Dave : "Nationalise Democracy"
Peter Oborne in his brilliant book The Triumph of the Political Class anatomised the ruling elite. Cameron, Osborne, Miliband and Clegg are interchangeable. Political insiders since leaving Oxbridge, all they have done since is some media wonkery with little which now differentiates them politically apart from the colour of their rosettes. They are all in favour of living off the taxpayer.Today Dave tells us he won't be able to spend money on glossy ads and billboards unless he gets his hand on the taxpayer's earnings.
Come off it Dave, try raising some money from your own supporters, don't tax an unwilling public to pay for your party's unwanted propaganda. It is bad for democracy to have state funding, it actually increases the distance between political parties and voters, it is not in any way necessary to have well funded parties to have a functioning democracy. Having to raise money from your supporters means you have to listen to them, getting the dole from the public purse makes politicians even less accountable than they are already.
Politicians don't enjoy raising money from their supporters, but that is no reason to make ordinary workers forgo their justly earned income just to save them the trouble of working hard.
53 comments:
I almost chuckle when I see Cameron feigning outrage at Brown's troubles via the LFI deceivers. As if his lot would be, or indeed have been in the past, any different at all.
Chutzpah the lot of them.
Was actually thinking of this earlier...
Everyone in the country gets £1 to give to a party.
Dont donate you dont get to vote.
See how quickly the parties react to popular opinion when they realise that a loss of support removes their funding.
Fucking impudent layabout. We need a mass movement against the whole shower of useless thieving bastards. Maybe, if they just help themselves from the Exchequer, we could withhold council tax payments, BBC tax, road tax, any other payments meekly made to the State. Or take to the streets like the Scotch did over the poll tax. I don't pay a BBC tax, won't carry an ID card, I won't pay for politicians to shit in my face. Everybody here should send this cunt Cameron an e mail telling him what we think of him. Some fucking reeeesurch totty may, in the spirit of democracy, pass them on to him. But probably not. Not unless they say, Dave you are wonderful.
The reactor core at the Pugin centre of applied cruelty, deviousness and bull shit has gone critical.
As it goes into meltdown, even the greedy foolish amongst us will see some light.
If they get a secure income, it will be used to fund pre-election loans. £10m annual income = £100m+ loan. They won't be able to repay these, so they'll be back for more dosh. I say non, no, no!
Dave, you are wonderful, but if you go along with the state funding scam with Zanu Labour and the LibDems, I'll have to reconsider and class you as a lying, thieving shitbag like the others.
Is that Kevin MacGuire sitting in the front row in front of Dave?
No No No No No...!!! using taxpayers money for financing political parties is not aceptable.
I'm a Cameron supporter and can't wait to see the back of Calamity Brown and his bunch of crooks but if the Tories insist on taxpayer funding of political parties my vote will be going to one of the up and coming smaller parties.
There's no bloody way I will tolerate my taxes going to fund the sort of scum that are prevalent in New Labour and that sentiment is shared by most of the population.
sniffer - excellent point.
If the sleazebags can't adhere to the current laws, why should we believe they'll adhere to new one's?
I think they should sell TV rights to Parliament to Setanta, and also MPs shoudl be allowed to personally endorse products. For example, Wee Wendy could say "I used to be an irritating cunt until I tried Canesten. Now I just look like one"
I dont agree with the above comments He said he would do away with the communication allowance among other things, to balance what would be available from the tax payer
Bunch of wallet rapists. Where did my effing beer money go?!?
Had a moan about this in the cartoon commentary,about 1pm and was accused of being a NuLab Astroturfer,Cameron can go a fcuk himself,if a business doesn't get customers it goes bust,if a political party can't get members then it's no use and should go bust,these fcukin politicians are no better muggers.
I dont come to same conclusions as you do from Daves speech.
At the moment we have a series of off the balance sheets public political funding.
Dave is saying a few things, from what i read:
i) the overall costs of public funding for politics must come down.
ii) The 're-elect Labour MPs in marginal seats fund', technically known as the 'communications allowance' should be scraped (and one presumes the monies used to fund political parties).
ii) That the £50,000 limit will hurt all the parties, and unless it is done across the board (ie. includes the trade unions) it would result in one party benefiting hugely over another.
anon at 3.50.
I think the term chutzpah always conveys a certain saving grace - you think the person has an outrageous cheek but secretly can't help admiring their nerve. What we have seen over the past few days would be better described as utterly brazen - it has no saving grace whatsoever.
Bill Boakes, Screaming Lord Sutch and others would have loved to have had this system.
So what criteria would Camoron use to decided which parties could use the taxpayers's funds?
All it needs now is for some clown to allow Gorgeous George, and the BNP to get their snouts in the trough.
Oddly enough just such a demand for cash dropped through my letter box this lunch time ....
Sent Dave at (our) house of commons website. It takes a couple of minutes.
Congratulations Mr Cameron. It is a tremendous achievement to have lowered the reputation of politicians below even that dismal point achieved in the past few days by the NewLabour Greedy Bastards. Well done. Can I send you some money now, or will you just help yourself in due course ? It is great to be reminded of the interchangeability of politicians. We are truly blessed with a large pool of impudent layabouts; workshy, incompetent, dishonest and in many cases degenerate and criminal, members of all parties should not have to soil their hands by raising funds from their supporters and a Cameron Tax to fund their lifestyles is long overdue. I trust that the legislation be framed in your name. It is the very least you deserve.. The Cameron Act (support of parasites) 2008. Hurrah!
Taxpayer funding of political parties is a side issue and unlikely to come into effect due to mass voter opposition.
The only real issue in town at the moment is Labour sleaze, lies, and corruption.
Thieving cunt Brown and his crew of spivs, crooks, and fifth columnists is the problem and sacking all these scummy bastards is the solution.
I'd happily see spending limits or bans altogether on political advertising. Why do we need it? If I want to engage in informed debate about politics and choose a party to vote for, all I have to fo it turn on the TV, or the radio, or buy a paper or get on t'internet. The parties already get unlimited free publicity for their ideas in these media.
As for Labour, we don't need yet more laws, we just need this shower of a government to abide by the existing ones! Like Guido and others have rightly said. And as they haven't stuck to the law, I hope and expect them to face the normal consequences.
As if they don't ALREADY get plenty of our money for party political purposes...
See HERE for instance.
anonymous at 4.09 pm.
Dave may well have been making a honest speech, based on a principled position and full of subtleties to deal with what he sees as a practical problem in a practical way.
Unfortunately, public funding for political parties, or any hint at it, is where the public at large say "NO!!!!", and they won't listen.
It's a bit like one of those emails sent by the son of the last but three Nigerian oil ministers offering millions for some temporary assistance. People read "Nigerian", "oil minister", "millions" then delete it, that is those who haven't had a spam filter dump it for them.
Cameron is in danger of shooting himself in the foot over taxpayer funding.
The public are just absorbing the message that Brown and his party are a bunch of dishonest, corrupt, donation-fiddling spivs and the Tories are riding high in the polls then Cameron comes along and tells us that we taxpayers should have money taken off us to give to this bunch of crooks.
Bad move Dave, very bad move. Start backpedalling on this quick or you are in danger of being lumped in alongside Bent Gordon and the Labour gravy-train.
Brown must be laughing his arse off this afternoon for the first time in weeks.
"Nice little democracy you've got 'ere, eh?
Pity i'fanything 'appened to it..."
Demands for more taxpayers' cash from any party will meet with the same reaction from me and no doubt many others!
Cameron - you have a golden opportunity to make big capital out of this mess, please don't take the wrong road.
Sorry, dead rulers, this is where we draw the line.
Mutiny comes closer within the cabinet. Alan Johnson is furious tonight after Gordon Brown upstaged him and grabbed the publicity during the Health Secretary's cancer initiative announcement today.
Johnson was later heard by hospital staff to complain loudly: "That selfish bastard grabs the glory and leaves the shit for the rest of us. I've fucking had enough".
"Politicians don't enjoy raising money from their supporters"
Quite so - such money raising exercises usually involve encounters, and there is nothing worse than meet Joe Public. Tuscan Tony has spent a career avoiding doing so, and life has been enriched by their absence.
I have very modest resources but I have already decided that if these grasping, greedy, arrogant c**ts carry on this way I will use £5000 out of my retirement savings to stand as an Independent on a manifesto with two promises
A) No tax payer funding
B) Cut existing salaries, expenses allowances, communications allowances, wife (she's really my secretary)allowances,second home allowances and pension fund contributions (plus any other fiddles I haven't found out about yet) by 50%. To be seen to be reasonable and kind, I might phase it over4 years - on the other hand I might not.
I'm not canvassing for the creation of a new political party but if 200/300 Independents were listed on ballot papers throughout England (sod Scotland - they're all so firmly glued to the State's tit that nothing short of a thermonuclear device will detach them from it)it might have an effect.
It would certainly make me feel better, if poorer.
Next years house price crash will destroy Brown and his lousy government:
UK housing bubble 'about to burst'
03/12/2007 - 10:31:28
UK housing bubble 'about to
burst' The Liberal Democrats today warned of a possible "crash" in house prices, with millions in negative equity or struggling to repay their debts.
Acting leader Vince Cable told a Westminster briefing: "Gordon Brown's reputation is built on economic growth but there are ominous signs that the bubble is now about to burst.
"Brown's economic miracle has been over-dependent on consumer spending generated by mounting household debt, much of it secured against a grossly inflated bubble in the housing market.
"With the credit crunch now biting and the economy slowing we could see millions struggling to pay their debts leading them into mortgage arrears, repossession and negative equity."
http://www.24dash.com/news/1/29763/index.htm
Camoron, Brown etc, obviously have so little public support that they now need to rob the public further rather than rely on members donations.
it will also be rigged to keep out the little parties SNP/BNP who are the only ones to keep the mainstreme crooks on their toes.
we have already lost most of our democratic voice to the EUSSR and now we will lose even more to these greedy westminister crooks.
and just like their own pay rises they will be sure to vote it in anyway.
democracy is dead!
want out of this nightmare? vote for the smaller parties and crush these crooks.
They can fuck off with the taxpayer funding Id call it theft with menace.so how about no donations cos people want payback so when you vote there is a bucket by the ballot box and at the end its shared out by vote to the party involved.This would ensure nulab cant waste my cash and the penalties for fraud should be massive(give the bastards a copy of the rules to sign and return so no mistakes there) see easy.
No "state" funding of political parties.
No lunatic ID card nonsense.
No mad medical database.
No EU constitution.
No Jock McScotch MP votes on English issues.
No more insane illiberal "security" laws.
No more time for Wendy - fetch rope, find tree.
No to the Milliband Midwich Cuckoo Mutees.
No to the BBC - it has run its course and is a laughing stock.
And, no more being unkind to Prudence. She is a walking-talking-living satire and will be the end of the Labour Party.
Oh, and isn't Cameron just dragging out the whole sleaze matter. If I were him I would keep schtoom but I suppose he knows his business. Let us hope so.
ppusher
David Miliband is said to be more than a bit pissed off aswell after he was sidelined by Brown in favour of those two muslim publicity seeking spivs who went to Sudan to do Miliband's job for him.
Poor little David is said to be feeling "totally humiliated".
aaahhhhhh!!!
Cameron should be pointing out that Brown's plan for new laws is irrelevant if Labour are going to break them. We had new laws in 2000, and Labour just broke them. Why waste time on more laws?
The final nail has just gone into the coffin of democracy!
vote the bastards out, now!
the only public money these bastards should recieve is the dole.
vote anyone but these mainstreme bastards in power.
instead vote UKIP/BNP/green/plaid/SNP
just unseat as many mainstreme polititians as possible at every opportunity.
remove their money grabbing thieving gravy train jobs from them.
Bankers Morgan Stanislav today took a gloomy view of the economy.
"House price is shit, bank is shit, shops is shit. Like Poland in mediaeval time. Stinks. Dollar fucked, Euro fucked, quid fucked."
However there is a silver lining:
"Zloty new world currency. Is nice."
`Dave` -
"us in power, keep their power and fuck the tax payer and democracy!
fuck you all, we are controlled by the EU you fools and we want the gravy train to continue faster than ever.
you cunts will vote for us regardless - you are creatures of habit - BAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA"
Financial Report
Bank Morgan Stanislav forgot to note that against all major currencies the Zim dollar actually rose too.
If the leader of a political party has officials in that party criminally breaking the law, then the only issue that the public wants addressed now, is that those officials including the leader - whoever - face the consequences which are enshrined in that legislation.
Absolutely the last thing voters want to hear are gravy-train proposals over party funding. Cameron has misjudged - like grammar schools - public opinion.
The lack of voter participation already undermines the mandate to not only govern but to serve in parliament. Unless the voters believe that those up for election mean what they say and what they say makes sense, then the political system will continue to fail to serve public interest.
Is Cameron the sort of politician that can look you straight in the eye, say what he believes and persuade you that he means it and that he's right? Sadly, I don't think so.
Part of the reason that Maggie got so much media stick was that she always ploughed on ignoring the pundits and media-hyped opposition. The lady was not for turning. Her biggest crime though in the sophisticos ears was to actually say what she believed.
Now we have the superficial shimmering of media dandy-ism wearing red, blue and yellow rosettes.
Oh dear.
lets be plain
Cameron is a fucking joke
Brown is a fucking joke
The EU is a fucking joke
and the electorate for not standing up to it - is a fucking joke!
Plain enough for you sheep?
baaaa baaaa baaaa
It's obviously all a plot to get state funding, one the Tories seem to be part of.
Although I'd love to see Nu Comm flushed down the toilet nothing will happen to them.
Cameron should be fucking ashamed.
I have written to Cameron, but will he take any notice? Time to overload his email?
camerond@parliament.uk
Let Camoron sink with the Brown ship!
about time I say, we dont need 3 liberal left parties.
It seems to me the only people making an argument for state funding are the people who stand to benefit - politicians!
I'd greatly resent any of the tax I pay going to fund hideous and malicious billboards, activists dressing up as Star Trek characters or whatever their next harebrained plan may be.
A Swansea Blog
KS Rees
whilst the red despot spotter ,has little time for the nu labour bunch of crooks , state funding of political parties is deeply flawed , MPs earn a good wage and are bear enough paid for evrything else they do when awake via expenses. state funding will not stop illegal donations , propetry developement nods and the like .
donations to parties is best that way if there polices are rubbish they dont get resourced.
also i would like to see a return of the constituancey debate, which as daunting as it may seem to the not so good at it , would at least either work in infroming the public or the member of parliment , the sooner they get to live in the real world the better.
I am not entirely opposed to some state support of political activity.
However, it must be directly linked to membership and activities at local level.
It must not be yet another trough for the bloated political classes to dip into.
Most of the current crop do not believe in participative democracy. They have been politicians all their lives, beliveving only in themselves and their own self-importance, from student union days to parliament.
If state funds are used to prop up this self-perpetuating political class, we will never see the back of them. We will be governed for the forseeable future by a self-selecting class of career egoists ruling through media manupulation and patronage. And it will take a revolution to unseat them.
I am not against state funding, but the rotten heart needs to be ripped out of this corrupt political machine and returned to mass membership. Get rid of lobbyists, policy advisors, spin doctors and the rest - these are the creatures of patronage who will screw the taxpayer for all they can.
Most of the concerns held by most of the population can be easily identified and summarised - house prices, street crime, uncontrolled legal and illegal immigration, troops in Iraq, poor healthcare, poor schooling. It does not take focus groups or policy analysts to work this out - these are the sorts of geniuses that come up with ID cards and Millennium Domes. If mass membership offered the opportunity to actually shape policy rather than have it decided for them and spun to them, then people would join and support parties.
Also, if membership was the only way to secure funding (with some sort of matched state funding) then politicians would manage to find a way to encourage this - they would have to!
The excuse that Brown has thrown out in preparation for state funding is that since they can't be trusted to comply with the law the law needs to be changed so that they can!
Pitchfork and torches time.
You are somewhat unfair on Clegg, who has on his c.v. involvement in reconstruction of the east European accession states.
Oh really, did he have a job as a brickie?
For 45 years i really wasn’t sure for the last 19 I have been.
There really is no difference between politicians.
Dave C will be just as bad as G Brown.
Learn the lessons from history, why give them the right to live off your enterprise.
Next election turn out and spoil your paper, write on it in bold letters exactly what you think of them.
You have nothing to lose for any vote in the current system is a vote for self-exploitation.
Get your own back and get even too!
1. Encourage private donations from those who want to fund the political process.
2. Put all donations into one big pot.
3. Distribute evenly amongst all parliamentary candidates.
Fair, simple, and non-fattening.
Post a Comment