Sian's Smile Masks Totalitarian Agenda
Guido has met Sian Berry, the Green party's candidate for London mayor, she is charming and pleasant. She just happens to believe that there are too many humans on the planet.We were both on a radio show last year and Guido accused her of believing in an anti-human ideology. When we came down to it, she admitted that yes, she did think the planet had too many humans on it. That to Guido is the essential problem with Greens, they want things that no sensible person would not want, such as clean air and water, a safe and sustainable environment - but the priority is "Earth First", humans second. With new eco-technologies we don't need to go back to living in the Stone Age as they advocate. Green extremists are using the common desire for a cleaner planet to further an anti-capitalist, anti-human agenda. Humanity is not a problem.
Why the focus on international aviation which produces 0.1% of global carbon emissions?
UPDATE : Found that radio show MP3, Recess Monkey, Guido and Sian on The Knives Are Out.
116 comments:
I really can't stand the pious moralising of these retarded fuckwits. Cameron can go fuck himself, and I hope Brown drowns in a pile of slurry.
They are all cunts.
x
Guido's Grin Masks Libertarian Agenda
Would you be less appalled by her 'anti-human' stance if it was less anti-capitalist?
What does Guido think is the maximum sustainable population?
C02 makes up just 0.054% of the earths atmosphere
Greens are just the same wankers who marched aginst the bomb all those years ago, international socialists, its a kind of mental afliction , note how few of them actually create anything other than trouble.
I would gas the lot of them with C02 , two problems solved , lower population and no pain in the arse socialists.
Where is the "political tittle-tattle and gossip" in this post Guido? if you want to have a serious debate about (yawn) policies and issues, why don't you go and do it on your own blog?!
oh wait...
what's got into you?
If she thinks there are too many humans on the planet, I can think of a way she could reduce the number by one.
Sorry for your trauma, Guido, why don't you have a Berry...looks alright she does ..and then if there are lots of new Berrys you could offset, by 1, their increase, by jumping off London Bridge.
Sero,
Yes it would be less appalling if she was less anti-human and anti-capitalist.
There is no limit to humanity's growth and upward rise. We have a whole universe available to us.
She's right, there are too many people on the planet. Admittedly most of them are Labour MPs...
I used to be a green. Then I grew up.
Has she been sterilised ? It would be terrible for us all if she could reproduce
I used to be green. Then it was amputated.
"...new eco-technologies..."? "...whole universe available to us...."? SPLORF! You've been watching too much Star Trek.
at the risk of invoking Godwins Law, i would like to point out that the first political environmentalists were in fact the Nazis - all that strength-through-joy outdoor life, lebensraum, and dreams of the Waffen SS retiring to the farms of the conquerered Ukraine.
indeed, the whole concept of lebensraum is very similar to Sian Berry's "too many humans on the planet" stance. Hitler also believed that there were too many people in Europe - so he waged an extermination war to create "lebensraum" for his Aryan masses.
Nazism is closely interwoven with the whole "green" issue, as you can clearly see from this American site:
http://www.nazi.org/
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Dear Senor Guido
It was a great Radio Programme - you rather had the better of the argument - I seem to recall that Miss Fawkes made some incisive contributions - when are you having another Radio Programme
Yr obedient servant etc
G E
There's too many feckin humans round here in the south east, gridlocked roads, crowded supermarkets, overflowing schools, hardly any green spaces and peace and quiet.
We're all thrown together like feckin rats with more joining in every day so we start biting at each other. If you think we're not overcrowded then try bloody living round here.
cum oop north here londoner.
Lots of free space, very few Conservative MPs..
She looked stoned on Question Time the other night...
So she's not all bad, then
Good man Guido. It's about time someone gave the Greens a slap.
My personal favourite hate-figure though has to be Derek "I am an eco-Marxist" Wall.
It's indicative of the free ride that this lot get in the press that his election as "principal speaker" (*rolls eyes*) passed off with so little comment.
Can you imagine the uproar if a proper political party elected an actual Communista as leader?
Bonkers, the lot of 'em.
Hmmm, guido didn't offer to help her increase the population by at least one did he?
Logically there is an upper limit on the number or people who can live on this planet.
When that limit is reached or exceeded people die, as a result of famine, drought or starvation. That's the unpalatable truth. Life on Earth is more Malthusian than those of us living in 21st Century Europe are prepared to realise.
Technology can save those lives, or at least prevent their being sacrificed. And that has to be right. Bravo, Guido.
I am afraid the poor women has just been Guidoed - i.e. accused of something by Guido without any supporting evidence.
When did she say that there were too many people on the planet? What evidence do you have that is what she believes? Have you given her any chance to defend herself against your accusations?
As for all the Muppets that take your word as gospel!
She's right, there are too many people on this planet... too many people in the UK, to be honest: shave the population back by about the same as the benefit figures and it would be nothing but +ve for the economy all the way.
Trouble is, you can't just kill people* and everyone seems to scream if the birth rate drops below the death rate...
That, and that the Green Party is pretty much a front for totalitarians trying to push us back into the stone age. With all of this eco-madness going on, does anyone wonder why the Greens haven't picked up more votes?
* Well, technically you can. But for a variety of reasons I'd prefer it if that stayed firmly off our list of options.
Tory Boys never grow up...
In answer to your questions (in order):
"On the radio show he mentions being on with her."
"Because she said it on the radio."
and "He did, on the radio show they were on"
Next time you try to snipe, check your facts first, old boy.
I'm all for people with anti-capitalist agendas - just so long as they don't frighten the horses darling.
Malthus did not take into account technological progress in his thinking. Guido is correct, there is no upper-limit on human population.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en
I enjoyed this. x
Guys, don't you get it - green is the new blue. The Tory boys have got to get into bed with the Green gals for the sake of the planet. Given the choice between Red Ken or this Green gal, I know where my vote's going.
If you think we're not overcrowded then try bloody living round here.
London is not nearly dense enough! Look how exciting New York, Bangkok, etc. are in comparison.
If you want to live in a nice twee village and have no crowds at the shop then perhaps London isn't the place for you?
Whatever you think of climate-change (I think it's total and utter bollocks, watching oh-so-pious and oh-so-sure twats like Sian makes me doubly sure) the Green agenda has simply become a taxation framework.
Is this the brave new world the greens wanted?
As Sian wants less humans with her earth-first policy, perhaps she wants to either tax us to death or put all us climate-change deniers in Environmentalist Death Camps. She's chief guard and will make us beg for our lives at morning selection....
"Ah Mr Fawkes, you don't seem to accept that airline travel is humanities greatest threat (so what if some africans die of malaria..).
It's the smokeless and environment-friendly oven for you, you climate change denying bastards....Death's too good for you"
Guido said,
There is no limit to humanity's growth and upward rise. We have a whole universe available to us.
To infinity and beyond? Have you just outed yourself as Buzz Lightyear?
Guido, you're doing nothing to counter the widely-held view that libertarians are perpetual teenage boys who never outgrew trash science-fiction (or Ayn Rand - if there's a difference).
I forgot to ask you guido?
Has she got big tits?
everybody has to have some redeeming quality
Guido, you're doing nothing to counter the widely-held view that libertarians are perpetual teenage boys
So there are no other planets in the Universe? Next you'll be telling us that there aren't any spacecraft either, or were the moon-landings fake and satellite telly comes from next door?
"Humanity is not a problem." = Correct statement.
"Humans are a problem." = Correct statement.
People sometimes ask me what is the maximum sustainable human population and I always reply 'God knows'.
That one may smile and smile and be a villain.
Hitch,
One gathers her tits look big on radio.
Athos
I'll think you find that Guido was just reporting his own thoughts. It's customary to put quotes in inverted commas - the clue "is when we came down to it" which is Guido speak for "this is my opinion/spin on what she said". He is putting words into peoples mouths - if you really believe that she said there "were too many people on the planet" then please carry on - nothing I or anyone else will say will convince you otherwise.
I have never been green, just a nice shade of tartan....
I think Guido fancies her.....gives him something to do with his hands I suppose...
Buzz bears an uncanny resemblance to the deputy prime minister
She was on tv last Thursday ,but I couldn't see if she had sandals on, she's a very pretty lady,but when she was being introduced as a Green ,I fell violently sick and turned the tv off.
Gotta add that I think Sian's a real stunner! I wouldn't say no to a bit of girl-on-girl action with her! Mmmmmmm .....
Did you know that there are 6 million dogs and 11 million cats in the UK? Hardly any of them are worth having - I mean really...
"everyone seems to scream if the birth rate drops below the death rate"
not really - birth rates have been below death rates for 25 years or more, helped by 6m 'terminations'.
The rising population is imported.
The guillotine is carbon neutral.
So why not fuck this lot off via madame guillotine and in one swoop the planet will be cleaner.
The Greens have to be allowed to survive so that we can laugh at them when they're discredited. Remember Brent Spar?
Mutley....
I have a dog, its black wif 4 legs but didnt win Cruffs...some poofed up floor rug did...grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Whatever happenned to David Icke?
Wasn't he an ultra-Green fruitcake!?!
Anonymous 4:21 PM said...
birth rates have been below death rates for 25 years or more, helped by 6m 'terminations'.
6 million ... a Holocaust.
Nice smile - who's her dentist ? Will there be dentists in the New Stone Age ?
At 10.08am Guido wrote: there has been too much discussion of policy and politics in the comments of late, some über-bores even discussing history. It is not entertaining in the least, this blog is about political tittle-tattle and gossip (on a good day).
So since when did the greens and their 'anti-human ideology' count as gossip and tittle tattle? Perhaps not a good day for Guido?
Tory Boys Never Grow Up - The comments were on one of those Doughty street things - I would have to listen again but from memory what Guido is saying is correct. To settle it I would have to listen again but cant be arsed.
That's the trouble with humans ... it's all you, you, you.
You should try catching a decent bit of lunch in the North Atlantic these days ... it's tough I can tell you.
Now I know Douglas Adams had us shooting off in our space rockets just before the world ended, but I've got news for you. Dolphins don't have space rockets!
So while you lot are all teleporting off to that paradise they call Mars (yes the red desert images are all rubbish - it's really nice up there I hear), we are going to be well and truly stuffed ... but what do you care.
sounds like she could do with watching the "the great global warming swindle" more 4 tonight 10pm - satelite ch142..
All that carbon dioxide creed of theirs utter rubbish ..watch the prog warming releases CO2 not CO2 creating warming
the green emperor has no clothes :-)
So the truly stunning Sian no doubt thinks (advisedly) is that what this world needs is a bloody good war (or two) - as a means of population control. Does she have any views on Famine or Plagues at all?
Would she therefore support unlimited proliferation of nuclear weaponry? That might help a bit.
green over said... 5:25 PM
Yep, required viewing - unless you have bought into futures on Stone Age flint axes.
Abortion prevented a wave of benefit parasites.
It's much better than the alternative (people who do not have the resources to have children knocking them out).
Anonymong @ 10:08,
The tittle-tattle was the preference for trees over humans.
Sian said to me there are too many people on the planet.
Cassandra 4:14
May I join in too!
'Why the focus on international aviation which produces 0.1% of global carbon emissions?'
Because whilst flying to the South of France is no doubt pleasurable it is not unlike lighting and cooking, essential. If we’re going to ration carbon emission (which is now almost certain) we’re going to have to prioritise.
The Hitch 3:38
Too right!
Good points!
Ed said...
If you want to live in a nice twee village and have no crowds at the shop then perhaps London isn't the place for you?
You like crawling around in first gear do you snailboy?
That's a very healthy looking virginia creeper.
AntiCitizenOne said...
Abortion prevented a wave of benefit parasites....
You mean, an even bigger wave of benefit parasites than the fucking huge wave of benefit parasites we've already got.
LOVE he smile! It's a real corker!
I wonder how they got her to make it...
whilst preserving the integral colour of their biodegradable ecological values?
Well...if you ask me...
...it just HAD to be a cucumber!
Perhaps she would to comment on the environmental impact of unbridled immigration,or is this subject taboo?
If you want to live in a nice twee village and have no crowds at the shop then perhaps London isn't the place for you?
Don't think we want to live in Frinton-on-Sea, most of us don't. But the city has a daytime population of just under 116,000/km2. That's just shy of the population of the whole of Rotherham. Or, to put it another way, cramming the entire population of Frinton-on-Sea into your house.
Sockpuppet, did you actually mean "the entire population of Frinton-on-Sea not of pensionable age into your house", if not, your real name is Phil the Greek and I claim my 5 groats
Huge green smile said....
"...it just had to be a cucumber"
No no no its a watermelon - green on the outside and red inside.
My problem with this lot is their very limited ambitions of wanting to sort out the world.
Having excused Mr Fawkes for his little dalliance with the universe I prefer my party/politicians of choice to concentrate on the wants, needs and aspirations of the 60m ish (possibly 65m with casuals)population of the UK.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6443337.stm
One of the PM's closest aides Ruth Turner wrote of her concerns that "Lord Levy had asked her to lie for him".
This emerged in court when the BBC was granted permission to report the reasons an injunction was served about a cash-for-honours news story.
The judge who granted the injunction at the police's request said "there is a substantial element of truth in what the intended BBC broadcast was to say".
Lord Levy, Labour's fundraiser, and all others involved deny wrong-doing.
The police requested the injunction because they did not wish certain individuals to know in advance the nature of the document that they possessed.
You like crawling around in first gear do you snailboy?
Who needs a car when you've got a decent pair of shoes and an Oyster card?
New Yorkers don't have a problem with population growth, why should we?
bof2bs said: "My problem with this lot is their very limited ambitions of wanting to sort out the world."
To be honest...so long as she sorts me. out first, I couldn't give a sprouting egg-plant what policies she employs on her way to the peak of politics...
PS:
I'm not really an expert on these matters...but wouldn't a watermelon be a bit on the large size...given the size of the party in question? What's your experience?
cassandra at 14.14
fuck off and get your own name - people never believe it when you tell them what's going to happen
not quite that huge green smile said...
From my very limited experience of watching watermelon consumption I believe its all in the preparation which creates the subsequent ear to ear activity.
I do agree though beautiful smile and virgina creeper.
A final point is that i have learn't from bitter experience never to trust anyone with a cicumflex in their name.
The Communists and assorted Lefty whackos, obviously came to the conclusion, after the collapse of the Socialist Tyrannies in Eastern Europe, that the prols are undeserving of their putrid ideology, because they didn't want it and wanted freedom, democracy and the chance to improve their quality of life instead. They now hate humanity, because humanity is instinctively capitalist, because it wants to develop and improve. They are disguising themselves as eco-mentalists in the hope of scaring the world into wrecking capitalist inspired development and dragging us back to some sort of feudal poverty.
The countries with the highest standards of living, across the board, tend to have relatively small populations like Switzerland and Luxembourg, for example.
People think that there are too many people in Britain, especially for those of us who live in London and the South East, and it is too overcrowded in parts, but there are too many unproductive people that the rest of us have to support. Benefit dependent people and far too many public sector non-jobbers who cost even more than the single-mothers and unemployables.
Enforce productivity on people and they country is richer and much better off.
Ed said...
New Yorkers don't have a problem with population growth, why should we?
Who the fuck wants to be like New Yorkers? They're the most screwed up, neurotic, paranoid, unhealthy bunch of cunts on the planet.
Londoners aren't very far behind.
So how would she reduce the number of humans on the planet then? A cull? A lottery? Some kind of 'list' with all the 'worthwhile' humans on it? And you just *know* who's going to be on that list, don't you?
This is so short-sighted as to be compared to the ocular capacity of a myopic naked mole rat.
There are *not* too many humans on the planet, what we have is the inability of over half the Worlds population to have any kind of access to the advanced technology (such as electricity - yeah, *really* advanced) that means they *don't* have to chop down trees for firewood thus adding to soil erosion and crop failure, or access to clean water or proper shelter or simple anti-malarials (DDT works, but those Green shits have made that chemical persona non grata), or a simple electric light bulb (incandescent will do), so they can work after sunset and provide for their kids.
There is an infinite universe out there - it is ours, there is noone else out there, and we are going to need all the people we can get to populate it - I would have thought the green movement would have been touched by the thought of looking into a night sky and seeing green stars, but what do I know. It seems they prefer to see a sterile wasteland.
geezer @ 7:24pm - you are a scholar sir!, to whit;
"They now hate humanity, because humanity is instinctively capitalist, because it wants to develop and improve. "
Quite so, Michael Rothschild said;
"Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon."
To those who do not seem to mind the prospect of the UK becoming a version of Bankok or New York,the whole argument is about the environment of this island.To put it simply;more housing,more cars,more consumption = more of a detrimental impact on the environment,especially at the rate of increase in the population we are seeing at the moment due to New Labour policy/incompetence.
Well, one solution - all of them could top themselves.
Or of course they're the ones who deserve to live and the rest of us need killing off.
London is getting crowded because the British economy is hoovering up young educated people from all over Europe. If only we could export our deadbeats in return we'd be in a win-win situation. Send a dosser to Poland. Sounds catchy.
London could be easily less crowded by 10% and thus much less congested if you just housed unemployed people away from the capital.
London is crowded because Labour (mandys dad) wanted to build so many benefit addict enclaves that the conservatives would be crowded out.
Have any of you wankers actually been in an aircraft and flown over this country?
Its mostly fucking empty, huge swathes of green fields and hills, mountains and rivers, the only reason it feels cramped is due to planning regulations.
The Hitch has seen places in the higher parts of the country that most people wouldn't recognise as planet earth let alone England, black soil, no vegetation and freezing mist in August.
We need to build more houses and stick several million undesirables on ships back to where they belong , even if they were born here.
"London could be easily less crowded by 10% and thus much less congested if you just housed unemployed people away from the capital."
Sod that, they can stay there! Us provincials don't want them either. Then again though, there is Wales...
green smile: I'll post the video on the internet! That Sian, she's a real hottie!
Guido
Totally agree with you about the aviation point, but better make clear that the stat is:
UK aviation makes up 6% of our total, but UK is only 2% of world emissions. Therefore, UK aviation contributes just 0.12% of global emissions.
tbngu,
An entertaining attempt to make me out as the irrational one, merely because I listened to the show and heard her say it? Entertaining, but cheap in practice.
Your entire argument is based on the fact that a man, not even remotely known for his formal style, did not use quotation marks when writing a summary of what someone said. Your argument is also designed as an attack on the people here, not on the content of the postings... playing the player and not the ball? Also a cheap line of argument.
He may have goaded her into saying it, but say it she did. *ahem* deal.
I think as the biggest contributor to global warming, we should slaughter the entire stock of European Cattle.
In one fell swoop, we would cut CO2 emissions and take away the market for animal libertarians and starve the whiny vegetarians of most of their dairy products.
It would also have the added benefit of cutting out most of the Farm subsidies which are bleeding us dry.
"Sod that, they can stay there! Us provincials don't want them either. Then again though, there is Wales..."
8:34 PM
I've always thought the Isle of Wight would be a good containment area for useless chav. After all, it does have two prisons already, so it makes sense for visiting days ect.
I imagine an "Escape from New York" type deal.
I don't want to sound like an apologist for anti-capitalist/greens, but saying there are too many humans on the planet is not the same as anti-humanist. Its simple economics, x-number of people wanting to live to y-standards requires z-amount of earths resources. Increase x or y and z increases. As we all know, z is not infinite, everybody wants a decent standard of living, so the only variable left is x, number of people.
anon @ 10:10pm - that would be correct in a static "I win, therefore you lose" environment. It's not like that. Capitalism wins out because (and here's the clincher) in a non-coercive deal, ie a trade made between two free agents, both parties will come out ahead. Otherwise they wouldn't make the trade ;)
The point is that capitalism and technology makes the z part of your equation smaller, We use smaller amounts of resources 'z' to get better 'y'.
There was Julian Simon's famous bet with Paul Ehrlich over the inflation-adjusted price of metals and whether the price would decline over 10 years (indicating the metals were more abundant). The price fell and Ehrlich paid up - see http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/People/julian_simon.html for more details.
appreciated cassandra...
...can't wait to see the smile of your eye!
A trip to Hong Kong would open eyes to just how underpopulated the world is.
Or put more simply, just how much more populated the planet could get and still prosper.
In fact this planet never mind the universe is so underpopulated by people, one could rightly claim that human beings are living very close to the brink of exstinction.
So what's she gonna do about this so-called population problem then...
go round the globe telling people to get less horny...
she's probably not the best choice ambassador4lessamour...
possibly a good job for brown though...
any better suggestions?
Who gives piece of human compost
There are too many humans - all men better looking than me should me exterminated with immediate effect (then I might get me a bit of Sian Berry)
How do you spot a closet neo-NAZI, too stupid to know that they are one.
Answer: You look for a intellectual with a superiority complex, then wait for them to indicate to you that they believe there are too many people in the world.
Then you punch them in the mouth.
To be honest, my only recent encounter of Sian is via Thurdays QT. She does look like a 60's throwback, a niece of Branson, almost, even down to the craned neck, lidded eyes and patter.
She is a priestess of The Green Religion of Unthought. A safe, sanctimonious place into which people can retreat into and then face outward, blaming the "heathens" beyond.
"Soylent Green is people!"
A student of mine, a member of the Greens is a vegan, anti-fox hunting, pro-killing scientists and advocates euthenasia for all over 70. I kid you not.
If that means Guido's bitch ho mutter Mrs T is terminated then fine by me.
Uuuummmmmm Scratch and Sniff
Have any of you wankers actually been in an aircraft and flown over this country?
Its mostly fucking empty, huge swathes of green fields and hills, mountains and rivers, the only reason it feels cramped is due to planning regulations.
Thank you Hitch, anyone flying into Gatwick soon gets an impresion of how much empty set-aside space there in between Zone 6 and the South Coast.
Have any of you wankers actually been in an aircraft and flown over this country?
Its mostly fucking empty,
Same is true of Australia and Russia I understand.....and Africa is vastly underpopulated...Cecil Rhodes was right !
"A student of mine, a member of the Greens is a vegan, anti-fox hunting, pro-killing scientists and advocates euthenasia for all over 70. I kid you not."
Why not advocate killing him? By failing to eat meat he is failing to help keep the animal population under control and is therefore a liability. Does he drive? If so he's wrecking the planet!
10.39
He is a her.....she has a rich dad who works for an oil company.
Incidentally, has anyone noticed how the agendas of the enviro-nutters is similar to the likes of the Baader-Meinhof, Red Brigades and the like from back in the good old days. They are dangerous people, facist and morally dishonest.
first among my objections to all these comments must be their misogyny - by all means disagree with sian, but leave her breasts out of it.
secondly, as far as i can tell, the greens don't want to return to some kind of stone age - quite the opposite, they are keen to adopt any new technologies that will make life on earth more sustainable. surely the backward looking, harking back to a golden era, party is the tories?
there's loads more i want to moan about your posts, but i'm hungry and off to get some lunch.
"by all means disagree with sian, but leave her breasts out."
Oh I agree...
Can you still fit the population of the world on the Isle of Wight?
Omigaaaad!!! Nobody's doing overcrowding anymore!! Doesn't this poor girl realise it's sooooooo 1970's? And don't let her tell you retro's back in style either.
Come on doll. Wake up and smell the tofu!!!! The in-thing is still global warming.
If she promises to abandon the Olympics and mayoral propaganda sheets I'll vote for her. Little to choose on knee-jerk (or just jerk) pseudo-environmentalism from the other parties, and the mayor has no power to do the madder greenie things.
Derek Wall OTOH has been the incarnation of evil since the 1980s. Why most practicing Greens are unable to see that, a fact a darn sight more obvious than a self-composting privy, God knows. (Perhaps ALL the other sane ones have by now been driven out to cries of "Ungreen! Ungreen!)
tonemcd at 10.32.
Re my 10.10 comment. A fiendeshly clever argument that almost had me convinced. But what about this? Although as a proportion of each person we will use less of the planets resources (via capitalisim or whatever), we are still going to use more of these resources none the less (and at the moment replacing only a small percentage). As far as I am aware, we are far from the point where technology can impact anywhere near enough. My argument is not about which system is best, capitalisim etc, but simply population growth cannot be sustained at its current level.
Malthus had a few ideas on the matter of population growth as well; although they don't compare (in interest) with the problem of analyzing Sian's anatomy.
Talking of Anatomy I see that the medics are running out of dead bodies to practice upon. A revivial of the 1832 Anatomy Act called for? (What with all these dossers in NuLabour's paradise).
Greens to adopt One Child Policy?
Forced abortions
Forced sterilisation
Huge fines (say, 2 years salary) for unauthorised breeding
Compulsory contraception (to piss off the Pope)
Shame it doesn't work, but then, I don't suppose that would worry them.
PS - tax credits for wanking instead of bonking - that would make a lot of people happy.
Looks like Sian will have her way anyway. The replacement rate in much of Europe, e.g. Germany, Greece, Italy, is only 1.1 children per woman. In Russia it is 0.9. A neutral rate is 2.1. This means that in 20 years Italy, for example, will have only 80% of the population it does now and Russia 50%.
This means that we can reach all our carbon saving goals just by carrying on as we are. Of course this assumes no comcomitant economic collapse or immigrants flooding in to fill the vacuum and a Bosnia style civil war.
It does raise a question of how we're going to pay for those more expensive light bulbs that T. Blair was so proud of mandating earlier in the week with only a fraction of our economic strength today.
So there is lot's of empty space,so let's build over the f*****g lot and make a proper job of it.
Guido speak with nerd tongue. Well informed, but not as good as his written work IMHO.
Man is born free yet enviro nutters want to put him everywhere in chains.
Too many