, and a new blitz on motorists who park their cars - all designed to make enemies of the thinking public.
Oh, and probably some shit about banning light bulbs.
Remind me of another.
Hain will be out of his cabinet post before the end of the week.
That's 100% certain, guaranteed.
This Hain thing is tedious beyond belief outside of a few political obsessives. I even get the impression Guido is losing the will to live on this one.
shropshirehillbilly is right - everyone is assuming Hain et al spent all the money, what if he didn't ? Where is it now?
M. Sarkozy said it best; "Racaiile".
Adam Boulton on Sky in talking to Jim Knight, Education Minister, and rebutting the latter's smear that Cameron and Osbourne have committed the same crime as Hain.
Boulton correctly stopped Knight from continuing the lie that neither Cameron nor Osbourne reported their donations. Both did, and not under duress, like Hain.
The NuLiebor smear machine is still alive and kicking.
Peter Grimes
How do we know the then South African Secret Service tried to frame Hain. In view of the present disclosures, maybe he was the bank robber!!
Hain will have to go, for reasons unconnected to sleaze. The Tories stole a march on Liabour with their recent incapacity benefit proposals. They have the ball, and the goal is empty....no chance of Liar Hain making himself available for interviews!
Hain is being kept until the last possible moment as a human shield....when his corpse is completely bullet-riddled, it will be discarded as the scalp to "draw a line" under this instalment of the long-running sleaze saga.
No ifs, no buts...
"On top of which we have Harperson wanting to ban prostitution"
No, she wants to criminalise men for paying for sex. Isn't that sexual discrimination or sexual criminalisation or something?
Whatever, she is one nasty piece of work. The mother of all bitches.
English parliament now! Scotch out (includes cabinet)! Welsh out! South African orange bastard out!
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