The view of Guido's readers is clear, Derek Conway's financial arrangements are unacceptable. If Cameron does nothing, it is a case of accepting politics as usual. Fiddling thousands of pounds off the taxpayers to finance your son's education is not acceptable. Lawmakers can not be law breakers.
Cameron has the power to withdraw the whip from Conway, his constituency party have the power to withdraw their support for him as a candidate. What is it to be?
Incidentally, do you think we will see articles from Sir Michael White et al explaining that it is a trivial amount of money? Will we see those who have been writing apologia on behalf of Hain, Harman, Johnson and Wendy Alexander doing the same for Derek Conway? Don't hold your breath...
Cameron has the power to withdraw the whip from Conway, his constituency party have the power to withdraw their support for him as a candidate. What is it to be?
Incidentally, do you think we will see articles from Sir Michael White et al explaining that it is a trivial amount of money? Will we see those who have been writing apologia on behalf of Hain, Harman, Johnson and Wendy Alexander doing the same for Derek Conway? Don't hold your breath...
71 comments:
Go for the sleazeball Guido - if Cameron doesn't seize this golden opportunity, I give up on him.
Could be two "swastikas" on your cockpit!
Absolutely Guido!
Were these various pounds mentioned on expenses, and to whom were they justified?
Who checked the job done by his son?
Who audited the outlay?
Who submitted the tax returns?
Who payed the tax?
Why do people like me get furious when we remember John Major mucking about in the same way?
It's bad enough knowing about the sleaze in Gordon Brown's lot, but this just breaks the fantasy doesn't it!
We'll never get rid of the Unpublic Scroungers if we tolerate such awful behaviour.
Tory Stooge!
no, hang on, wait...
bad news, folks...
The Police aren't interested.
MPs pay and expenses come under parliamentary privilege, and are subject to the doctrine of “exclusive cognisance”, which in a nutshell means...
if an MP wants to rob and fiddle his allowances and expenses, there is not a plod or a court in the land that can do anything about it….
Let's pull no punches. What we saw today was the House of Commons conniving in a smash-and-grab committed by one of its own Members...
There must be mileage now in someone setting up a National Anti-Sleaze Party to contest every seat at the next election…
WTF happened to Bell?
i think anonemo listing of secs aids is quite amazing , family business or what!!
conways statement didnt go far enough for me , he has to repay it and get the boot .
come to think of it the others should repay and get the boot as well.
on johnson and the curious 16 people at croydon flat above a pub in a high benefits dependency area , it seems it was brown that fingerd him , although this energy trading co seems interesting.
stanislav "mr ashdown giving rise to busiest toilet in kabul" it seems mr kharzi whishes to keep his karzi intact.
beauty of maths anything in 666 ??
and for anyone who missed mrs dunwoody speaking tonight on euro bill in the house , it should be sent to every school , same goes to richard shepperd, patrick mcormack and even simon hughes saw it was a dogs dinner and sham , they are trying to not allow debate, and they are our representatives??
anyone for game of maguire bingo?
Quite agree Guido. Conway should be On his way.
Alas he will not be the only MP milking the system. It is time that MPs, like the rest of us, have all perks and benefits approved by a regulator on initial application.
Come on citoyens this is the firking way to clean up politics, sack the tosser and anyone else with fingers in the till!
We the cyberdevotees of Guido must be heard!
Yes, Dave, resign the bastard first thing in the a.m.
Well spoke, that Fawkes!
P.S. I did a double take. Thought you said "Lawnrakers cannot be law makers", whereupon I was also about to agree.
P.P.S. I had one of those machines and it ruined the turf.
this self admitted thief must be told to resign.
an example must be made. the embezzlement of taxpayers' money is unacceptable. to claim we live in a democracy when the people we elect are stealing money from us is a poisonous boil upon our democratic process. this boil must be lanced. a great deal of pus will pour forth but if this is not done the infection from this poison could very well kill the patient.
if you don't act this week dave, it will be clear for all to see that you are a completely useless and self serving cunt. It would also prove that you are completely unworthy of becoming The British Prime Minister. over to you dave.
Herr Guido
Sie haben recht - you are right again
Mr Conway must get the boot
Yr obedient servant etc
G E
This is a can of worms that could easily involve members of other parties too. Everyone will be treading very carefully. Let him that is without sin cast the first stone.
come on cameron show the bottler how to make a real long term decision.
Fuck me, Guido.
You really do believe politicians should be morally coherent. And blood on the walls if one of our own is caught out.
I'll vote for you. All these scumbags, whatever their party, are taking the piss.
¨This is a can of worms that could easily involve members of other parties too. Everyone will be treading very carefully. Let him that is without sin cast the first stone.¨
Excellent!! Lets get rid of the lot of them, and a few of Blairs ¨Lords¨ too.
A can of worms like this doesn´t present it self too often, lets open it and be damned.
Six months without a functioning government - sheer blis.
Bloody hell Guido, this just to prove you aren't in Central Office's pay?
anon 10:01
If there was no government would Her Maj have to install her own?
Presumably the Chief of General Staff would be PM, but maybe Guido for Minister Against Sleaze?
We can but dream....
anon 10:01
I heartily agree. I suppose if they were all kicked out, Her Maj would have to form a government?
Chief of General Staff would presumably be PM, but maybe Guido for Minister Against Sleaze?
We can but dream...
Anon@9.58 - unlike the NuLab trolls defending Hain, you'll find few real Conservatives defending sleaze-buckets like Conway. Some Tory MPs have been complaining to the whips about him.
Cameron has to sack him.
derek conway knows where the bodies are buried. he was a whip for years, think what that means in terms of what he knows about whom. at worst, all he has done is do what MPs have done for decades. i'm not condoning it, whatever it is he has actually done. but turkeys don't vote for christmas. and no tory leader - or chief whip - with an interest in staying in their job would dare take on conway. he'll stay.
Yes I am an Anonymous Tory Supporter
Dave needs to sack this Greedy Bastard now.
I notice that Mrs Dale is also unusually quiet about this matter.
OT I know - but just seen on TV (BBC London News 10.30 pm) that a company of which Lee Jasper is a director, and which has received City Hall money, was today raided by the cops!! Some outfit called Ethic Mutual apparently, that was 'making loans to the community'...any more news?
That Iain Dale is being very silent on this one. He really ought to express his views, lest one think he was a slimy little hypocrite. Could it be because Conway is another of David Davis' cronies?
splashitallover said.
All the more reason to sack him. You can never operate fearing what an individual may say.
Lets face it Conway is damaged goods and whatever he says will be regarded as sour grapes!
That he has not been sacked already by Cameron shows that DaveyBoy has NO leadership qualities whatsoever.
He should have sacked him after Conway made his apology to the house this afternoon. That would have given Cameron the moral highground.
They are all in a club.
I agree the time IS ripe for a Sleezebusting Party to be formed.
Moment of truth for Dave.
Put up or shut up.
As an ex-Labour voter totally disillusioned with the lying scumbags and now considering voting Tory I fervently hope that Cameron will sack this thieving swine Conway.
This is Cameron's chance to show all voters that he is a better man than sleazy Brown. Let's hope he takes it.
After today I'll have to change my views about you Guido you have my respect.
The reason Cameron won't kick out Conway is simple, he'll go to the press with his list of all the other scumbags who are on the fiddle.
Oh lordy, It seems Gordon wasnt aware there were drink fuelled fisticuffs in our pleasant little towns. Still now he has seen it on Sky news he is going to sort it out. Better late than never I suppose. I hope he has it boxed off by Friday because I fancy going for a pint. Cant decide between Mancester city centre with gangland protection rackets,the high chance of being shot or stabbed or just jumped by a gang and kicked to fuck, or alternatively I could chance a gallon or two in the private members bar at Westminster. I wonder how many glassings there will be in there this weekend.
What a prize fucking cock that man is.
Anyone know the number for Baarder Meinhoff?
I do not understand what all the fuss is about. £40,000 is not a lot of money, it would not even cover a weekend fact finding mission in Mbuji-Mayi.
I do not understand what the fuss is about. £40,000 is not a lot of money, it would not even cover a weekend fact finding mission in Mbuji-Mayi.
Iain Dale has finally expressed his views on Conway. He SUPPORTS him. Mainly, it seems, on the grounds that he is a personal friend. I always assumed that Dale had some principles but he has now shown where his true loyalties lie.
drum rolllllllllllllllllllllllllll
now is your big moment `DAVE` you gonna blow it?
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phut! sorry lads but Dave is a weak liberal!
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Anonymous said...
This is a can of worms that could easily involve members of other parties too. Everyone will be treading very carefully. Let him that is without sin cast the first stone.
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i can honestly say i never been a corrupt bastard - now be a good boy and fetch the rope.
anon 10.45,
the thief may well go to the press with a list of all the other thieves.
so be it.
Re previous complaints that the Daily Wail doesn't publish your comments. This is a sample of what you're up against from the Mail-reading intelligensia (story was about a council busybody instructing the village hall to remove signs announcing a coffee morning)
PC at its stupid end again.
Who's anti-social?
Another load of whacky jobsworths.
It's not rocket science - there are elections coming up!
What's the council leader's name? Scrooge.
Okay folks you have the ball.
Some of these councils seem to lack judgement and intelligence when deciphering legislation. Get a life!
Pathetic!
What great publicity.
What a joke.
This is truly political correctness gone mad!
Says it all really. It's our duty to enforce legislation. Duty overrides common sense these days then.
What I really think of this latest idiotic nonsense is unprintable!
Cameron is probably worrying that if he has to withdraw the whip from Conway, it'll be the start of an avalanche...
...bring it on.
Cameron has a choice. Be the leader to stand up and say "Politicians must be honest and abide by the law", or forget winning the next election.
Surely, it's an easy choice?
Get rid of limp heir to Bliar Dave the liberal - bring in David Davis.
at least he has some balls!
Why are politicians not being charged by the police who do this is fraud and deception.
They appear to be above the law.
Dave - your lot have to leave behind the taint of Aitken, Archer, Asil Nadir and Hamilton. You have a chance to set a new standard. If you bottle it then more and more of us will vote for fringe nutters - UKIP, Plaid Cymru, BNP, LibDems, whatever, just for a complete change.
Ben Brogan, Political Editor of the Daily Mail, gets it right over at his blog:
"I defy anyone reading this report not to conclude that Mr Conway is guilty of behaviour that is incompatible with being an MP. MPs frequently complain when we report critically their habit of voting themselves pay rises and extra allowances. Yet here we have an example of MPs standing by when one of their number pulls a fast one on the taxpayer. I have reason to believe that the revelations about Mr Conway are about to get worse, which will then leave Mr Cameron facing some difficult choices."
The next time David Cameron rises at PMQs to attack sleaze within the Government Labour MPs will only have to shout 'Derek Conway' back at him to blunt his attack. Unlike Brown Mr Cameron did not dither. He needed just a few hours to decide what to do about Mr Conway. He was decisive but decisively wrong.
He should do the decent thing or Cameron should withdraw the whip. I've said as much on Iain's blog.
Iain's embarrassed because Conway is a friend. Conway is also a friend of David Davis.
Conway shouldn't take advantage of his friends' loyalty. He should go, before Cameron has to do the necessary.
Another Geordie embarrassment!
on the subject of "Lawmakers can not be law breakers" check out www.goughs.info. Not in the same league I know but the Law Society felt that this was perfectly acceptable behavior for a solicitor that is.
I heard on the TV this evening that this was accepted practice some years ago when MP's weren't getting the shed loads of dosh that they are getting today and I wouldn't mind betting that this guy is in the news only because he got caught and there are an awful lot more doing it. Wasn't IDS's accused of something similar with his misses?
When are MP's gonna learn that the rules apply to them as well as us?
Perhaps when enough of them are caught red-handed?
So keep digging Guido I'm sure there's more to be had!
The Daily Mail paper is decent enough by todays stds,
this supplimented with The Times is fine.
At least their not a state propaganda PC rag you cant trust to report honestly on our Goverment, like the Mirror (not fit to wipe my ass with) or the PC ivory tower communist scum Guardian(not fit for cat litter or cleaning the toilet bowl).
Discussing this with a few younger voters I was not surprised to find them unmoved.Labour sleaze ,tory sleaze so what- they assume all politicians are on the make and take.Maybe this is what our rulers really want.Disengagement from democracy so that they can usher in the post democratic agenda.We tell you what to do and think and keep you fed and watered like so many milk cows.This is the EU agenda which is why maybe blogs like this are tolerated.It lets us let off so much hot air while changing nothing.Maybe the Hains and the rest of the bit part players are sacrificed but the real power stays with those who have always held it close.Drink your beer and get on with your lives-pretty soon that is all they will leave us with.Freedom, liberty just words to our rulers that have no meaning.
Cameron should fuck Conway off and soon before he looks like a dithering penis. There is no good way out of this so the quickest way is the best way.
I though Conway was a wanker when he was MP for Shrewsbury and now I know he is.
Conway must retire at the end of this Parliament. I am disgusted with the delay by Gay Dave and Mrs Dales' response.
The Maidstone debacle must also be cleaned up by Cameron. The Candidate has been less than honest, and as one blogger has reported the Conservatives are going to have a repeat of " Cheltenham"
Mrs Dale refuses to publish any anti Conway views on her Blog.
Well done Guido for being an open voice for true Conservatives who are NOT afraid to call a spade a spade.
If of any interest, Hain employs his mother. Although, to be fair, I hear she does actually come into Parliament every now and again.
anon 11.21,
excellent point. I retract my earlier demand for dave to force the thief to resign by the end of the week.
the thief must resign by 9am wednesday morning.
a by-election is a cheap price to pay for the conservatives to exhibit any semblance of moral rectitude.
the restorer of trust or a lame duck opposition leader, what an extraordinary position you find yourself in mr.cameron.
you couldn't make this shit up, could you?
From Ben Brogan today
I have reason to believe that the revelations about Mr Conway are about to get worse...
The BBC will have a field day if it's a tory.
nice article on lab mp chris bryants underpants in the mail , former anglican vicar no less, now wants sex taught to 11yr olds , by whom though!!
anything to do with pink parents web site (google)
looks like being a grubby week, conway it appears did same funding op for his elder son , so its not blown over yet , but hey johnson still has a lot to explain as well , mmm usa registered energy trading company in a flat above a pub in croydon. do we buy leccy from the USA ??
grasper ethical mutal looks like cops are now in on the job , and claims of car milage being put in whilst they were in another country.
nu labour no if no buts , "it is right for us to fiddle"
Conway's fiddle was a common one. At least he didn't have to create a fake Stink Tank like Hain to launder his money!
Conway should not have done it, but let's not pretend it is the same as Hain.
It's like comparing a fiddled expense account to a bank robbery... oh, sorry Mr Hain...
Conway is toast. If Dave does nothing, he's toast too.
What would have happened to any other person caught doing this. They would have been sacked for gross misconduct and the crime would have been reported to the police. Why are politicians above the law. We can smell the Westminster rot in Norfolk.
8.45, Tuesday 29th January, and the clock is ticking.
Today is probably the last day of grace remaining for Cameron.
Withdraw the whip from Conway and signal a fresh start in politics.
The population want shock waves to be felt among the political class. Here is a chance to send one and begin to change the political culture towards 'honesty being the only policy'.
To be a leader needs balls, and not of the 'Ed' kind...i.e. spin is not enough.
You've talked the talk, Dave, now walk the walk.
Today - do it. Never mind the complaints from MPs. They will quieten down when they see that honesty is a vote winner.
Barclay bare said:
"Conway should not have done it, but let's not pretend it is the same as Hain.
It's like comparing a fiddled expense account to a bank robbery... oh, sorry Mr Hain.."
Sorry, but that's not good enough.
It is for people on the left to make excuses for dishonesty, and to play down the breaking of the trust we voters put in the people who frame our laws.
In a way, it is a shame that Conway will end up being the first sacrifice along the road to honest politics, but you have to start somewhere, and the sooner the better.
Those MPs who are doing a similar thing but manage to keep out of the spotlight should consider desisting immediately, and even perhaps come forward of their own volition to 'sort things out'.
Honesty. It is expected of the people by the law. The people expect it of the lawmakers. It's time to sort it out.
Cameron will be left far stronger in the eyes of the electorate if he acts decisively today.
If he doesn't... then he does not deserve to be prime minister.
It is amazing that Flashman can withdraw the party whip instantly from Patrick Mercer for stating an obvious truth about the behaviour of certain members of our society but appear to condone proven corruption on the part of Conway by leaving him in place.
Cameron needs to move now on this, whatever the facts. Otherwise he's lost it.
Get Conway suspended. Get an investigation going now, and use someone independent to do it. Give them a week.
Then publish the facts ASAP.
Then decide what to do about Conway. And be brave, even if Conway nows where the bodies are if he has to fall on his sword so be it.
BTW BBC big on the story on Today this a.m. What a load of hypocritical wankers they are.
(Just needed to get in a bit of abuse after all that common sense and reasonableness)
Sack him Mr Cameron FFS!
Cameron has to get shot of him - but at the same time he could mention how son Kinnock seems to have benefited from his fathers position in Brussels and now the British Council
Easy up on old Del C. Anyone can make an honest mistake ala Hain, Harperson and Al Jolson....
It's like the Winter Bug...it's catching
Two points Guido...
a) Can't vote because your freaky colour-scheme renders the options invisible
b) It's too late; if Dave sacks him now he won't look decisive, merely 'media-driven'
It's only noon & already he's lost the initiative. I'd like to have been a fly-on-the-wall when Dave, George & "slugger" Davis were deciding on what to do..!
If Cameron doesn't throw CONway into the Thames... It would make Dave a total CUNT.
I've just heard on Radio 3 news that Cameron *has* withdrawn the whip from Conway.
Thank goodness for that.
CONWAY has been expelled by Cameron. Great move by Cameron.
I believe it was a UKIP and now BNP candidate who broke the story.
full marks to him.
Conway gone, whip withdrawn this pm
Now he's gone! If Davey boy is smart, he'll institute a set of standards of his own that are visibly stricter than those of the House of Commons. If the Tories want to throw rocks at the Zanulab scumbags (in which task I will take part with great gusto) then they need to put themselves beyond the range of any leftie counter-attack. Now get to it boy!
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