Papists 1, Johnson 0
Alan Johnson has dropped plans to make Roman Catholic schools take a quarter of their intake from the hell-bound. Johnson disingenuously claims that after getting the Catholic hierarchy to make the change "voluntarily" he no longer needed to use legislation. By "voluntary" Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor means after hell freezes over.Only nine days until the country celebrates with fireworks an attempt by a Catholic freedom fighter to destroy anti-Catholic politicians. Guido will be toasting this victory over the Godless socialists this afternoon - "Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam".
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Didn't Lord Baker withdraw an ammendment in the Lords on the promise of the govt advancing one in the Commons? Such behaviour is surely unparliamentary - i.e. lying.
well guido, good to see your supporting an organisation which consistently protects peadophiles, helped undermine contraception and aids fighting campaigns in africa and is led by an ex hitler youth ubergrapenfuhrer.
which way to freedom?
Anon@10.17 - piss off you joyless heretic.
Rejoice! Rejoice! Church no longer in danger shock. The boy Vincent Nicholls done good. Definitely One To Watch for the future (more likely to be heading upwards than Johnson). The godless Bolsheviks take another punch on the nose. We will all now sing "Faith Of Our Fathers".
More boringly:
This is a fairly major flagship policy sunk in about a week. How does this affect the various betting markets?
Even the Lord Protector would be rejoicing with you (and us).
an organisation which consistently protects peadophiles, helped undermine contraception and aids fighting campaigns
I thought the catholic church had quite a good contraception fighting campaign. I'm not sure whether their position on foot fetishism is particularly relevant though...
Church no longer in danger?
*stares into empty churches*
If you say so.
Looking at those two photos who would you most trust to give one your children a bath?
here's a clue its not the one dressed up in silly clothes
...led by an ex hitler youth ubergrapenfuhrer.
Never mind Pope Benedict's enforced membership of Hitler's boy scouts, far more questionable is his time in the paramilitary Österreichische Legion (Austrian legion).
Anonymong 10:17 - Membership of the Hitler Youth was compulsory. It's not an organisation he chose to join. Also at age 14 I think it rather unlikely he'd have made the rank of Obergruppenfuhrer which is equivalent to an army general.
http://thedaily.wordpress.com/2006/10/22/johnson-read-my-lips-no-less-selection/
I was at a Labour Students event last week where Johnson said that he was against faith schools and selection but wouldn't be doing anything about it as it would lose the Labour party votes and would be seen as attack on releigion and muslims. Click on the link for the full story.
Opus Dei will be pleased; Ruthie might get a good flogging in celebration.
Speaking of religion, why have members of the Jewish community taken to wearing black plastic boxes on their heads? Is it some sort of penance?
You can bet any money that Johnson isn't going to be at the centre of a controversy. He's looking at the main chance, and that's sod all to do with integration - or lack of - in faith schools. Shame really, I was looking forward to the mass civil unrest emanating from all the loopy extremists. We could maybe have revived Tyburn, although a spell in the Tower followed by hanging, drawing and quartering is probably too good for this NuLab apparatchik.
L.D.S.
(as we used to sign off, Guido!)
P.S. - Penfold - she might just like that.
P.P.S. - Desperate Dan - it's their brain box.
Religion in schools... how about teaching the little buggers to read, write and add-up properly before filling their brains with the primitive superstition of your choice?
Yet again the One True Church puts The Church of England to shame. Without The Roman Catholic Church this country would cease to be a Christian one.
Read your Bible:- There's no such thing as a christian country.
It would appear we have entered the "Headless Chicken" stage of this NuLabor terminally ill government.
We have bold, sometimes sensible, but mostly just headline grabbing policy statements one day.
Only to find out in the small print the following day -
1 They didn't really mean what we thought they ment.
2 There is no definate dateline for implementation.
3 Nor is there any actual extra money allocated for these policies.
4 It's another smoke & mirror act. But what the NuLabor twats have not cottoned onto is that the winds of change are blowing the smoke away, and we can see how empty their cupboard is.
The sooner this lot are put out of their misery the happier I will be.
As for the latest expense claims, three words - pigs, snouts, troughs.
(Wrong archbish, Guido - the hero of the hour is V Nichols, PBUH.) This is only a temporary pause in attacks on those dangerous hotbeds of seditious prejudice, Christian schools. Next move: "Withdraw state funding from faith schools". You read it here first.
Papists make me want to puke. Leave them kids alone. And also take your hands out of their underwear.
Johnson will get his revenge when he forces the Bish to rent out his publicly funded school hall to homosexuals and other sinners.
God there are some very purile remarks above, just stick to the politics and glorify in the fact that another NuLab policy made on the hoof has come tumbling down for all to see.....
This 25% was always just nulabour spin to appease those of us with grave concerns about "faith schools". Do they really think that, say, jewish parents are going to choose to send their child to an islamic school?
This ALSO means we shall have madrasas for the spawn of Islamic colonists that only teach bomb-making in Arabic and the "perfect" life of their paedophile cult leader.
Preacher, leave those kids alone.
The moral of the story if you happen to have the misfortune of being Harriet Harman, is Careful what you wish for...
We clearly *do* have a female Deputy Prime Minister already, only it isn't her, its Opus-Dei member Ruth Kelly calling the shots.
Policies are now evidently screened for whether they are biased sufficiently in favour of the catholic church, with the relevent SofS forced to abolish or alter them if not.
jewish parents are going to choose to send their child to an islamic school?
They could go to C of E Primaries like St Phillips, Girlington or St Barnabas, Heaton where they would need to expel Muslims to create 25% places for Angicans, Catholics, Jews or Hindus
I don't think people know just how Muslim C of E Schools are in towns like Bradford or Dewsbury (where the niqab helps pupils communicate with Ms Azmi in Urdu)
There is only one solution to this mess and that is to declare all state-funded schools non-religious. If Catholics, Muslims, Jews or Hindus want to run schools that promote their own faith they should do so at their own expense. State education should be secular, integrated and non-discriminatory.
Desperate Dan 11:01 - I think you may mean tefillin "also called phylacteries, ... either of two boxes containing Biblical verses and black, leather straps attached to them which are used in rabbinic Jewish prayer. They are an essential part of morning prayer services, and are worn on a daily basis (except the Sabbath and festivals) by many Jews." Wikipedia explains it so much more consisely than I would.
Were the BBC not breaking their guidelines on impartiality when they allowed Kirsty Wark to lead on this subject on Newsnight last night?
Her opposition has been a matter of reportage:
Among those opposed to Catholic schools are ... the broadcaster Kirsty Wark who has urged head teachers to question the separate funding of Scotland’s 412 state Catholic schools.
Annoymous 12.36. You should look at the background to the 1870 Education Act (the foundation of state education). They couldn't do it then, and they can't now, thank the Lord.
State education should be secular, integrated and non-discriminatory.
but Muslims are NOT secular and refuse to be...........so any school with Muslims will refuse pork, demand halal meat, and insist on Imams having access
The whole issue relates to Islam and i bet Saudi Arabia is ready to fund Islamic Schools outside the State Sector teaching Koranic Studies.
This problem started because the Govt wanted to bring private Muslim Schools within THe State Sector to control the curriculum
State education should be secular, integrated and non-discriminatory.
so as to continue its role in produing the splendid and harmonious society we live in today with a highly numerate and literate population
LOL
State education should be secular, integrated and non-discriminatory.
Just like it was in Yugoslavia for 40 years...
...and they all lived happily ever after.
always amazing to see the strain of anti catholic sentiment that emerges every time the universal church is in the news.
They are just jealous you know.........
Nice to know that Cardinal Paddy O'Thick has taken a day off covering up for all the kiddie shaggers in the church to do this. We all should give him a vote of thanks
Rumour has it the Bulgarians and Rumanians lost out on unrestricted entry as there wasn't the same potential for boosting congregations as with the last entrants to the EU
Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep.
What's that sound? It's Alan Johnson going into reverse again.
(cf. public sector pensions debacle)
Not anti-Catholic so much as anti-superstitious idol-worshipping retards who want to touch up our children.
How sad are you when you've been PWNED by a bloke in a red dress?
isnt t blur going to be catholic like cherie they will send leo to a catholic school and they wont want any unbelivers there.
I thought Cameron played a blinder with this one. He made a refernece to it in his conference speech, [though sugegsted it was on a voluntary basis].
As with every other policy that was anounced by the Tories at conference, Labour were quick to copy, and Johnson's tough version ran straight into problems that should be apparent to anyone, resulting in an embarasing U-Turn
Wonderful news. It means that my darling little boy won't miss out on his school place because it's been taken up by someone not of the One True Faith. Keep the Schismatics and heretics out.
God Bless Lord Baker and his re-tabled amendment - fight the faith!
http://fight-the-faith.blogspot.com/
first they came for the rural folks and I said nothing,
then they came for the motorists and I said nothing,
then they came for the catholics, and all hell broke loose.
christopher Hitchens (looking a bit unhappy) called belief in god as a belief in the supernatural.
on newsnight last night.
does this blog promote a belief in the supernatural?
It is amazing, as Einstein is said to have commented, it is easier to break an atom than a prejudices, particularly in jolly perverted Britain.
Tom the Talk.
Good people will do good
Bad people will do bad
But there is no better way
to get good people to do bad
than give 'em religion
this country has gone to the dogs.
It looks like the fuhrer will have to come and run these RE classes himself.
Goose stepping prohibited - well at least til he's left the room.
At least the left-footers are putting up a fight which is more than I can say for the rest of Christianity.
It almost makes me consider conversion, except for the family tradition of donning bowler hats and banging big drums in Catholic front gardens.
Now this has passed, His Grace will un-bite his lip, and simply remind Guido's papist admirers that religious liberty exists in this country because of the established Church of England, and it is worth considering that the multi-cultural, pro-EU, anti-American, pro-gay milieu that has come to domintate the BBC (by their own admission) has all occurred since the papists have been in charge of it.
The Catholic Church in the UK has immense power. It infiltrates politics at the highest levels, approves parliamentary candidates, and then makes the parties dance to its tune.
Meddlesome priests. The latest example is from Cardinal O'Brien calling for Scotland to secede from the Union - a request made on the eve of the non-existent tercentennial celebrations. Watch this space...
Johnson should leave his post now... to look for his spine!
A note for David Cameron.
Following the comments above no Christian or Jew in this country should offer support to the Conservative Party.
I will not be doing so and I will be canvassing others not to offer support in consequence of the postings above.
The Papists have made common cause with the Muslims on this issue because they believe they can win the argument. Problem is, the argument will be won by sheer wight of numbers rather than by theological persuasion. Don't just look at how things are, look where they're going.
Re DISGUSTED FORMER CONSERVATIVE.
He's right dave boy in one swift swoop you may have fulfilled one of your objectives.
A Party of 100% homosexuals including Iain Fail and yourself.
Catholics know it's vital to keep johnsons under control.
I for one fully support Johnson's decision to allow schools to pick pupils based on whether their parents pretend to believe in the same imaginary friend in the sky as they do. After all, y'know, choice in education is important, right?
It was a silly idea, it was never going to work, reality has clicked in and common sense has now prevailed. The real loser is Johnson for becoming the proponent of this soppy nonsense in the first place. He does know better, so what's really going on?
What's really going on is that it dawned on the Dear Leader that his enthusiasm for new faith schools (read Islamic schools) may have socially divisive consequences. The obvious solution was to water-down the concept of faith schools by letting in unreligious Middle England, usually so keen to get its offspring educated in a religious environment. Then suddenly everyone starts getting picky. The religious don't recognise that the public funding carries any obligation to educate the children of the general public. The unreligious don't recognise the equality of all religions in the light of disbelief and seem less keen on using some faith schools than others. Facing the possibility that there may be a flaw in this otherwise brilliant wheeze to combat Islamic separatism Mr Johnson has sat down with the leader of the, er, Catholics, and neatly sorted the whole thing out. End of story.
Cranmer ... "religious liberty exists in this country because of the established Church of England"
Absolute pish Cranmer and you know it.
The established churches were always at it in trying to exclude other faiths from having equal rights. Look at the established Anglican Church of Ireland for example.
It was pressure from the non-established reformed churches (Methodist in England and Wales and the majority of Presbyterians in Scotland) that opened the way to religious tolerance.
Cranmer said "religious liberty exists in this country because of the established Church of England"
Thomas, dear chap, the sharp pain in my neck reminds me that the C of E wasn't all that liberal at it's birth...
nor indeed for several hundred years after, when it was a capital offence to be a Catholic priest in England.
I appreciate that 'religous tolerance' didn't work so well for you either, but please don't rewrite history.
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - (Diderot)
One would not call for the excesses of the French revolution, but could the churches pay full tax? Tax on their properties? Tax on all monies collected?
No more public funding for any religious disseminations, whether christian, jewish, or muslim.
Surely the real scandal here is the unelected Catholic-in-power-behind-the-throne. ie. Cherie? That's where the power to change govt policy seems to lie.
It seems to me that anti-Roman Catholicism is the one form of discrimination and prejudice that is accepted and promoted at the current time.
Care? Shut up, go away and get back to worshipping icons.
"No more public funding for any religious disseminations, whether christian, jewish, or muslim."
Why should those of a religious persuasion have their money spent on secular disseminations?
In this thread we see yet again the typical controlling instincts of the left: "This is what schools shall teach, this is who they should let in, WE KNOW BEST". And they claim to be lovers of freedom.
Anyone hear Lord Baker on Today this week? He was so pissed off - I was so fucking happy hearing him so pissed off. The creme de la creme was Johnson doing a u-turn.
Who would have thought that the Church of Guido could weald so much influence?
They can take their 25 per cent and stick it where the sun doesnt shine.
"The Papists have made common cause with the Muslims on this issue because they believe they can win the argument."
what planet have you been on the past 6 months?
Catholic common cause with the Islamists?
You are taking the piss arent you?
Couldn't we just have.... well...schools where kids go to and learn to get on with one another?
Oh, sorry, silly, naive me.
Minekiller,
We do, they're called Catholic schools.
I don't know, all that dangerous stuff about loving your enemy, non-judgementalism, and doing good to all those that persecute you? Where will it all end? Yes, those are exactly the schools you should be banning or removing funding from. Of course. Silly me.
Can I remind the more ignorantly prejudiced anti-Catholic commentators here that Catholics do not worship icons, and we are not superstitious but by virtue of our philosophy and theology quite the opposite (and if you can't understand the difference between superstition and religion, you simply aren't educated enough on the subject to comment).
Moreover, the *vast* majority of Catholic Priests are normal guys - in America, there are 490,000 Priests, 1,000 of which have been accused, and only 150 odd have been found guilty - less than 0.1% of the entirely Priestly U.S. population - oh yes, they're definitely the ones to look out for.
Unlike your parents or your teachers, which never molest anyone, of course.
Oh, and a minority of Catholics here might want to not call people heretics. It's rude and judgemental, and therefore hypocritical.
Grace and Peace be with you,
The Cavalier
And may secular peace be upon thee.
Mr Williams.
According to "The american catholic", (link above)...WASHINGTON (CNS) -- About 4 percent of U.S. priests ministering from 1950 to 2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according to the first comprehensive national study of the issue.
The study said that 4,392 clergymen—almost all priests—were accused of abusing 10,667 people, with 75 percent of the incidents taking place between 1960 and 1984.
During the same time frame there were 109,694 priests, it said.
Sex-abuse related costs totaled $573 million, with $219 million covered by insurance companies, said the study done by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.
Taking the peace ?
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