No2ID to Advocate No2Labour Tactical Voting
Word reaches Guido that at a meeting scheduled for next Tuesday the leaders of the NO2ID campaign are likely to decide on an election strategy advocating tactical voting to oust MPs who support ID cards at the election.In Islington South the Tories came a distant third, but the LibDem was less than 400 votes behind left-wing Labour MP Emily Thornberry. Tories should vote for the LibDem and enjoy getting rid of the ID card loving, CND supporting MP.
In Tooting the LibDems were nearly 10,000 votes behind Labour Sadiq Khan, if they switched votes to the second-placed Tory candidate they would be getting rid of an authoritarian Labour MP who voted strongly for introducing national ID cards, strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws and very strongly against investigating the Iraq war.
Of course fear of tactical voting could result in Gordon Brown dropping ID cards altogether before the election - which would be huge a victory for the NO2ID campaign...
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I can confirm that Emily Thornberry (Islington South) is an enthusiastic supporter of ID cards - she has written to me personally to defend her stance. It is certainly helping me clarify my thinking about who I vote for at the next election.
ID cards vs. the most right-wing tax cutting agenda of any Tory for a long time... Lib Dems might wish to think about this a little longer (and I'm against ID cards)
What would you rather have in your pocket? £500 or an ID card? Let the people decide.
Any tactical voting to throw the bastards out is good in my view. ID cards or no ID cards.
If you live in a Lab/Tory marginal LibDem voters should vote Tory
If you live in a LibDem/Lab marginal Tory voters should vote LibDem
Bring it on...
bhownaggree said
ID cards vs. the most right-wing tax cutting agenda of any Tory for a long time...
So, a 0.5% shift in the basis of taxation (if you believe the Tories) or a 0.2% shift in total tax take (if you believe Labour) is a right-wing tax cutting agenda? What planet are you living on?
The same should be allowed to apply north of the border too. Where the SNP are in 2nd, tactical voting by Lib Dems and Tories to SNP would strike utter fear into Labour.
Labour has a right-wing authoritarian agenda, "British jobs for British workers", detention without trial etc.
The Tories are far more liberal than New Labour. Guido is right - ID cards are a unifying issue for the Tories and LibDems.
It's all going pear shaped. I knew Brown was an cluelless authoritarian with Stalinist tendencies. I told them all but would they listen? Now we've handicapped ourselves with a swing voter repelling clunker with all the charm and appeal of a wet weekend in Weston Super Mare.
Talking of civil liberties, is anyone running a book on when Gorgons next face saving 'terrorist atrocity' will take place?
I think Gordon and his chippy acolytes spent far too long in the darkness , like Gollum dreaming of his precious, when the Brownites their ambition there were no great new ideas or purpose to sustain them . It's tragic. I could cry, really. It all comes to this.
I think Labour would be very well advised to drop ID cards before the election.
This is the reason I am contemplating voting Conservative for the first time in my life.
I cannot believe I am alone in this.
Tactical voting has been used against the Tories to devastating effect in the past - it's time to give Labour a taste of their own medicine!
But if you get a tory into tooting - you have to suffer Mark Clarke being your mp.
Anything must be better than having to suffer that.
Nice one Guido, keep banging the drum. We need to fight hard to keep the freedoms will still have.
We are not subservient to the State and both the Tories and LibDems tend to realise this. Only Labour views the State as more important than the individual.
Well, this will no doubt move many hundreds of thousands of votes across the UK - and then i woke up......
Hey Scum actually I think you will find that many many people feel sick at the idea of having a compulsory ID card.
Papier bitte!
I've been so wrong. I've been an idiot. What can I say?
My beloved Labour party really are a more corrupt and morally bankrupt crew of liars that Stalin's Politburo.
Now we have Gordon Brown as leader. At first I thought he was a political colossus, but now I realise he's a bigger liar than Blair and has presided over a melting economy hidden behind politically manufactured statistics.
Now he's completely f*cked up. He's going to call an election and judging by the public mood, QT and TW last night and NN every night, the media are baying for blood. The public is ready to kick the s*it out of us.
HIGNFY is starting up a week on Friday. Lord knows what they will say about Brown. It won't be pretty.
I'm sorry for being such a twat.
Bring it on!!! I simply won't have a license to live (aka government issued mandatory id card). I know I am not alone. There will be plenty of people who will disobey this law on a massive scale.
So if the Chuckle Brothers were the only candidates to stand agaisnt ID cards in your area, would you vote for them?!
Single issue politics? Rarely sensible!
I'd vote for the Chuckle Brothers any day over the manipulative, cynical and craven excuse for an MP I have here in Rotherham.
denis 2.07
fair enough!
To careful what you wish for at 2:03PM -
'Single issue politics? Rarely sensible!' -
It's very sensible in this case, in fact I cannot think of a more important issue, than getting rid of thieving self-serving pocket lining corrupt NuLabor scum.
Bring it on Gorgon.
BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR
I think Ruth had better tighten her little implement of torture around her thigh some more before she praises the Broon.
andrew h said...
I think Labour would be very well advised to drop ID cards before the election.
This is the reason I am contemplating voting Conservative for the first time in my life.
I cannot believe I am alone in this.
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And I say, no, you aren't. Although I was once in a solid Labour constituency, Iam now in a solid Lib Dem one, with an excellent MP, so I will be voting for him. But no way would I vote Labour again, anyway, after Iraq.
Ruth, your parents obviously weren't !
Has that useless, cowardly twat Brown decided whether or not to call an election yet or is he still poring over every poll that comes out? He'll be going to have his tea leaves read by Gypsy Rose Lee next, the neurotic prick. The incompetent turd can't make a firm decision to save his life.
It's unbelievable that this useless oaf and his band of stooges kicked out Tony Blair so that we end up with this Brown-led farce.
I have no doubt he'll bottle out of a 2007 election. He lost it after that pathetic spin over non-existant "troop withdrawals" which revealed to the public what an unscrupulous lying prick he really is, and totally incompetent with it.
We need a change of leader before the next GE which is likely to be delayed until 09 or even 2010. The debt-ridden economy will be up shit creek by then and Gonzo Brown will get the lion's share of the blame for that.
Forget Miliband, he comes acoss as a 13 year old geek. Most of the rest of the top brass are just Brown stooges ie: talentless arse-lickers.
My money's on Jack Sraw. Quiet, capable, experienced and widely respected.
John Denham is another strong contender.
I'm warning you.
BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR
Is Gordon Brown Britain's Ceaucescu?
To ruth kelly at 2.32 PM -
'BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR' -
Oooh, I'm really frightened! Nothing could possibly be as bad a the last ten years, watching Brittania being raped by Gorgon and Co. Not even a night with you and the old 'cilice' torture implement. Actually, that could be classed as a pleasure, the long hair suits you...
This is your Final Warning.
BE
VERY
CAREFUL
WHAT
YOU
WISH
FOR
"a huge victory"
Surely, just "victory". What else do they do?
Miliband looks like Mr. Potato head
Milliband is the love child of thunderbirds ‘Brains and Lady P………….or possibly her chauffer.
To ruth kelly at 2:53PM -
Is that you Gordon? Is Darling letting you use the Fisher Price 'My First Economy' laptop to post on the internet? Ed Balls helping you use the keyboard?
Or are you just another NuLab troll?
Game's over mate.
Did Brown really oust Blair ? Guess I missed the details.
Never forget Brown's new mantra,
Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better.
Nice to see No2ID using their nous,
either way they win.
Extend the same to EU referendum, and more prison places to bang up ne'erdowells and Gordo's toast.
David and Ed Miliband are actually the reincarnation of that dismal 60's duo: Mike and Bernie Winters...
http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/images_tv/mike&bernie.jpg
Yak40 said...
Never forget Brown's new mantra,
Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better.
Except when the four legs are on a rocking horse
I might be naive but I can kind of see Gordo quietly dropping ID cards at some point in an attempt to maintain some semblance of popularity. Or maybe that's just an oxymoron.
four legs are on a rocking horse
eeeeeeuuuuuwwwwww
"So if the Chuckle Brothers were the only candidates to stand agaisnt ID cards in your area, would you vote for them?!
Single issue politics? Rarely sensible!"
I used to have business dealings with the Chuckle Brothers as it happens. They were perfectly nice guys who always settled their bills in time. Compared to some customers they were a real pleasure to deal with, and I'm sure they'd make better MP's than some of the brainless numpties who do get elected.
It's the only reason I voted Lib Dem last time - and it helped oust the pro-ID card Jon Owen Jones.
The genuinely pro-Aussweiss party in parliament isn't all that big really. Fat, but not numerous.
The disgusting ID groupie Martin Linton on Battersea is sitting on one of the smallest majorities.
Nicky Palmer ... oh sorry Dr Nicholas Palmer MP PhD ... is so hot for the surveillance state he was advocating the Identity Cards Bill while admitting to constituents he hadn't read it. He's got less than 2,500 margin of safety.
Is there a chance of unseating the arch-authoritarian thug Martin Salter in Reading West? I have some champagne on ice for that.
anon 6.36
That's why Nick Palmer is currently pleading with Brown not to call an election even though in public he's putting on the bravado.
We shall discover on Tuesday whether this rumour about No2ID is true. If it is, it will come to be seen as one of the most charitable acts ever performed, for society in general and for socialists in particular.
Can you imagine what it must be like being a socialist voter and having to put your cross against the Blair/Brown Labour Party? Can you imagine what it must be like being a socialist MP and having to go through the government lobby?
Hell on earth.
With the downfall of Brown or at least the severe clipping of his wings, these poor people will be able to breathe again and hold their head high.
Anon @ 6.36 - I'll be joining you in a glass or three of Bollinger if that wanker Salter falls, ditto with Broxtowe re Palmer.
Here in Bradford borough we have two that could fall - the clueless Rooney in Bfd East to the LibDems and the racist Cryer in Keighley to the Tories. Time for some vote-swapping, and hopefully I'll be getting some local LDs and Tories on board here re common ground. The Asian votes will be crucial if this is spun as sus laws mark II.
Watch though for any Tories that support it. Widdecombe we know about, but CCHQ golden boy Nick Boles is in the running for Quentin Davies' redrawn old seat of Grantham & Stamford. No idea when Grantham Tories select - but if any are reading be sure to choose Brokenshire (whose seat in Essex disappears at the GE and is firmly anti-ID)
~VdL
Blogs like this one - large readerships, of people who do take an interest in politics - could be crucial in any future election...
The petrol protests were pretty much web based and they were long before the start of the social web proper.
Word of mouth could be more important than the headline of the Sun next time!
So, if you see Sid, let him know.
The only problem i have is voting limp dumb cos they will crow about it being a vindication of their policys instead of a tactical protest vote.
You have to laugh at the idiots that vote at all, they vote for this party, then that in the vain hope the said politician will give a toss for them or their needs after they have elected him/her/thing.
Well done voters, your vote has done this for you so far
ID Cards?
Few NHS Dentists?
Iraq?
Smith Institute?
MP Expenses Fiddles?
Cash For Honours?
EU referendum?
Post Offices?
Pensions and NH issues?
Stealth Taxes?
Reduced Policing via Speed cameras?
Airport Chaos?
MP pay and pensions increases way above inflation
and you still want to vote for these incompetents.
Anonymous says: "You have to laugh at the idiots that vote at all, they vote for this party, then that in the vain hope the said politician will give a toss for them or their needs after they have elected him/her/thing."
You're right. There's more to it. The ID cards initiative is an instance of a bigger problem -- the thread connecting politicians with people is thin, fraying and stretched nearly to the point of snapping.
Our politicians and civil service demonstrably have little idea what is going on. Little idea what they are doing. And people will finally get angry at the ludicrous amount of money being wasted as a result.
So they should stop doing things. Stop, that is, at the centre, at a national level, and return the power they have stolen to local politics. Where there is a better chance of understanding what is needed and wanted and of delivering it.
30 years ago, local politics belonged in most people's minds to the Liberal Party and cracked pavements. It was naive, vegetarian and laughable. Now it has gathered credibility. As our last hope. Simon Jenkins and Ferdinand Mount are its champions. That is where the fight is. To restore a personal identity to local communities and a greater element of self-determination.
People must agitate to influence policy in the direction of localism. And the, pace Anonymous, we must vote for the MP who sounds most as though he or she understands.
If that fight is lost, then neighbourhoods will be profiled and treated to standardised processes from a disconnected centre in Whitehall or Brussels.
Ruth Kelly,
Are you a witch?
Burn her anyway!
antifrank - agree that uber-authoritarian Emily Thornberry has to be one of the first in the firing line.
Her LibDem opponent Bridget Fox seems sound on the issue: http://www.bridgetfox.org.uk/news/bf/19803
so merits a tactical vote (put Polly Toynbee's 'clothes pegs' to good use)
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