Labour Whips Bring Out the Thumbscrews
The Labour whips are looking stressed this morning. Can the anti-War Labour left muster the 40ish rebels they need to defeat the government. In the past the whips have managed to cajole the semi-awkward squad into abstentions by playing on their unwillingness to vote with the Tories. The Tories have put forward their own amendment which will fail and they will then fall in behind the SNP/Plaid Cymru motion. Strangely there is some concern that the LibDems might not back the motion for some slippery reason.
The government is spinning that to vote for democratic oversight of the Iraq decision-making process would undermine the brave boys fighting for democracy in Iraq. So democracy undermines the fight for democracy? Well Guido reckons that they would like to know why they are providing target practice for sectarian insurgents before they start the civil war that they clearly are keen on commencing. "Ours is not to reason why, ours is to do or die" is not as popular a mantra as it was...
The government is spinning that to vote for democratic oversight of the Iraq decision-making process would undermine the brave boys fighting for democracy in Iraq. So democracy undermines the fight for democracy? Well Guido reckons that they would like to know why they are providing target practice for sectarian insurgents before they start the civil war that they clearly are keen on commencing. "Ours is not to reason why, ours is to do or die" is not as popular a mantra as it was...
If these Labour rebels back the motion, which is based on EDM 1088 which they backed before, the government will probably be defeated.Diane Abbott, John Austin, Lyn Brown, Ronnie Campbell, Martin Caton, Colin Challen, Michael Clapham, Harry Cohen, Jeremy Cohen, Jim Cousins, Ann Cryer, Jim Devine, Bill Etherington, Mark Fisher, Paul Flynn, Neil Gerrard, Ian Gibson, Kate Hoey, Kelvin Hopkins, Glenda Jackson, Lynne Jones, Peter Kilfoyle, Bob Marshall-Andrews, John McDonnell, Jim McGovern, Austin Mitchell, Linda Riordan, Alan Simpson, Peter Soulsby, Gavin Strang, Jon Trickett, Robert N Wareing, Mike Wood and Claire Short!
62 comments:
It was my understanding that the Tory amendment called for an enquiry after our brave boys get back, so the "undermining" argument falls apart. Hey, just think: when we've finally got rid of the bastard, we (the right and the anti-nu-labour left) can get back to hating each other.
It all depends what Brown wants. I think he's now prepared to wait for a months so maybe he'll allow Blair to win.
Of course, if Blair does win then he bolsters his position: "I can still win key votes" - not good for the Conservatives.
The Tories called for a Franks-style inquiry way-back when Howard first became leader, so it's no kind of departure.
With a list of likely rebels like that, it could go either way!*
*For the assistance of any Americans reading this, it's called irony.
Miaow, maiow, mioaw
Bob Laxton is the Labour MP for Derby North
Mark Todd is the Labour MP for South Derbyshire (who replaced the lovely Edwina Currie)
Both are hard-working, loyal Labour MPs, but both must realize that they are likely to lose their seats at the next Election
This likelihood will increase the longer Cruella de Blair's husband insists on staying on as Prime Minister
It may be immensely satisfying to Swiss Tony that he is increasing his Pension entitlement while spoiling Gordon's chances of ever making it to No 10
However, the Working Families' friends Mark & Bob would be well-advised to be making alternative career plans
G a Chat
Thumbscrews? How quaint! I thought modern day torturers use waterboarding these days.
So Guido you are now admitting Ken Clarke was right all along?
It would be nice to have someone to vote for in a mainstream party who is a patriot and not a raving nazis or UKIP nutter, who will put our country's interests before that of America or their own greed.
Any suggestions?
I'll drink to Tony losing the vote tonight.
Today MPs are to be scrutinised on how they vote like no other day.
Many of the electorate will today make up their mind how they vote at the next election.
Open and shut case.
1088 backsliders beware.
"Hey, just think: when we've finally got rid of the bastard, we (the right and the anti-nu-labour left) can get back to hating each other."
YAY!:D
Maybe NuLab think they can get away with it. Cameron need to commit to having a full enquiry under a future Tory govermment. If Bliar still holds out against, exactly what is he hiding? Loads........!
The toadying Tories want to kick the debate into the long grass because they have probably done some kind of back door deal, which means that Tony can pretend to go out smelling sweeter than sweet and Gordon can deal with the poop. Business as usual then.
Just as Tony was driven to respond by the opposition's policies, along came Iraq!
Diane Abbot will vote with the Govt.....those school fees you know
see Alex Salmond MP on the war issue on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vAdK7eYLBo
I love the Labour excuse
'Downing Street has warned of "very real consequences" for British troops in Iraq if MPs defeat the government over calls for an inquiry into the war.'
As if any Iraqi insurgants give a monkeys about a vote in the House of Commons...
Who will Saddam and his dwindling bunch of democracy hating terrorists be rooting for tonight?
The Government, or the Tories?
Gary
The democracy hating government? The Baathists are socialists after all.
Guido - I am suprised you havent asked the question of the mail on sunday hacks who ran through Ben Bradshaws rubbish to see what was recyclable or nor and discovered a pack of rizlas.
Were they king size?
I think we should be told...
The Tories.
Doom.
No surprises that the thumb screws and ritual threats of flogging around the house have been used to defeat this EDM. On the cards from day 1.
Perhaps the fragrant Short can muster some backbone in those spinless backbenchers from Nu-Lab.
So, by Downing St's logic, it doesn't matter if what you are doing is counterproductive. Just so long as you have the 'resolve', for which read pig-headed obstinacy, to instruct our service personnel to carry on regardless, lest we give any succour to our enemies.
It's hard to think of anything which better illustrates the deranged bunker mentality at the heart of the Blair regieme. As Pete Seeger used to sing, 'We were neck deep in the big muddy and the damn fool kept yelling to push on'. Time to go, Tony.
Is this the same Blair that said our Troops in Afganistan and iraq could have anything they wanted?to fight the good fight.But must not know why they are there being shot at.
My dearest demotivated,It has not gone amiss that the very same political sesspool of a Tory party,still intertwines with a treacherous tabloid newspaper which bankrolled Adolf Hitler.
This miserable bunch of inbreeds, would sooner support the rise of terror but not its own Country fighting it.
Support in the same vein if you so wish, but democracy and democrats will always suppress you into the litle rat infested corner of the world upon which you spawn.
It's not a coincidence that you continue to lose or your newspaper continues to publish.
Gary
Ben Bradshaw doesn't need King Size Rizzlas - I seem to recall he was quite capable of rolling a jazz cigarette using three or four of the normal sized papers
There was a program on television that detailed how the money designated for rebuilding Iraq ($20 billion)? was stolen/frittered away.I was unable to watch.Is there a web link to a recording,maybe?I'd appreciate it if someone could post such a thing,if it exists.
What about an inquiry into our brave SAS boys making 10 Iragi prisoners "walk the plank" some thousands of feet in the air while being transported on a Hercules
Gary you obviously didn't go to grammar school like the children of your ministers. You are barely coherent you moron.
Given what we've left the Iraqis with -- a society riven by sectarianism, infiltrated by the Islamicists that Saddam repudiated (remember that Osama supported his overthrow) and threatened with breakup and civil war, an inquiry is only the start of the process. Let's have real accountability of the individuals responsible, starting with our Tone. If there was any real justice, Blair would have been impeached long ago for involving us in this farrago in violation of international law.
Sorry Guido, I know you like to maintain a light tone, but there are times....
Anonymous.Where do you get your crap info from Bin LADEN???
I have a thumscrew which I use for sexual purposes with my new friend Olga who is a Russian prostitute and Peter Hitchens
Be nice to see Parliament exercise some form of authority over the Government...almost like some sort of democracy thing....
And which part of my Shakespearian writing did you find so incoherent, Dr. Crackers?
Or should I call you by your real name.... Dr. Mengele!! Ah ha!
The game is up, you bag of scum.
Gary
There are no prostitutes in Russia. She must be just Peter Hitchens.
Andy D said...
I love the Labour excuse
'Downing Street has warned of "very real consequences" for British troops in Iraq if MPs defeat the government over calls for an inquiry into the war.'
There are, and have been to date, 'very real consequences for British troops in Iraq'. Dead, wounded, traumatised, pinned down, maltreated when returning to UK hospitals, under-equipped, over-stretched, in truth abandoned to their own resources and bravery by an administration in total denial and desperate defence of their private interests and gain. (all this is currently being reported regularly, daily in the press from all over the world). Finally Blair is frightened enough of the military disaster that could occur - consider the warnings from senior military commanders who could not go further in their condemnation of the situation of their forces - to look for a culprit. The culprit is to be Parliament seeking a means to hold a crazed prime m inister and his acolytes to book. If Blair loses the vote he has an explanation for the imminent military meltdown he has brought upon our troops; if he wins it he can tell Cherie tonight that she can sleep soundly in her London town house for lots more nights. It's so horrible it's beyond good and evil (as is said where Mills is getting his).
"My dearest demotivated,It has not gone amiss that the very same political sesspool of a Tory party,still intertwines with a treacherous tabloid newspaper which bankrolled Adolf Hitler."
It was a Tory Government in 1940 that allowed a debate over the Norway disaster. This was not perceived as undermining morale or boosting the Germans. Indeed, the defeat of the PM was a positive outcome.
So enough of this "this will help the terrorists" nonsense.
And it was that same Tory sesspool of a Government (not to be confused with this Tory party-although the similarities are obvious)that had within its utmost hierarchy,Nazi sympathisers who wanted to land Hitler.
The biggest lie of all time was 'appeasement'. It was collaboration, which included the press.
That same treacherous rat spawn still persue the destabling of her majesty's democratically elected Government by any means possible. Unless it is a Tory one, of course.
Gary
(MI5 are already on my case so no need to inform them)
a jazz cigarette?
That would be a spliff then
Dear Dr Crackers
re: another incoherent posting from Gary
sesspool = cesspool
Regards,
Marge
Hatfield Girl.
Whilst the situation in Iraq is, at the best dire, the voting going on tonight will have no impact on what insurgants in Iraq do in the future. I somehow doubt they are avid watchers of BBC Parliment or even care who Tony Blair is. All that matters to them is what happens in their country and it is only by sorting things out there, or getting out of there can this sorry episode of history be brought to a close.
Marge
Our Gary is in need of special tuition in the use of his native language. It is not only the spelling but his muddled use of the language to express his incoherent ideas that make his posts a pig,s breakfast. I would not say he is unintelligent but he is certainly unintelligible. Takes all types etc.... Prezza is his role model, possibly.
Andy said 'it is only by sorting things out there, or getting out of there ' And how are either of those ends to be achieved with forces undermanned, under funded, without sufficient armour, weaponry, helicopters, or any political sanity, never mind judgement, from Blair and co who are supposed to give reasonable orders to the military -orders thata can be carried out, within the rules of war, competently and efficiently and that do not fly in the face of the reality facing our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?
the 12 rebels:
Harry Cohen (Leyton & Wanstead)
Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North)
Mark Fisher (Stoke-on-Trent Central)
Roger Godsiff (Birmingham Sparkbrook & Small Heath)
Glenda Jackson (Hampstead & Highgate)
John McDonnell (Hayes & Harlington)
Robert Marshall-Andrews (Medway)
Alan Simpson (Nottingham South)
Sir Peter Soulsby (Leicester South)
Dr Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)
Robert Wareing (Liverpool West Derby)
Mike Wood (Batley & Spen)
Dear Dr Cracker
Gary would benefit from an hour alone with either Lynne Truss or a good psychiatrist... preferably both.
Marge
It was all too easy fro the labour Whips. Anyone who voted for the resolution was promised a night squeezed between Hazel Blears and Hilary Armstrong. Most would sooner swim the Thames!
Gary Elsby stoke wrote:
Gary
(MI5 are already on my case so no need to inform them)
...Gary, why are MI5 on your case, is it full of ann summers gear or "blue lembits" or something... the case is a pandora's box Gary, come out of it, you know you want to.
"And it was that same Tory sesspool of a Government (not to be confused with this Tory party-although the similarities are obvious)that had within its utmost hierarchy,Nazi sympathisers who wanted to land Hitler."
Not doubting you but my point was that there's nothing treacherous about calling for an inquiry into the Iraq war if the government was able to debate the Norway disaster in 1940.
Anti-war Labour MPs are scum of the first order for sticking their arses in the air and letting Bush's proxy take them roughly up the arse. Only 12 MPs with balls to vote yes?
The point made earlier about MPs and their un-safe seats being held to account today by the electorate is important. Our local Labour MP is vocally and vehemently against this illegal war; he never fails to vent in front of press cameras about the lies that took us to war. Where is his name on the list... Nowhere.
Either he agreed to eat his principles - the anti-war/anti-privatisation stance on which he was elected May 05 - to save Blair or he never had any in the first place, and lied to us.
This party political bollocks about not wanting to vote with the opposition, even when in total agreement with the substance of a vote, only proves the failings of our alleged parliammentary democracy. They show us nothing but contempt with their playground games.
Anti-war Labour MPs who failed to vote for this tonight can be glad to know they have sent a loud message to the Iraqis dying in droves because of Bush and Blair's "mistakes" that they fear party whips more than they want to hold to account those responsible for the carnage, and to learn real lessons on how to rectify those "mistakes". And to an electorate who cannot trust them however many impassioned speaches they make at demos.
The blood of Iraqis stains their souls however loudly and publicly they protest.
End of rant
Is it not fair to state that only one government inquiry has ever actually produced a result - that of the inquiry into the Charge of The Light Brigade in 1857. The 'official' inquiry reported that Raglan, Lucan and Cardigan were not 'fit to be in charge of remounts' (remounts were reserve cavalry horses). The hastily reconvened inquiry found that no one was to blame apart from possibly some mis-direction by one Captain Nolan, one of Raglan's gallopers (messengers) assigned to Lucan's personal staff.
This war is vital to our national security and the future of the whole of mankind. However what the hell are WE the British doing there right now?
This fight is for freedom of western capital and domenance of the developed world over unstable theocratic and Stalinest dictatorships. An idear only Americans still half beleive in, and have the money to do anything substantial about.
So what is this country, one that is run by an elected party ideologicaly opposed to both of these aims, doing involved in this type of war?
Is the free limos and expense accounts just too tempting for modern day socialists? Or are they just a bit nift that the Arabs have not been as generous to "the revolution" as the USSR had been in the past.
I for one would no longer lift a finger to help save this country from what it is already fast becoming all on its own. I feel very sorry for those that still do.
Get a GREEN card quick and leave or just leave. Let Cherie and her lawyer friends turn out the lights. Soon they will be the only people still making any money here.
Well that's over then, we must not be distracted by desenters of the party.
We must get on with all haste in organising the new-socialist state.
Dear Marge
I blame Shirley Williams for Gary's 'destabling'(sic).
Yours etc
Dr Crackers
Head Teacher and Managing Director
Edukayshon Edukayshon Edukayshon plc
I've just posted the names of the 12 Labour MPs who voted against the SNP/Plaid motion which was almost identical to the Early Day Motion (1088) which these same 12 Labour MPs signed. If they. along with other co-signatories had voted No yesterday (fine chance of their parliamentary voting record matching their public posturing) then Blair would have been defeated (unlikely to have resigned) but a House of Commons Select Committee could have started the process of investigating Suez II aka the Iraq invasion.
I doubt whether treachery or treason can be excused by exampling either Gallipoli or Norway.
Were troops in operation in those theatres at the time of enquiry?
I very much doubt it.
Gary
Look dr. knobface, I didn't go to posh school like you obviously did.
I wasn't schooled into believing that If I studied Richard III, I would end up in the City with rest of you freeloading cunts.
I went to a school approved by the local authority and magistrates court.
Our studies were a little more direct:
'This twat of a Government sent you here, what will you do in revenge?-discuss'
If I'd known then what I know now, then perhaps I may have studied dead languages or a load of made-up Shakespearian gibberish and go on to become a renowned journalist in Chat magazine such as yourself.
So do me a favour Dr. Goebells, go fuck yourself.
Gary
Gary
I seem to have upset you. What would your mother say if she read above message?
We also do anger management counselling at Edukayson Edukayson Edukayson. I don't mind your poor spelling and English as much as I dislike your ill conceived,venom loaded views.
Keep calm. Have Carlsberg Extra Special washed down with some Buckfast and you will feel better.
Save your rage for Blair and Brown who should should be the real objects of your scorn.
Pip Pip
Yours as ever
Dr Crackers
Dear Dr. Crackers, I'm sorry that I went off the rails a little earlier. It's me, I'm stressed out with commenting on this and that. Hope you'll forgive me.
I always thought that I knew a cunt when I saw one, but as is obvious, I can't see you so It's me that's out of order.However, I do think you write like one which appears to be the problem.
Apologetically yours
Gary
Gary
OK. No more comments on language from me. I shall restrict my responses to the issues.
Apologies for getting up your nose.
Yours humbly
Dr Crackers (Retired)
Do u really work for Chat Magazine DR. C? I know this woman who ate a kipper for tea an just two weeks later gave birth to a school of herings whilst in the bath. Is this of any interest?
Mutleythepooch.
No I don't actually. Its a story my new mate Gazza is putting out about me. Thanks for the interest though. That kipper woman could be on to a good thing what with fish stocks running down. I could try to get her listed on AIM - there could be a few bob in this for you.
pip pip
Dr Crackers & Gary de Stoke
Gentlemen
You are both among friends and we have all greatly enjoyed your lively & dialectical exchanges
I am not in a position to comment on Master Stoke's idio-syncratic spellings - I have trubbles of my own, but I would welcome help from anyone who can tell me how to find my spell-checker (on Firefox, Apple Mac)
I hope Master Stoke will forgive my impertinence in speculating that he seems to have the confidence of an enviable youth and he almost lives in Derbyshire (the best of Counties)
However, in his shoes, I would perhaps be less eager to bruit so loudly abroad any claim to any credit or responsibility for the election of the Workers' Party Leader and thereby the Prime Minister
He might perhaps profitably reflect on how many of his humbler Working Comrades in the Party seem to feel very let-down by our Dear Leader's actions over the last 10 years and on how far such thoughts may (per impossibile) be justified
I have the honour to remain your obedient servant and
Alles Gute
G Eagle
Of course there are some in the Labour party who have been let down by Tony.
He let them down by becoming our dear leader, he then let them down by winning an election. Then another one. And then to really rub it in, he did it again to show how easy it was all along.
Tony let them down all right and may his forthcoming memoirs be full of shame for doing so.
Affectionately yours,
Gary.
Geagte Meneer Eagle
Jammer maar ek is nie 'expert' op 'software' nie. Ek blameer Mev Williams vir al die spel probleme in England.
Met beste wense
Herr Doktor Crackers
Instituut vir Narvorsing
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