GuyNews TV : Cheney Argues Against Occupying Iraq (1994)
This fascinating clip doing the rounds is from Cheney's time back at the AEI think tank. Dick lucidly and cogently explains why Bush senior did not go to Baghdad in the first Gulf War. So what changed ex-Halliburton CEO, Dick Cheney's mind?
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You're such a tin foil hat wearing moonbat leftist Guido. If you hate our freedoms so much, why don't you go live in North Korea.
(NB: actually, you haven't mentioned your support for "da liberation" much lately have you?)
Still think it was a good idea to overthrow Saddam. Once done we should have brought the troops home and had a victory parade.
As it stands we just provide target practise for the various soon to be warring factions.
Fascinating to hear his 1994 thoughts.
Rule No. 1 - whatever you say, remember it'll be there reminding you on youtube for ever.
Yes have seen the clip on CNN Daily Show with John Stewart shown on More4 weekdays 8:30pm
On the War - BBC2 Are showing the highly acclaimed play "Blackwatch" - hit of last year's Edinburgh Festival on BBC Monday night at 10PM - certainly in Scotland
with the wider TV audience it will become another nail in Labour Scottish coffin esp as it was Brown who financed the illegal war of terrorist aggression
Guido - you can pay for the victory parade mate - I'm a taxpayer.
We lost the war 9 April 2003 but where do I start ?
There was ineffectual post-war planning; insufficient allocation of troops to provide an "occupying authority" ot to seal the Syrian/Iranian borders against infiltration by Al-Quaeda ; failure to build on the initial welcome by Iraqis; mass disbandment of the Iraqi Army therby putting thousands of well armed disgruntled trained men on the streets and providing a fertile recruiting ground for the insurgents;disbanding B'athist Partystructure without putting anything immediately in place(even after WW2 we temporarily used low ranking nazi party members to carry on governance under the allies supervision whilst we gradually weeded out the worst perpetrators); the naivety of the neo-cons especially Rumsfield; the spineless co-operation of our then PM; the messanic vision of a failed President; the false premise for the "causus belli'"; the greed for the oil resources of the country.
I could go on but I won't. It's too depressing
We all know why they are there...
Strategic Positioning for Oil
Its the same reason the Chinese are in bed with the Khazaks and the Germans with the Russians.
there arent any modern politicians that you could trust an inch,They all lie as a first response never admit they fucked up and plough on regardless however stupid the idea.The amount of different reasons given for iraq/afganistan is truly astounding its probably the only thing they planned with any care,how to shift the blame.
Yeah Guido, getting rid of Saddam has really benefitted a lot of people.
Funny how a tyrannical dictator who actually has committed a terrorist atrocity against Britain like Gadaffi just gets his arse kissed by our leaders while Saddam gets the noose.
Still, if liberal interventionism is your thing how about removing Bush by force, now people really would appreciate that.
"hate our freedoms"
Well the Iraqis seem to hate their new freedoms and are actually doing something about it.
"good idea to overthrow Saddam"
Really? Bet we'll have another Sunni strongman in his place before too long. Containment of Iran is beginning to take priority over democracy in Iraq. Then we'll be back to the status quo.
A victory parade 3 years ago would have worked out much cheaper for the taxpayers than the ongoing mess. No need for Guido to pay for anythhing...
ps Has Bliar been to pick up his medal yet?
Well done Guido an excellent exhibit. Cheney was right then and NOTHING has changed.
We are leaving with our tail between our legs, the yanks will go next year and Iraq will either fall apart or another Sunni strongman will be installed, financed by the Saudis.
The Kurds can look forward to a bloodbath either from the Turks or the Sunnis.
Bush should have spent all the money discovering alternative energy sources to loosen our dependence on Middle East and Russian gas and oil.
What a failure of leadership!
Travis - or here's an idea. You FUCKING CUNTS who supported the FUCKING MESS could just go and FUCKING HANG YOURSELVES. I'd be delighted to see every Tory and Labour MP swinging from lamposts - since Guido's so keen on this FUCK UP, he can fucking top himself too. Make the word a brighter place and bring those fucking kids back home.
So over the next few years things may or may not happen which will help to put our current position into historical perspective.
Which may or may not show that we are currently writing the premature death certificates for thousands of innocent life loving people.
Iraq may or may not go up in smoke
There may or may not be another 9/11 type attack on the USA or Britain.
There may or may not be a Iranian Nuke.
Islam may or may not have been 'just joking.'
You may or may not get your leg over tonight.
The list is endless.
One things for almost sure. I don't think any one believes this is the END of anything.
But lets hope it is anyway, because there is bugger all we can do about future events as far as this matter is concerned, whatever they turn out to be.
Perhaps the best advice you can give is "don't join the army anytime soon."
If any of you half wits think that this is going to change American policy you could be right but maybe not in a way you might like.
They might next time do the same and not bother to stay. Or bomb large amounts to bits. Or just Nuke large amounts to kingdom come. One thing they will not be doing is nothing if they are attacked again.
What is the point of having the biggest and strongest armed forces on the entire planet, in order to protect your country, its interests and its people if you don't use it?
The real message to the world of the IRAQ consequence should be.
The western world may be made up of democracies and many of its people may be spineless lazy half wits but our governments CAN do as they please, when it comes to any type of MODERN WARS.
The essential thing about a modern war is that the amount of young people required to fight and die in one is tiny in comparison to the past. So it really does not matter what we think.
It does not now matter whether a Democrat a Republican a socialist or a Tory is in power WAR is POWER and POWER is CONTROL etc, and there is lot and I do mean one hell of a lot of cash at stake.
"SO DON'T MESS WITH US or the U.S. unless you want to come off far worse then when you started."
Lets face it what other type of victory was ever really on the cards?
Cheney knew this from the start, that fact is self evident..
> So what changed ex-Halliburton CEO, Dick Cheney's mind?
3 Aeroplanes and 2976 murdered?
What changed Cheney's mind? 3 planes and thousands murdered provided the perfect smokescreen to go for the oil.
The Americans should have stuck to Afghanistan, bombed the hell out of the taleban and al quaeda and sent their troops in there to ensure that those Wahabi cunts could never get it up again.
If they'd completed that job then we wouldn't be losing our soldiers now doing the job which 3 planes and thousands murdered justified.
The conditions in Iraq never changed.
Yes, turnabout is a familiar maneuver to the Republican cabal. Here's a list of reasons not to invade Iraq, by a fellow named George Herbert Walker Bush.
guido faux said...
"hate our freedoms"
Well the Iraqis seem to hate their new freedoms and are actually doing something about it.
Actually they apparently do value the freedom that the Americans and the British restored to them. Of course reporting that >7m Iraqis are struggling to go about their daily lives while the psychotic Al Queda and various Sunni/Shia factions try to prevent them is not a story that the press, liberal or otherwise, wants to report.
Amazing that the story about the fighting between Sunni locals and Al Queda terrorists in Baquba went almost completely unreported in the UK and the USA. I would have thought that news of several villages that had had enough of Al Queda and decided to fight back against their abducting 15 women and children from the villages would have been something that Bush and Broon would have rejoiced over.
antiCitizenOne said...
> So what changed ex-Halliburton CEO, Dick Cheney's mind?
3 Aeroplanes and 2976 murdered?
So to avenge an attack financed and carried out by Saudis you trash 2 countries and kill tens of thousands of innocent people,neither country being Saudi Arabia and any Saudis being killed purely by accident,the U.S military have killed more British servicemen than they have those behind 9/11,those who didn't kill themselves obviously.
What exactly did Saddam have to do with 9/11...apart from fuck-all?
I'm sure with all the facilities and technology available to the C.I.A. e.t.c. and co-operation from "supposed" allies in Saudi a proper criminal investigation would have resulted in those responsible being dealt with without bringing back concentration camps,the mass murder of the innocent and revealing what a farce so-called international law is.
Apart from the existing Iraqi oil, there is also the Western desert which is so far unexplored and is thought to contain more oil than Saudi produces.....
But do not ever forget that Saddam attempted murder Dubya's dad and wife in the Kuwait Victory Parade after Desert Storm. Dubya is not the kind of guy to take that lying down.....Shock and Awe was personal...
Having settled his score with Saddam on a personal level, Dubya now needs Al Malaki to deliver the Oil Law which is the ultimate strategic 'prize'. That's why Al Malaki may be out of a job shortly, as he can't deliver the PSA's for USA Big Oil....
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