Guido was sure his brain was too addled by alcohol when he saw the front page of the
Guardian this morning. Rich Johnston emailed it in and the penny didn't drop until he explained it slowly. According to the
Guardian's ICM poll sample of 1005 randomly telephoned adults, not one single person likes David Cameron and the Conservative Party. Some like the party, some like Dave, but none like both.
Guido knew the polls were bad for Dave, but really, does no one like 'em both?
UPDATE : Turns out that it was a difficult to explain
Grauniad cock-up, the actual figures from ICM were very different - 25% liked both Dave and the Tories. Pretty
"cavalier with the facts" report, it should have been obvious that something was wrong, maybe over at the
Guardian they can more easily believe that nobody likes Cameron.
In the real world he is a bit more popular than on Farringdon road.
Guido was sure his brain was too addled by alcohol when he saw the front page of the Guardian this morning. Rich Johnston emailed it in and the penny didn't drop until he explained it slowly. According to the Guardian's ICM poll sample of 1005 randomly telephoned adults, not one single person likes David Cameron and the Conservative Party. Some like the party, some like Dave, but none like both. Guido knew the polls were bad for Dave, but really, does no one like 'em both?
UPDATE : Turns out that it was a difficult to explain Grauniad cock-up, the actual figures from ICM were very different - 25% liked both Dave and the Tories. Pretty "cavalier with the facts" report, it should have been obvious that something was wrong, maybe over at the Guardian they can more easily believe that nobody likes Cameron. In the real world he is a bit more popular than on Farringdon road.
53 comments:
Oh dear, that's DC in the 5h1t, and more rumblings at CCHQ.
Hey guid's i hear on the money fountain rumour circuit that gordo has pledges of £20m+, now, and november is being kept diary free!!
Surely this is an error?
I am very confused with you Guido.
Surely the Conservative Party and Dave Cameron are two different things and are not mutually inclusive. In this respect the Guardians sample is right.
Or to put it another way, Dave is not a Conservative.
I suspect the 31% "don't know" are the 31% that like both Dave and the Tories. Leaving them in a better position than Labour, who have that 25% who dont like either Dave or the Tories.
But then again, they say that 90% of all statistics are BS...
Telephone polls are usually the least accurate ones. The Gruaniad polls invairably give NuLab the benefit - remember the episdode of Yes Minster when how to manipulate questions for opionion polls is explained to Jim Hacker?
'Dave's' appears to really hankers for a gap year helping out the poor and needy in equatorial Africa. Did you see that William Hills have opened a book on possible replacements for 'Dave'.
I do know one person who likes both Cameron and the Tory party, but only the one. All the Tories I know hate Cameron and everyone else hates both.
ha, ha, maybe they class that as a don't know as in don't know (why); the guardian are the mouthpiece of the Brown caliphate, ignore.
I am sure Gordon likes having Dave as Tory leader ensuring that Labour have a very good chance of winning the next election. Perhaps Dave is trying for the Rwanda votes.
Help.
Thousands of us are drowning in shite round here and beginning to puke our guts up but not one cunt from the government, the council, the police, or any other "public servant" has been seen for days.
That cunt Brown is a lying prick.
What's next for the people of Glos, Worcs, and Oxfordshire? Cholera....typhoid?
Another carefully contrived anti-Conservative, anti-Cameron poll by a bullshit left-wing paper. The MSM are out to get Cameron and are making sure they create their own bad headlines to try and undermine him.
Are you sure the 25% figure didn't read 42%?
An ICM poll of 1005 Conservatives? Very easy for ICM to telephone anyone living in Sedgefield, say, as a way of guaranteeing their poll results I suspect. As it happens I'm in the 26% bracket myself - I think there's something about Davey that makes me want to count fingers and thumbs after shaking his hand, just to make sure they'll all still there.
As the late Dennis Thatcher was oft heard to say about people such as him, "Full of fuck all".
don't know
Please check your figures when sober.
You must be truly trashed.
Look it's quite simple really.
Anyone supporting CMD ain't a Tory.
Anyone who is a Tory ain't supporting CMD.
The areas where the flooding occurred are mainly the Tory-voting shires (hence the civilised and patient response of those affected).
So naturally they'll get no help or support from anyone, particularly from the one politician who hates the rural Tories with visceral loathing.
David Cameron.
Brown seems quite un-partisan and helpful so far. May be just his game, but at least he's playing it.
The ones who like Dave are Proms fans confusing him with Sir Archie Cameron, the popular veteran Proms conductor of the 1950s and 1960s.
Those who like the Party are confusing it with the Conservative Party.
The ones who like both were probably when asked even more under the influence than Guido.
Fantastic, what a b*llocks poll!
ICM Guardian. Salt, pinch of, required.
Their '6% Gordon lead' polls for some reason put 'others' on 9% or so, a week after BNP alone won 9% at Sedgefield. Other polling organisations have 'others' consistently at 15%. the first ICM Guardian 'poll' was in fact a survey from which they deduced 7% support for Labour without actually asking which party the interviewees would vote for.
Funny how today, the blog world is waking up to the other side of the coin. see www.politicalbetting.com rethinking sedgefield now.
Why does it take a week before people wake up to the fact that media narratives are mostly dubious? We can't all be pissed.
Why don't they just rename themselves the Gordian ? What a simpering travesty of a newspaper.
Mistake?
The numbers in the story are these, as a percentage of Conservative voters:
Like Cameron + like party: 52%
Like Cameron + dislike party: 3%
Dislike Cameron + like party: 42%
Story here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpolitics/story/0,,2133972,00.html
Damned impertinent journalist. Can't Darrie have him beaten up?
The bias of the BBC is in not what they say but what they leave out.
If "right-wing" IDS had been in America visiting "self-help" projects whilst Tory seats flooded wouldn't the BBC/Sky be leading with it?
As it happens we're lumbered with the MSM's "pet" Tory leader visiting a "pet" project in Africa. Are the MSM screaming for his blood? Are they B@@@@@ks.
The ordinary man on the street don't want a leader of the right jumping rainbows. They want a leader calling for action about illegal shed building projects for human habitation in the back gardens of houses in Slough.
If Chamberlain waits 10 years he'll be able to visit huge 3rd world projects IN ENGLAND.
He needs to go but the MSM won't put any pressure on him so we're lumbered and England is lost.
We need PR, we need another Dowding, we need our own Pym Fontein, we DO NOT need a f@@@ing Imitation Tone.
When it comes to the crunch, no one, I repeat NO ONE is going to vote for Drippy( the RT HON. Member for Rwanda Central)Dave.
Do an IDS quick!
THEY NEVER ASKED WHO LIKED BOTH!!!
Sorry for pointing out the obvious (is this stupid day on the blogs!!!)
No one was asked if they liked both, hence no one could answer a question that was never asked. This is a BOGUS STORY. How can you let this fake story get past you Guido. We expect more!
And what more do you expect from the Guardian? Only fit for use as toilet paper really.
DODGY POLL. Typical Guardian rubish!
Hate to say it, but go to ConHome for the facts. It seems 52% of Tories like Cameron and the party.
Not bad figures when you consider the Mail and the Telegraph have been slagging off the fragrant one.
Whatever they say, Cameron is very secure. He's very popular in my local party in Hampshire.
and 90% hated all politicians
Of course it's a mistake. It's the Grauniad's mistake. Looking forward to Corrections And Clarifications...
the man is a vacuous cunt.
For a better poll try: "can you a name a single Conservative policy".
I can't!
Guido,
Have you seen the Courtney Coventry blog.
She states:
I am the ONLY person who has actually come forward and said that Lord Levy did offer honours in exchange for cash and that Blair was aware of this. Perhaps I shouldn't wonder what went on. I knew when I came forward that very powerful people would not like what I had to say.
http://www.courtneycoventry.com/london
.. i think your headline should've read "nobody likes dave OR tory party", that would make much more sense...
Can you be mayor of London and head of the Tory party at the same time? No reason I'm asking...
I'm afraid Dave is now paying the price for his hubris at Ealing and his cack-handed and irrelevant trip to Rwanda whilst a large part of Central England, including his constituency was under water. On this showing he's not Prime Minister material and I haven't even touched on the Conservative Party and their stupidity in publicising that some MPs have written to the 1922 Committe requesting a vote of no confidence. What a complete and utter useless shower !
why are you listening to a comic book geek weirdo like Rich Johnston?
he once appeared on Channel 4 bemoaning the fact the channel was moving around the schedules some teenage sci-fi show.
I don't like any of the political parties or any of their leaders and I suspect my views are shared by 99% of the (largely uninterested) electorate.
For the small number of people who are actually interested in politics (rather than footie or Eastenders) the position is slightly different. Conservatives regard their party as too left wing and Lefties regard their parties as too right wing.
Perhaps pollsters should ask, "Which political party/leader [etc.] do you regard as the lesser evil?"
Now that the hated Bliar is gone, everybody hates the "heir to Bliar". Stupid own goal really.
So called Governing Politicos I don’t like any of them, bunch of useless cunt’s
The UK gets by despite them not because of their actions.
Dave does not know his arse from his elbows!
Brown can only “call a committee to talk about it” or hide!
The rest are non-events and free loaders or both.
Oh and I forgot, the political press are gutless pond life
Well that’s that sorted so I’m off out now looking for crumpet!.
Re Courtney Coventry (see above)
That looks to me like fresh evidence. If so, then the CPS may be imposed upon to reopen the case.
There have been some rather sinister going-ons, with regard to Mrs Coventry's evidence, by the look of it.
69% of people like either Cameron or the party or both and could vote Conservative- good news
Phew! 25% approval, that's bloody marvellous. No error there then.
Guido,you've obviously not been attending my lessons in "Defence against the Black Arts" If you had been you would have been able to defend yourself against believing this sort of propaganda peddled by the servants of "Him-that-must-not-be-named" ! I suggest in future you use a standard "expelliramus" spell which should combat the effects of the "Confundo" incantation.
anon 6.47
all utterly irrelevant, as the lesser of two evils, Tories win by a distance.
Anyone incapable of recognising this fact do not pass go, do not collect £200 & put up with gordo's sixth form socialism bleeding you dry.
Walter said...And what more do you expect from the Guardian? Only fit for use as toilet paper really.
Bloody tricky Walt,I only read it online !
tapestry said...
ICM Guardian. Salt, pinch of, required.
I left Iains' because of your bloody claptrap ,and now your here.Your doin' me head in again Tappy.
Chris Paul said...
Phew! 25% approval, that's bloody marvellous. No error there then.
Afternoon Chris, always look forward to reading your comments.Cut above the rest who hang out in this dark abyss.
Prof Snape - at last, someone who can spell "peddled". Well done, sir!
Geezer said...
Another carefully contrived anti-Conservative.
Lets get this straight then stupid.If the poll is for the "Toff" it's genuine bit of work.If the poll is against this silly fellow it's a contrived plot. Ever been out canvassing for your man.Knocked the occasional door and said "Hi, I'm here on behalf of the nasty party,you'll remember us I hope"
The new figures are just as weird if not weirder: nobody dislikes both Cameron and the party? Were they conducting the poll on the doorstep of CCHQ?
Sounds like some sort of party game we used to play back in student days;
I like bullshit but I don't like truth (or something like that) come to think of it many politicians are still playing that one.
None of the above posts. Whoever you are, you really are quite childish. And extremely inarticulate. And still, despite all my hints, cannot comprehend punctuation.
sockpuppet said...
None of the above posts. Whoever you are, you really are quite childish. And extremely inarticulate. And still, despite all my hints, cannot comprehend punctuation.
Agreed,poorly educated.Left school when I was 15.Spelling down to a spell checker thingy.No hope with the punctuation I fear,it's kind of an intuition thing with me.Old,little or no education,but I can get you to respond to every comment I make, can't I tubby !
walter 10:36 PM, July 25
And what more do you expect from the Guardian? Only fit for use as toilet paper really.
I trust you speak from experience!
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