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Sunday, March 4, 2007

Cui Bono: Is Downing Street the Leak Source?

Guido is very wary as we enter the closing straights of the investigation. Downing Street is in serious trouble and the only defence advanced so far is that the peerage nominations were for "party peerages". That is a non-existent class of honour and the admission in itself was effectively a confession, not a defence.

The BBC appears to be in a position to stand up the story going around in mid-January about a "Smoking Gun" email. Why else would the police want to injunct the story unless it was correct and revealing? The question is, who passed the email to the Beeb and what is their motive?
Fact : the BBC does not do cheque-book journalism.
Fact : Yates' team are, whatever the spin from Downing Street apologists, very tight-lipped.
When news of arrests and interviews has come out, it has more often than not been from the politicians themselves. Given that the Beeb didn't buy this story, who profits from revealing crucial police evidence? Not the investigators, which is why the police sought to suppress the story, because defence lawyers could make much mischief, and probably will, with the "trial by media" line.

To quote the most famous detective of all, "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, even if improbable, must be true." Those under investigation, now that they believe it no longer possible to "fix" the CPS because of the evidence known to have been discovered, have the most to benefit from bringing the evidence into the public domain. The desperadoes of Downing Street would not be above leaking against themselves, tactically it would also allow them to portray themselves as victims of media savvy police investigators. They already brief that the police are "theatrical" and whine that they are unable to publicly defend themselves from the "trial by media".

These are dangerous times for Downing Street's toughest street fighters. The gloves are definitely off, which is why Guido thinks this leak has Downing Street's fingerprints on it.

180 comments:

Frank said...

If the police think that the leak was an attempt to signal a specific person about a new line of questioning, they perhaps will need to question that person today.

Anonymous said...

The more I hear of this story makes me inclined to think that you are a 100% correct. I also feel that the leak came from No 10.

Thomas More said...

A truly cynical and quite brilliant analysis; worthy of Francis Urquhart himself. Keep up the good work (and don't prejudice the trial)...

Anonymous said...

Interesting and and ironic that selective leaking becomes a get out of jail card.

It's like Infernal Affairs III. I'm struggling to keep up with the plot...

Magpie said...

The News of the World agrees with you - if that's of any help?

Border Reiver said...

Spot on Mr F.

They're muddying the waters and they'll soon be howlin wolf!

Anonymous said...

Yates of the Yard should include Attorney General Lord Goldsmith's peerage in his investigation. Donations to New Labour rewarded with a peerage ?

barnacle_bill said...

Spot on Guido with your reading of this whole sordid incident.
I hope you have comment moderation switched on. Incase the blaggards try to use the blogsphere for their spoiling moves.
Now as it appears the home straight is in sight we should let the good Inspector have a clear unimpeded run at crossing the finishing line a winner.

Anonymous said...

Spot on Guido. The post-Hutton shit-scared state broadcaster would love to provide the defence with the "trial by media" ploy or even the "impossible to have a fair trial" ploy.
Keep it up. I never thought it would get this far and there is still the huge hurdle of the CPS plus Goldsmith but you never know.

Anonymous said...

Who would have thought it.
The final protector of our liberties : Yates of the Yard, now the most popular copper since Dixon of Dock Green.

Stinking Nappies said...

Brilliant Guido, and don't you think it was also brilliant that Yates put the Attorney General on the spot with the request gfor the injunction

Who would have thought that Tony's crony would be the one to tear up the 'Get Out of Jail Free' card?

Life is sweet

Euan Husami said...

So are you saying that it is the BBC that is trying to scupper the investigation (and therefore help Blair) by revealing information that the police would like to be kept quiet? Is the BBC in cahoots with Blair?

The BBC have just announced that the injunction concerned an e-mail. They said they can reveal that much because two Sunday papers have already revealed this.

when you are in a hole stop digging said...

I expect in due course the police will be investigating the alledged leak itself. That could lead to further charges of Attempting to Pevert/Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

Anonymous said...

It also seems as if Bliar has Murdoch onside - nothing of any interest in the Sunday Times and Sky aren't even referencing it...

Geezer said...

Sharp observation Mr Fawkes.

Makes you wonder what the BBC's role in this really is.

The Beeb know the laws around predjudicing a trial etc. Lots of lawyers and decades of news reporting should have told them that.

For the last year, the Beeb could be accused of under-reporting this scandal, even helping to bury it for their friends in NuLab, on occasion (on reflection, perhaps not a bad thing considering the "trial by media" get-out).

So why would they be prepared to report a leaked email now, especially as number 10 may have deliberatley leaked this?

I'm not accusing the Beeb of direct collusion to help scupper any possible trials, but it makes you wonder.

BOF2BS said...

It is a lovely concept and increases even further my respect for Yates et al.

Getting the chief legal officer of the Government in power to take out an injunction to halt a deliberate leak by that government.

OT on Radio 4 at 5.45am - don't ask there was a profile of Cohen which is worth relistening to mentioned Sith & possible contributions to it - don't know if this is old rumour.

Housekeeping - can't see any clickthrough email addresses for you Guido worth adding I think to encourage info.

Do agree Google are probably the best.......

no longer anonymous said...

Even if Blair manages to avoid being incriminated the Labour Party will be severely damaged by this corrupt behaviour - a fitting punishment for the party that has spat on our freedom.

All the astro-turfers should be hunted down and forced to justify their support for this regime.

Anonymous said...

Guido's scenario is remarkably plausible. One also has to wonder if the BBC (Pol.Ed. Nick Robinson) weren't desperate to publish it to prove their Pol.Ed wasn't a complete fool when he said this investigation was going nowhere? That would be a nice confluence of interests, if it had worked.. Nick gets some credibility back, Blairites get the investigation scuppered.

Well done, Yates of the Yard. Media savvy indeed.

Beachhutman said...

Glad you agree with my reading of the text, Guido. All those lessons are paying off!

I don't buy the "prejudicing the trial" angle though - most people including potential jurors I guess seem to simply accept as a fundamental value that TB and co are in it up to their necks; they have come to expect coverups and mendacity from the government whole gang.

Limpy said...

Lets here it for Commander Yates. This inquiry makes me feel proud of our policing system and officers who will do the right thing to seek out justice. The man and his team deserve all the support possible.
' Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war'

no longer anonymous said...

"It also seems as if Bliar has Murdoch onside - nothing of any interest in the Sunday Times and Sky aren't even referencing it..."

Murdoch had his uses in the 1980s but now he is one of The Enemy. If this whole affair results in a conviction/convictions then I think it would be fitting if someone pointed out that Murdoch & co tried to cover it up.

Why exactly is he so keen on the Labour Party?

BOF2BS said...

In the event of any prosecution taking place on this case Yates probably deserves to be honoured in some way!

Peter the Punter said...

Suddenly everybody is a Yates fan! His press on the blogsphere hasn't always been so favorable.

I've always been of the opinion that he has been investigating without fear or favour in very difficult circumstances. Glad everybody agrees with me now!

backwoodsman said...

well, thats the last time I invest two quid with murdoch. If he can't be bothered to report a massive nulab scandal in the ST, back to the torygraph

bt said...

Indeed.
Very suspicious,
The question that sprang immediately to mind was "Why leak to the beeb? Why not to a heavyweight broadsheet?"

Best guess - not only would there be the possibility that claims of 'trial by media' would resound around Westminster, but that the beeb is so far up NuLab's arse that in the interests of 'balanced reporting' the airwaves would then be flooded by lick-spittle quislings intent on spinning the evidence into triviality.

Don't allow the scum an opportunity to get off the hook.
Nail the bastards to the wall.
No mercy, no quarter, no parasan!

Birds Of A Feather said...

Channel 4 News last night:The political editor of the NEW Statesman!! was questioning Goldsmith's motives.It's so obviously a Labour leak that the carpet's stained red.What a country we now live in.I used to have a sympathetic laugh at Italy.I don't feel like laughing in this case.

Anonymous said...

Yates will be remembered in the same way Churchill, Darwin, Newton Thatcher are today. When the truth behind all this comes out the sheer scale of the fraud will become apparent. Government is so despised now that a Royal Comm/Inquiry must be carried out to expose the systemic failure.

My own thought is we should have a Truth & Recon commission. Sort out the conduct, procedures and standards that we want from government going forward. It would only work if it was on a 'non-party basis' not the 'cross-party basis' that will be suggested.

The Truth & Rec style provides immunity to those who come forward and expose the scams and weak points in government is the only credible route. The civil service, political parties, consultants, outside contractors and others involved are rewarded for honesty and can be prosecuted if they refuse to come clean once outed.

This could take two years to report and then the establishment that time to bury the "interests of national security' bodies before implementation. After implementation the new rules apply and off we go.

When I hear Jack Straw justifying HOL reform with "there are good example overseas that show how these two chambers can work together" you know we are in trouble.

Anonymous said...

All this 'the police don't want to tip off 'someone' about their line of questioning.' is complete bollox.

To imagine Tuner was question for a few hours and left the building with no idea what the police were getting at if farcical.

The police want charges laid and the press silenced pronto.

That even Bloggers, THE SCUM OF THE EARTH, are wary of what they say for fear of handing Tony a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD speaks volumes for the trouble Downing St are having.

One Nation at last.

mitch said...

Is this what happens when an irisistable force meets an imoveable object?.I wonder if bruun has any fingernails left.

CarlottaVance said...

Interesting comment on News 24 - may have been a slip of the tongue - but the correspondent said the email was within Number 10. Who might that have been between?

Anonymous said...

Funny how Guido can make allegations without any evidence - but if anyone make allegations about Guido without any evidence how he expects a different standard to be applied!

DanG said...

Questions to Guido: When this sorry government is swept away about what are you going to blog? Will interest in this type of blog fade away or can we expect the next shower in government to provide a rich harvest of topics?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 10:18...

"the News of the World web-site ... quotes a Crown Prosecution Service source who is reported to have said: “We believe the leaks are coming from government sources who are trying to disrupt the inquiry.”

See policital betting

Guido isn't making it all up, you know.

tonemcd said...

I agree with 'no longer anonymous' @ 9:23am. The best thing that can come out of this is the NuLabour party fatally wounded. It may have had a role to play in the past, but let's be honest, Socialism is a dead duck and it's about time to bury it. When the Chinese are leaving the communist party at the rate of up to 40,000/day http://quitccp.epochtimes.com/ why the hell do we need this carbuncle on humanitys arse anymore?

CarlottaVance said...

Interesting - Mail on Sunday is 'naming names' on the email - within Downing Street and presumably not a flight-risk to Israel.....

barnacle_bill said...

The good Inspector Yates will know that he has the thanks and support of every honest citizen in this country.
That will surely be an honour in it's self.
I also fully support a T&R commission into what NuLabor has done to the political integrity of this country.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...10:03 AM

"we should have a Truth & Recon commission."

Balls.

These people should be hunted down and put beyong the boundaries of the nation they have betrayed.

Border Reiver said...

Anonymous said...
Funny how Guido can make allegations without any evidence - but if anyone make allegations about Guido without any evidence how he expects a different standard to be applied!


Don't you kn oww the difference between speculation and allegations?

No I thought not

Border Reiver said...

Clearly I dont know the difference between know and kn oww!

Shotgun said...

I think many are labouring under a misconception on how criminal trilas and evidence works; if there is hard evidence, as opposed to circumstantial, there can be no prejudice by making it public because it is either evidence or it is not. I know it may be hard to find 12 jurors that have not been prejudiced, but that is a different matter.

Hard substantiated evidence is hard sunstantiated evidence and no public announcements of injunctions will change that. It's a bit like say Crimewatch would prejudice ongoing investigations, which is bollocks.

I think this evidence is still part of the ongoing investigation and the police for whatever reason, maybe becase there is now a fifth person or because someone very senior is to be arrested, wanted it kept quiet.

Anonymous said...

Just checked betfair - currently not offering a book on current members of parliament being up before the beak. Bugger.

let the punismment fit the crime said...

Truth & Recon commission?
Putting the lamposts to good effect?

No, it is fitting justice that the scum be tethered to every speed camera

Anonymous said...

Surely the revelation of any evidence is only relevent if it changes the views of the public? Unlike politicians most people are honest and law abiding and when told to jusge the case on the facts they will. The whole episode shows how out of touch the political elite really are.

I am not going to lie in court or as a jurur because A) its not right B) it breaks law c) I could go to prison

If you do not start from that premise it means that you prob have no idea what A) is about and dont have to worry about B)+C)

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Anonymous said...

A trial judge would take a very dim view of a defence counsel who claimed he couldn't run his court properly because the jury had been prejudiced by the media. However, if the aforementioned judge was minded to acquit for whatever reason (a peerage springs to mind) then he could use media prejudice as an excuse and direct the jury accordingly.

Finnieston Crane said...

"Those under investigation, now that they believe it no longer possible to "fix" the CPS because of the evidence known to have been discovered, have the most to benefit from bringing the evidence into the public domain."

What evidence?

mitch said...

A few weeks ago we were discussing whether Yates would find a way to release his evidence if the CPS decided not to prosecute. They would be saying: "look how clear the evidence is, how can there be no prosecutions?" Are we seeing that now?

It would be very easy for either No. 10 or the police to send a copy of the email in an untraceable brown envelope to a useful idiot like Robinson. Even he couldn't fail to make something of it.

Be careful of making Yates into a living God. Did we not say the same things about Hutton, Butler, Scott, etc? And look what they came up with in the end.

Anonymous said...

Whilst I am pleased Guido is getting praise for highlighting this story.
I believe I was the first person to raise the issue of Nulab being prevented from undermining the Police case.

"I have a theory.
Whatever this turns out to be,

Robinson, was leaked to by Number 10 something, possibly an Email.
So they could discredit the Police investigation, and accuse the police of leaking, so weaken any possible future prosecution.
The Police found out about it, and they then issued the injuction, thus hopefully cutting off one escape route out of a court case.
Discuss.
kf"

Sorry Guido for being so petty, but credit where credit is due.

Though as long as these bunch of scumbags end up in the clink I will be more than happy.

Or maybe we should have a good old fashion lynching!
kf

TARTAN ARMY said...

first we had an investigation on honours.
then we had an investigation on a cover up.
now we will have an investigation on a second layer attempt to pervert the course of justice.

THEY THINK THEY ARE SO GREAT AT DOWNING STREET....
....BUT FOLK WILL GO DOWN FOR THIS
.... TEFLON BLIAR MIGHT STILL BE ON HIS LECTURE TOUR WHILE THEY SHARE A CELL WITH BIG BUBA

James Gordon Brown said...

You may think what you like about this injunction. I could not possibly comment.

Trah lah!

A Gordon for me, a Gordon for me,
If ye're no a Gordon ye're no use to me.
The Black Watch are braw, the Seaforths and a'
But the cocky wee Gordon's the pride o' them a'.

Tra lah!

mitch said...

I doubt there'll be a custodial sentence. These are victimless crimes after all. Serious, yes, but still victimless.

Of course this latest email seems to relate to the original offence of selling honours rather than any cover-up.

William Wilberfarce said...

"I doubt there'll be a custodial sentence"

Tell that to Archer and Aitken.

kf

Check out my thoughts on why Hutton report may come back to haunt them.

http://wilberfarce.blogspot.com/

kf

2br02b said...

These are victimless crimes after all.

How do you make that out?

The entire British population has been deprived of competent and honest government.

How many "non-victims" have died in Iraq?

TARTAN ARMY said...

Back at top blog Guido
it all content and getting to the point that makes it so good

they'll be wild at downing street no doubt as will that sad wee mud slinging lib dem...ah what is his bloddy name????

Robinson-Bliar's poodle said...

If Tom Kelly (of no 10) and Nick have conspired to try to pervert the course of justice they should go to jail for a very long time.

Man in a shed said...

Don't buy the No 10 wot leaked it line - as they must know that a BBC journalist would check the story with them and the police to ask for comment first -as the BBC have to be so careful these days.

If No10 wanted to leak - it would already be out there to multiple sources - and they'd probably have phoned you first.

William Wilberfarce said...

I am not too fussed about jail sentences.

As long as they are shown to the whole world to be the lying, cheating, amoral, ruthless scumbags they really are.

WW
kf

Anonymous said...

U2 ? So they are the source of the leaks are they ? It makes sense now; subliminally insert the details of who mailed who into the song lyrics..

"I want to run, I want to hide,
I've got an email from Powell,
To Ruth Turner inside...
I need to seek shelter from the pain
In a jail where I'm a man with no name..."

no longer anonymous said...

"Funny how Guido can make allegations without any evidence - but if anyone make allegations about Guido without any evidence how he expects a different standard to be applied!"

Oh dear, we are getting desperate aren't we?

All we need now is for the Smith Institute affair to blow up in Brown's face and we'll have a really happy March.

Anonymous said...

robinson -bliar's poodle - It may be a lovely thought, but Nick could make a strong argument that he is far too thick to have realised he was being used as a pawn to dupe the public...

No jury would convict etc. etc.

I tell you, Guido, this makes up for not having any rugby on this weekend - perhaps you should move to a pay-per-click business model ?

William Wilberfarce said...

'Man in a shed' check todays papers, it's every where.

And when it comes to Number 10 and leaking, if there is even the slightest doubt, assume they are guilty till proven other wise.

If you do, you will be right more often than you are wrong,

WW
kf

mitch said...

Yes the BBC would check with both No. 10 and the police, and so prompt the police to ask for an injunction. BUT - there's always the chance the email will get out anyway thereby achieving the leakers aim.

junglecitizen said...

A very well argued and thought-provoking post - but I'm still not sure about this. If it was a leak from 10 Downing Street, surely Goldsmith would normally be er... 'minded' not to give the injunction? After all, if he hadn't granted it, no-one would ever have known of the request.

Something tells me tensions within the Labour Party could be behind this.

If Guido's right, though, Lord Goldsmith perhaps is not as loyal to the Blairite camp these days as we've come to expect him to be after the Saudi weapons scandal... which can only be good news, I suppose.

Madasafish said...

This whole argument is - imo - total nonsense.

IF Downing STreet leakeded the news.. and it could be proved they did - or it was even likely they did, any plea that a fair trail would be prejudiced should by thrown out by a judge on the grounds the defence leaked it .. so it's THEIR problem, they caused it .. so plea dismissed.

if I can work that out, so could even Lord Hutton:-)

mitch said...

As shotgun above says, evidence is evidence. If there's a photo of you breaking a window it doesn't matter if everyone see's it and forms their own opinion; you still need to explain what you were doing.

The injunction was more to protect future interviews than to prevent prejudicing a prosecution.

ex Yard 'tec said...

magpie said...

The News of the World agrees with you - if that's of any help?

And one of the authors of that article is married to a Yard 'tec.

bhownaggree said...

For the politically illiterate, John Kampfner is no friend of Mr. Blair, as was stated earlier on this blog. He's a 9/11 conspiracist, friend of Hizbollah, nut-case.

As for the 'email', if it does come from No. 10, why would it not be leaked to Murdoch rather than the BBC? If the conspiracists on this board are correct, Murdoch is closer to New Labour than the BBC is...

Oh, and surely is Guido is right (which again I doubt he is - how long does this have to play before you get tired Guido?) the email would be leaked to say, a blog, who would disseminate it far quicker and would be less interested in lawyers, etc, thus ruining part of the case. But again, this doesn't fit.

I just can't wait for Yates to move on to the Tories - I smell blood.

BOF2BS said...

If BJ or a colleague is around could they comment on whether the timing of the leak was aimed specifically at the Sunday's - just a thought.

2BrO2b - shouldn't communicate often as very confusing!

100% agree with your comment and might even extend it to the UK! It also effects multiple generations.

William Wilberfarce said...

The voting public will view Blair in the same way that a girl who dated a Cad or a Fool looks back and thinks, 'what in gods name did I ever see in him'

'Get off the new road if you can't lend a hand, the times they are a changing'

Though it is always worth remembering, 'Nothing is inevitible until it happens'!

Expect the unexpected, I think we may be in for a few surprises over the next few weeks.

W.W.

kf

http://wilberfarce.blogspot.com/2007/03/new-dawn.html

Tuscan Tony said...

bhownaggree - 12:59pm. Having read your comments over the past few months now, clearly you are not stupid. I'd be interested to see what price betfair would give me on you recanting your love of Nulab and Mr G Brown within, say, the next 120 days. Loyalty is commendable and often impressive. Ignoring a seismic shift however does not befit you.

backwoodsman said...

bhownaggree is an utter pillock.

Marquee Mark said...

bhownaggree

I just can't wait for Yates to move on to the Tories - I smell blood.

Problem is you see, NuLabour apologist, Yates is now dealing with a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. IF (big IF) one of those attaches to the Tories, maybe there will be some equivalence. But for now, it is NuLabour who are visiting World Of Pain. All on their own...

Oh, and that blood you smell? Your own - from that punch in the face the electorate is going to give you...

no longer anonymous said...

"I just can't wait for Yates to move on to the Tories - I smell blood."

Don't suppose you're prepared to admit that the Labour Party have cocked up and that they deserve a severe kick up the backside? Or are you one of these strange people who can't criticise their own side?

Anonymous said...

Brownagree

ill get the hight court judge who agreed that it might affect the police investigation and imposed the injunction to giove you a call.

The future direction of democracy hangs on what path certain individuals take over the next few weeks. As a member of the public I urge them all to do the right thing, not what suits them in the short term

William Wilberfarce said...

Brownagree,

Your comments are actually very enlightening.

They show the extent NuLab is living in it's own Fairy land.

Completely deluded!

Watch the next episode of Question Time. Every time one of your drones starts spouting your propaganda they are shouted down, or worse riduculed.

I think you should try and break out, and join with the Western Forces to fight to victory against the Soviets!

Sorry wrong bunker

Julian said...

Was there a time limit on the injunction at all? Just wondered since Radio 4 seems to be reporting on it now in their hourly news.

Curly said...

I guess this illustrates the problems of Nulab very nicely!

Trumpeter Lanfried said...

I can't recall a single case in which the proceedings have been stayed because the conduct of the media made it impossible for the defendant to have a fair trial. The point may have been argued, but I am not sure it has ever succeeded.

What has happened, is that offending news editors have got a tremendous bollocking, fines, etc. from the court, but that's a different matter.

Anyway, the problem in the present case seems to have been that the investigation, rather than the trial, might be prejudiced. In other words, having further interviews yet to conduct, Yates & Co did not want the suspects prematurely alerted to the evidence against them.

Anonymous said...

anon 12.17

Is being 'too thick' a valid legal defence ?

johnfromcamberley said...

Did anyone hear Robinson on the Today prog Saturday morning? As far as I recall, he said he was the one who tipped-off Downing St that the BBC had the email and were about to use it. (He constructed a "good journalism requires nothing less" argument to justify what he had done.)

Here's my bit of the thesis. Robinson gets his Downing St info from the PMOS. In turn, it was the PMOS that Robinson alerted, and the injunction was initiated in the first instance by the PMOS. Accordingly, if there was a conspiracy in Downing St to help Bliar via leaking the email, it came from a faction that didn't include the PMOS. Interestingly, that faction clearly also doesn't include Goldsmith, who otherwise would have done nothing - Masterly Inactivity!

It suits me, probably all of us, to observe that No 10 is breaking up into factions who don't talk to each other. I take this as evidence that the ship is going down....

By the way, don't overestimate Murdoch's sophistication in all of this. He makes money by having people pick up his newspapers or switch on Sky News. To do that, he needs... news! I think he has dirt on Gordon Brown, which makes copy, which makes money, and it suits him to see GB in power in due course, so that he can make a ghastly train-wreck of the job. It also suits him to see Bliar in trouble. There is now good news left for TB, and so our Tone going down in flames is all that can happen now. More dirt=copy=news=money.

mitch said...

No, Robinson is more dupe than conspirator. He received the email in good faith. MAYBE he doesn't know his ultimate source.

But why would No. 10 go through the BBC to tell other suspects what was in the email? Why not just tell them directly? Doesn't make sense.

Anonymous said...

If you received the email, why not just publish it? How did the AG/police/no 10 know it had been leaked and was about to be published? You have to believe that BBC is aware of the law on this subject and so knew it may be restricted and that the emails details would likely leak via competing media.

It didnt come, given the injunction, from the police did it?

It is worth noting that not one memeber of the public has changed their view as a result of this episode. We want the truth, nothing more.

mitch said...

Robinson said before he ran the story he went to No. 10 and the police for a comment. That's fine; it's normal journalistic practice and only fair.

The police didn't want the BBC to publish so sought the injunction.

Maybe No. 10 did want to publish the email for their own purposes, but the police sought the injunction partly to prevent suspects being forwarned. If so, why didn't No. 10 just give the email to them?

Anonymous said...

I don't think any sane rational person can understand what is going on here now.
The spin masters seem to be deluded now by their own spin. Living in a world cut off from reality.
A classic case of CJD-NuLaborism.
Hopefully DeFRA will organise a cull to put them out of their misery, and before they infect anymore members of the public.

Anonymous said...

And you all thought Pinocchio was fibbing when he said 'I will serve a full term'. With no time off for good behaviour, perhaps he will !

Anonymous said...

For suspects to be forewarned - the people who wrote the email know what was in it, so BBC publishing it wouldn't give them any more information.

But for a 3rd party someone who was mentioned in the email, might not know the detail of the contents and could be used to incriminate the 3rd party

e.g. ML writes to RT saying TB is 'onside' for some nefarious activity.

You might not want it coming out too early as TB's previous story could be questioned (at least we hope so!) by DAC Yates (under caution)

PS where is TB this weekend?

smell of mortality said...

Bow and Agree, thanks for thrilling us with your acumen *cough* I however suspect Blair will be feeling the hand and long arm of history on his shoulder again soon....

political illiterate Bow and Agree said...

Bow and Agree "Oh, and surely is Guido is right ".

Can you explain what you mean by this? Sentence is a little mangled. Ta!

Northumberland said...

The times are wild for New Labour:

"contention, like a horse Full of high feeling , madly hath broke loose, And bears down all before him."

Couldn't happen to nicer people could it?

Anonymous said...

northumberland, nice quote, source ?

Limpy said...

Just done a bottle of rather nice wine and feeling mellow. As quoted previously 'The times they are a changing'

Nothumberland said...

anon 3:41

Source Henry IV 1.1.9 -11, Northumberland to Lord Bardolph , Shakespeare

Limpy said...

More recent.

Sure there are dishonest men in local government. But there are dishonest men in national government too.

Richard Milhous Nixon

Trumpeter Lanfried said...

I am glad to see the tone of this site is being raised a little, with quotations from Shakespeare, etc. A welcome change from the usual bo***cking ars****es sort of dialogue.

verity said...

Trumpeter Lanfried- Yes. And a damn' fine quote it was too!

Limpy said...

Well, lets lower the tone.

“Give me half hour with her I’d be up to me nuts in guts.”

Finchy, Chris Finch. The Office.

Voyager said...

Guido is right. At no stage has the BBC led on the Cash for Peerages issue...until now....funny that.

Anonymous said...

2 soldiers died in Afghanistan yesterday and still not one politician has accepted responsibility. Now that really is criminal

Lots of arse covering and spin going on while we cannot accept the reality and futility of the two conflicts.

Is society really so corrupted that we will let soldiers die rather than make our politicians accountable?

it is clear that the war in Iraq has little or no public support, it is clear that the cabinet never believed in it anyway and it is clear from current domestic events not one politician has a scrap of integrity, decency or responsibility.

You tell me how it is 'responsible' for our troops to remain at risk when the only two people who support the Iraq war are Blair and Cameron.

Observer said...

Trumpeter Lanfried said...

I can't recall a single case in which the proceedings have been stayed because the conduct of the media made it impossible for the defendant to have a fair trial.


Then I suggest you go back and review a case I think in Hull which was dismissed because of the antics of the News of the World or the Mirror or both..........

It was a serious criminal offence and the judge dismissed the case since press coverage had been prejudicial and suggested surcharging the papers for the court costs - it may have related to two footballers

Observer said...

Trumpeter Lanfried please note:

HULL, England -- Two Leeds United footballers charged with attacking a student will have to face a retrial, a judge has ruled.

The decision was made on Tuesday, a day after an eight-week trial collapsed following the publication of an article in a Sunday newspaper.

The new trial will be held in Hull starting on October 8.

On Monday, the judge at Hull Crown Court, Mr Justice Poole, said a story in the national Sunday Mirror newspaper had created so serious a risk of prejudice to the trial that it was impossible to continue.

He then dismissed the 11-strong jury on what was the fourth day of its deliberations.

England international Jonathan Woodgate, former England Under-21 captain Lee Bowyer, and two friends, Neale Caveney and Paul Clifford, are charged with grievous bodily harm and affray following an attack on Sarfraz Najeib.

All the men have pleaded not guilty to all charges.

The jury was discharged after deliberating for more than 21 hours over three days in a trial which had cost £8 million ($11.5 million).


Year = 2001

gordon Brown's Increasingly Sweaty Palms said...

Look folks, there's a long way to go before anyone ends up taking a sabatical at her Majesty's pleasure.

Don't forget what happened during the Hutton enquiry. Anyone listening to the evidence presented who subsequently read the final report and conclusions would have been forgiven for thinking they had somehow slipped into a parallel universe.

There is so much riding on the ermine for vermine enquiry that the champers should be kept on ice for a bit because I suspect Bliar will not want the stench of corruption to sully his departure from office and hamper his mega buck earning power on the US speaker circuit.

Anonymous said...

TB could be banged up for mass murder (perhaps he will be) and he'd still get into the USA. Nothing he can do will hamper this. Remember he's a winner of the congressional medal of honor, kinda like the ultimate green card.

javelin said...

The idea that a leak from the Beeb will get the PM off a jail term shows either that you are completely wrong or Downing Street is completely desperate. I suspect the latter.

You also imply that the Beeb is complicit with No 10.

With Cameron on the way in, and talk of BBC privatisation amongst Tories and investment bankers (traders are starting to assess the net worth of the Beeb) I suspect that the Beeb is also complict in supporting the Labour Party end game.

Madasafish said...

>Observer
Well your post confirms my view that UK law is now totally out of date.
Why?
Cos the logic goes one trial was compromised cos the jurors read something.. I assume.

Well who is to say future jurors will not read something and forget / or lie about it.

Frankly we live in an information age... and to suggest that news about a case prejudices the jury so much a trial has to be stopped is like saying we need more judges like Lord Hutton.

If the UK is right with its views on this subject, it should be telling the US no UK subject could ever get a fair trial due to US reporting.. and prevent all extradition to the US...

Anonymous said...

Observer

Why do you think the paper allowed the father of the victim to say all that stuff during the trial?

The father gave his 'opinion' that those accused were guilty, absolutely certain. So the GUILTY splashed all over the paper could concievably influenced the case as he offered no evidence to support his claim and nor did the paper printing the story.

Rich footballers, one who actually turned queens evidence i vaguely remember, a daily newspaper and the father of some innocent kids who were beaten up by the accused.

Who got played?

wasnt the original trial moved for reasons of jury impartiality??

For your argument to hold why isnt the same paper out doing the very same thing today?

Anonymous said...

http://www.orangebyname.co.uk

verity said...

Anonymous 4:39 - Rubbish. You cannot get a visa for the United States if you have a criminal record.

That they awarded him the Congressional Medal of Honor under the mistaken impression that Blair understands the word "honour" is irrelevant. BTW, he hasn't even ever picked it up.

Anonymous said...

Verity 5:02pm

Not true - yes normal people can't get a visa but in special cases you can it has to be approved by the secretary of state. Gerry Adams got one several times even though he was associated with a proscribed terrorist organization.

TB apparently can't decide on a design for his medal, I'm sure Guido's readers could, my suggestion is the letters 'FIDO' are inscribed on both sides

Anonymous said...

I would say that we concentrate on the behaviour of those complicit in the destruction of democracy in this country which currently includes all 3 parliamentary party members.

After the collapse of parliaments reputation, of voter turnout and of countless breaches of domestic and international law that have gone through the HOC why are all 3 committed to an elected HOL?

Its undemocratic apparently to have an appointed u