Punting on Paxo v the Number Two Wannabees
Guido has loaded up his Betfair account with cash in the hope that the Newsnight debate could be decisive one way or another in this race. Will try to figure not the merit of the arguments, not even how voters in the Labour electoral college will respond, but how other gamblers will interpret events. Despite having explained this many times, gambling on a beauty contest (like this) is not about figuring out who is the prettiest girl, but who the judges will think is the prettiest girl. Good luck..Intros hardly move the market.
Head-to-head is more of a side-by-side format.
Lots of flannel on the Iraq issue.
Promises from Harman of an end to spin.
No real move in the betting markets, Paxo demands yes/no answers. Cruddas says no to Trident and charitable schools. So that stakes him out on the left.
Alan Johnson and Blears appear to accept the post-Thatcher Blairite settlement.
Punters start to move against Hain. Johnson closes on Benn.
Paxo bows out with "who would vote for if you weren't running?" Only Cruddas gives a straight answer (Blears Harman).
ENDS
Let the spinning begin...
Alan Johnson and Blears appear to accept the post-Thatcher Blairite settlement.
Punters start to move against Hain. Johnson closes on Benn.
Paxo bows out with "who would vote for if you weren't running?" Only Cruddas gives a straight answer (
ENDS
Let the spinning begin...
58 comments:
Guido got Blears relative height just about right in the deputy leadermong lineup, in fact she could be even shorter, Benn is wittering, and they're off, the most pointless political spectacle in history.
Blears is an accomplished tapdancer. She fell off once and broke her leg in the sink.
boom boom.
God it's awful.... they all jump up to the platform and pitch their credentials to Paxman looking him directly in the eye (no studio audience). What's the point? Benn - no notes, rambling, Blears - too short, Harman - boring, Johnson - cheap suit, grey tie, Hain - grasping at the lectern too much false fervour, Cruddas, dig at croquet but not much else.
Fantastic, is it one of those exciting phone in shows, what number do I ring to vote for Harman being evicted/electrocuted/put out of her misery?
Watching this now...
Cruddas coming across surprisingly well.
Benn looks uneasy.
Permatan Hain doing better than expected.
Johnson okay.
Harman slimey.
Blears - so short!
If anyone's gone up in my opinion so far, it's undoubtably Cruddas. Much as it pains me to say it.
Benn is challenging Hain for the role of biggest cunt on the panel there - what a shower of arseholes.
All trying to set the shared agenda that we have to "move on" from Iraq - "we are where we are". You should be in the fucking dock you talentless sycophantic vermin
Ha! The chipmunk's been placed next to Benn and is half his size .... who says the BBC has no sense of humour.
Hain wants to be an umbilical cord, Johnson wants to be fucked up the arse by batman, and Paxo is judging them all according to how well they can suck up to Brown, Labour Party TV at its finest.
frank fisher (my old headmaster back from the grave? Surely not!) - I once got caught in a shower of arseholes. Broke my umbrella.
Man, I regret saying that about Cruddas.
He's just wrong on everything.
Oh fuck it, Johnson wil do. Not like they'll be in the job for long (one hopes).
With what's ahead for Team Tony, this is a lot like six turkeys puting themselves forward for in a Xmas raffle.
the labour party is imploding live on TV, brilliant.
Cruddas is the only credible candidate the rest simply out for themselves
Cruddas or Johnson for me - semi-single answers to the 'yes' or 'no' round. Minimal qualifications to their answers from both! Harman reminds me of Mandelson on Question Time last week
...having just been sent of the skool-hall for luarghin' out loud (hem-hem);i can only think johnson (minor) hav' taken leave of his sensis. the 'boy wonder' indeed - I expec that after a.m. break tomorow he will be suffering mightily, wounded by the barbs & taunts of the various playground tuoghs, oiks, bulies ect. ect. he is an utter clot.
even so, the foot-shooting comp. continue apace, chiz, and nobode think 'senior prefec' is such a good job anewa. all boys are grimly stoic in the face of such tosh, subdued only by stink of carbolik, hair-oil ect. eminating from the hapless stooges...
blears really is a disgrace, she is so utterly vacuous it beggars belief...........
So far, a non-event.
The programme is too short to allow Paxman to press the panel on their non-answers and sleight-of-gob.
Very poorly thought-out by the BBC and a Godsend for the mouthy candidates who prefer to filibuster.
Did I hear Hain claim sole credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland?
I think Alan Johnson's won this, in the end.
Undecided whether this is a good thing or not, but the other options are so pathetic it's beyond belief.
You did, anon. I think he said he "closed" it, as in closing the deal. If he was a lolipop he'd be licking himself live on the beeb.
Harman is on top by a mile. The rest are all hopeless particularly Benn, Johnson, and Cruddas.
Anonymous said...
God it's awful.... they all jump up to the platform and pitch their credentials to Paxman looking him directly in the eye
All except Blears methinks - she'd have to be on stilts to look Paxman in the eye. She just proves that, yes indeed bad things CAN come in small packages.
great last question........cruddas is the only winner..the rest were frankly shite
Johnson's fucked his chances, he was totally fucking useless. And Benn just came across as a two faced cunt
Who cares, they are all scum. Why anyone would want to advertise the fact that they would want to serve in a Labour Govt. with whats round the corner appalls me.
I thought Cruddas was very good though he won't win. Of all the establishment candidates I expected to loathe Harman but she was definitely the best of the rest. Benn was appalling... I wonder how he can possibly win it with performances like that. There really is no beginning to Hazel Blears' talents and surely she's not a serious proposition for this. Peter Hain came across as polished but too smarmy - like Bob Monkhouse without the gags.
Didn't Cruddas say he'd vote for Harman, not Blears?
Cruddas did say he'd vote for Harman. None of the other slimeballs had the guts to give an answer! Really was quite pathetic. Cruddas definitely came across as the honest, straight-forward candidate. Well, I suppose Blears was honest in her ultra-Blairism...Who would have thought a human being could be so small?
Oops, yes Harman.
Cruddas came across as the only honest Joe and might appeal to Gordo with his views on taxing the wicked rich.
On the other hand, the bogey-picker won't like someone who wants to galvanise the backbenchers like a shop steward.
It's the party's decision, but the nappy-fetishist would probably prefer Harman. Blears is just as blindly loyal, but more irritating. Just.
Yep, Cruddas said Harman.
I've never seen so much Brown nosing in allmy life. D'ya think Brown was at home getting off on it?
Bit disappointed in Pax. He cut off one or two potential debates between candidates before they had chance to begin.
what was that somebody said about most blog commenters been just a load of pissed off people with nothing to say?
NEVER!
Actually Harman wasn't as bad as expected, Blears should be in a tree nibbling on things, Hain, Benn and Johnson are all useless slimy snout in trough types so I'll splash out and vote for all of them to be evicted/electrocuted/hunted by a chainsaw maniac in a Running Man type scenario.
looking on th ebright side it confirmed we only have 3 years left to put up with this sit show of a party and the they will evaporate forever.........talentless twats the lot of them.
although it must be said that the badgers that are on now are more interesting than that tosh we just sat through
Guido, any reason why Hain is the only candidate in shadow in the image accompanying this posting? Was it to counter his tan?
Was it Hain who said we had full employment? 3 more years of fantasy island, er no thanks Hain.
Ha was reading all of this then just realised at the end that (as a card carrying member of hte Labour party) i actualy have a vote in all this.
Purely on this blog comment thing - i am going for Cruddas! I just don't get how blears/hain/benn have lost all perspective regards the position they are running for.
I just remembered. Didn't Cruddas state right at the start of his speech that "the party has lost nearly 200,000 members over the last 10 years, that's nearly 20,000 a month"? (He did, I just checked - poor me). You would have thought he'd have worked his sums out before he came on. Using his calculations Labour has lost 24million members by 1997. Wow. They really have gone downhill haven't they?
maybe i didnt get the memo, but since when has newsnight been a propaganda vehicle for the Labour Party?
who really gives a *damn* about the deputy leadership election , besides Labour apparatchiks? newsnight seems to have completely lost the plot on this one.
I just saw a bat that looked exactly like Peter Hain, it was cleaning itself then it attacked another bat for some reason, fascinating.
Any news from the Labour Party auditors?
BBC web poll - Benn, Johnson, Harman were level pegging around 15% with cruddas out in front - suddenly a bug hit and Benn fell to 0% - now worked his way up to 5% again but since he was at 15% at 360 voted and now 5% at 570 voted - that's a mathematical impossibility. newsnight poll has clearly got a bug...
BATMAN!!! HE SAID BATMAN!!!!
That's my personal highlight of the deputy leadership campaign!!!
Love the graphic. It makes them all look like the alien mutant-freaks that they are.
"Look we have six heads!"
(Isn't there something in the Bible (Revelations of St John the Evangilist) saying we should watch out for that sort of thing?)
All of this crowd of Nulab liars are equally complicit with Bliar in their unswerving support for his illegal invasion of Iraq and the slaughter of thousands of Iraqis.
They seem to think that by pressing the 'good faith' button that this absolves them from any responsibility.
They all say that we must 'move on'. Try telling that to young Ali's mother who sent her son to the shop in a market in Baghdad and next saw him with his brains sucked from his skull by a US 'super' bomb.
A pox on all their houses.
Let me remind those with very bad memories that this government was elected 3 times on 2 very large lies that they never did intend to carry out.
Welfare reform
NHS reform
Remember those? if not I am not supprised because no one on the BBC ever mentions them anymore. Which if a "journalist" wants to remain on the BBC gravy train for long is just as well for them.
Instead we have spent the family silver and furnature the kiddies toys and all the cash in the poor little buggers piggy banks, employing useless Labour Party voting public employees. To the point that the Labour Party no longer neads members to get elected because half the country now cant eat without public money.
A record of lies and electorial manipulation which Stalin would be proud of. He simply got rid of elections or shot or exiled his political opponants, so we should at least be thankfull for something. Browns political opponants have largely just left and gone to live in Spain for example, or got into properties to share in all that lovely government housing rental cash.
Brixton has more able bodied men apparently walking on crutches then a sporting injuries rehabilitaion centre.
The NHS is approching 3rd world status with more ilegel immigrants getting treated at it then recent legel immigrants working in it.
The BBC should be pulling Labour apart on these issues like Frank Field MP has tried to do. But then they have had there cash sorted already. So we the sane hard working people of the UK can "all just go boil our bums, shut up, work even harder and get our cheque books out again."
Jilted John
I wish I could share in you optimism. If you think Stalin sorry Brown has been doing all this quietly in the background for 10 years just to do another 3 years then bugger off back to retirement in 3rd world Scotland, THINK AGAIN.
As I have said before I give him no more then 12 months before he proposes a government of national unity. Or should I say a one party state. In fact in recent speeches he has already hinted about such a thing. Read between the lines because you can be completly sure the BBC will not want to bother to.
Whether the country is in a big enough mess by then for Gordon Brown to pull it off is another matter. But you can be totally assured he would if he could, and the Lib/Dems will follow him their like lambs to their masters butcher.
wot a load of tossers!! they may as well have put a giant model of bruuns arse
for them to kiss on their way in.was
the chipmonk sitting?,can i go and live on planet hain cos its not this one,and what is the point of hilary benn?.If bruun is best and these six are next god help us, at least prezza was a laugh and only cost the same as a bbc sitcom which wouldnt have the same effect.
Mitch
What gets me is how these cretinous lightweights ever got into any possition of power over a educated sensible country like Britain.
Oh yes I remember its because the BBC put them there and the BBC has every intention of keeping them there whatever it god damn takes.
And Brown has killed off any opposition to his megleomanic ambitions one by one.
Hillery Ben is as much of a Washington as my pet goldfish is of a Winston Churchill. These 6 examples of barely evolved ameoba you would not trust to run a public toilet without it costing more per visit then a night at the Dorchester with a $300 call girl to warm your feet for you.
Also how did Guido manage to make Blears look almost shagable? Does the impossible cost as much as a miracle Fawlks? Because that is the type of cleverness this country needs right now.
Its enough to make a lifetime atheist start taking up praying to something quick.
Tried to watch newsnight lastnight, kept drifting in & out of sleep (so exciting), cant remember much other than something about batman and seeing one of the Krankies. Maybe it was just a weird dream?
I'm so glad I'm not a member of the labour party. Trying to choose which one of that lot to cast your vote for would be liken trying to choose between drinking dog's pee and eating cat sick.
Cruddas is sweet, though, isn't he? We'll tax them all really highly. They won't emigrate. They like being taxed. Bless.
These candidates for Deputy Leader don't even know if the winner is also going to become Deputy Prime Minister. Some assume so, but leaks suggest Brown has already done a deal with Straw to give him the job.
What a typical New Labour dishonest shambles.
Cruddas appeared to say 'in terms of' at least a dozen times in a minute. A little bit David Brent really.
I had to have several large ones to sit through the whole Newsnight extravaganza of mediocrity.
The hypocrisy ooooooozes out of all of them - especially Benn.
I cannot believe he went on Newsnight & said the word "socialist" - & then went on to brag about how he has redistributed my taxes to the feckless & the lazy in 3rd world shitholes where the people hate us.
£6 Billion of the Queens English Pounds that shite Benn gave away in 2006, bidding for international sainthood using our cash.
I look forward to the day when an Englishman such as myself, draws upon our fellow countrymen to form a firing squad & puts these international socialist anti British wankers out of their considerable misery.
Mr. Cruddy , Hazel Bleaaaaghs,Postman Pat,HeadGirl Harman, Hilarious Toff-Benn, and Twice the PHain .
What a bunch of unappealing inadequates......just what the Bogeyman ordered.
I agree. The Labour party imploded in an unprofessional show of utter shambles. If this is the best of the best on who will help run the country God help us!
Mr Cruddy was about the only one who could string a sentence togehter!
They all performed even worse than expected - i.e. total crap rather than just crap. What a shower of nobodies. The dream ticket would have been McDonnell-Cruddas I suppose, but as a socialist I believe socialists should always be in opposition.
Didn't Cruddas say he is an unilateralist? With Russia testing long-range missiles?
Sure he's not Cameron's sockpuppet?
Was it my imagination or was Harman wearing 5'' heels cunningly hidden in the trousers? I think the public should be told.
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