Lie-O-Meter : Cherie v Carolin
Carolin Lotter passes the Lie-O-Meter test so easily. Just check out her explanation here (the video is on the right) compared to Ms Blair's ""Honestly, guys, I hate to spoil your story, but I didn't say it and I don't believe it either.""Why didn't Bloomberg put her on air immediately instead of hiding her in a hotel room? She is genuine, not quite an ingénue, but she compares very well to the duplicitous, scheming and venal Cherie. That every talking head put up by the Labour party is willing to call Carolin a liar tells us all we need to know about them. Guido hears that there is a second source for the comment who, unlike the security officers, has not signed the Official Secrets Act.
114 comments:
Since when have the comments of a politicians wife been subject of the OS Act? It's not the act that is gagging them, but senior managment/career advancement.
I'd look to the likely lad/ettes staffing the adjoining tables as La Cherie made her "Please get me a pie" progress through the centre. Unless they've been Wolfganged. Or promised a quick political career standing as the "One Britain, at One with Bush" candidate in the next municipal elections in Basra.
Guido
Why should it be deemed an official secret in any case.?
I think what you mean, as far as the Security Officers is that if you open your gob, you get the sack. More persuasive than the Official Secrets Act which IMHO is a worthless document that has been found wanting in recent test cases.
The OS Act covers everything you know in the service of the state.
And “L’État, c’est moi” in the "First Lady's" mind.
putting campbell up on channel 4 news last night shows what a state the bliar machine is in - if the only cherie supporter they can get is someone so dishonest they really are in a mess.
BBC is playing games of course -asking Maryannmoron (paid up member of the AnyoneButGordon brigade)what she thought of Brown's speech was just farcical.
Newsnight last night was about as realistic as monty python - Reid can't possibly stand if there is dirt on his past private life !
She's a liar with thunderous thighs, but I'd still mount her.
As per the Daily Politics, it would appear lads/ettes have already been offered the Basra alternative and are mounting robust defence of their deafness.....
This is classic Cherie. She can never resist a dig. I once had the misfortune to meet her at a TUC dinner at Labour conference (don't ask!) and, introduced to her as a Tory, she said in a snide Scouse voice, "Well we've all got our crosses to bear!" I smiled and thought, yes, and yours is that you're fucking ugly.
Of course, the Official Secrets Act may constrain protection officers from repeating what the PM's wife said about her knowledge of matters of state.
Des Browne's speech now... just in time for a nap before Blair's sermon!
More to the point, why didn't a human rights lawyer just stick to her guns and state the bleeding obvious?
I spoke to a Brownite from oop north last night and even he reckoned the Glid of Glood had "fooked it on't podium" because he hasn't been to the Anthony Blair School of Wounded Sincerity.
May be Cherie should do a Hilary.
if you open your gob, you get the sack
Of course in Cherie's case it would have to be one very big sack.
Anyone got a link for the video of Cherie's denial?
TV cameras everywhere and microphones even affordable to bloomers-berg, but guess what?.....
There just so happens to be non around when you need one. Shucks!
I don't believe it.
Doom.
"Of course, the Official Secrets Act may constrain protection officers from repeating what the PM's wife said about her knowledge of matters of state."
Bullsh*t. I've done the job and gone on to write books about such service, ignoring threats of reprisal from the establishment. As Stella Remmington proved, it's little more than a draconian piece of legislation used to scared those who lack the balls to say 'sod off.'
So why did Bloomberg change their initial story then?
Once a story unravels, hiding the source and then changing the narrative isn't terribly convincing.
flock of seagulls
Pour Cherie its is more...
Léléphant cul, c’est moi”
My French is rusty but I think that works.
Is Carolin Lotter single?
this all made me laugh so much- it took Cherie 7 hours to come out with the denial. Do you think she was on the phone to all here legal cronies getting 'advice' about what to do?
Slick of TB too, getting his wife to do the dirty work and then denying it all. fantastic, you have to hand it to the man, he's a bastard.
Considering that she's a QC -- trained to lie in a cause -- she really is useless.
Would you pay her a silk's going rate?
By the way I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the spin doctors meeting to try and deny the use of the word "lie".
"How about Hi-de-Hi Alaister?"
Body Language wise the Bloombergs girl seems nervous, but ultimately truthful. Always check out the eyes.
She kept blinking (nerves) but looked down to the left and right. To do with memory and internal dialogue.
Whereas Cherry Blares was as shifty as fuck.
Sorry... bit bland and what not... I DO THE BLOOMERS OF THE BLOOMBERG GIRL- PWOAR... LOOK AT THE JUGS ON THAT.
On balance I think this story is true however Carolin Lotter's body language during her TV piece was less convincing…
Carolin Who? sounded -on last night's news anyway- as a bit of a Hooray Henrietta- all sensible cardy and head angled to one side.
So- only one journalist 'hears' Cherie's alleged comment? And how many journos are in the media village of the conference venue, Guido?
Just a thought.
Radio 5 just now : both Clare Short and Cherie's biographer, Linda McDougall have stated that Cherie *did* call Brown a liar yesterday.ITO
They believe it was a deliberate move by Cherie who "says the things Tony can't"
So, is it a BIG secret Brown is a liar?
Anonymous is a brave anonymous person when it comes to taking on the 'establishment'.
Dr. David Kelly did just that and on TV as well.
Rewind the film and look at the two seats immediately behind him.
Doom.
i believe the bloomberg girl - the body language says it all.
the cherie lie story was the lead item on Jeremy Vine today - completely overshadowing Brownstuff's dreary Leninist crapola speech.
fantastic.
Oh I instinctively want to mother the little girl from Bloomberg - hold her tight to my ample breasts, shielding her from that horrible nasty woman with her big nasty mouth and her sticky out eyes.
Away, away you naughty woman – go and pick on someone your own size.
Cherie has legal training..........so does that stupid drone Des Browne whom Andrew Neil just shredded on TV
Lawyers lie - it is hard-wired into their DNA
Tony Blair now styles himself Tony-Blair-the-most-successful-leader-Labour-has-ever-had in the manner of Mohammed-may-his-name-be-praised.
Cherie Blair should be renamed Cherie-Blair-the-most-embarrassing-badly-brought-up-politician's-wife-the-world-has-ever-known.
Just seen the notes in French ....
L'elephant cul is OK; Cul d'elephant (pedantically) is better; Conne d'elephant perhaps (IMHO) a better description of that awfull gash.
This may just be the final straw for Brown. The reality is that Brown is a crappy liar. All that guff about "I was smiling because someone said something about my son." and "That bloke dropped by to give me a present for my son."
I mean it's laughable.
The difference between good politicians like Blair and Clinton is that you know they are lying, but you want to believe them because you empathise with thier values.
Brown is such a weirdo you can't empathise with him at all.
Perhaps it took seven hours for Booth and Campbell to determine there was no recording of Cherie or a corroborating witness to what she said. A hilarious Mexican stand-off between them and Bloomberg.
At least, that's my guess about the handling of Carolin; it was to keep the Blairs guessing.
One source just ain't good news. It cannot stand up on that basis.
Well, as far as Cherie is concerned, its mission accomplished. The content and conference hall reception of Brown's speech is wiped off the front pages, and replaced by further questions about his integrity (lack of).
She can get away with it because she can't be forced out of office. She's a smart cookie.
Surpised nobody's mentioned the Tony & Steph Booth interview on Channel 4 News during their 'Cherie calls Brown a liar' piece last night. It's crystal clear what they both think of Brown. And they were clearly chuffed that the dear daughter apparently agreed with them. It's still up on the C4 site 4 minutes in from the start of the piece.
Once again, I strongly suggest that you look at who Carolin Lotter is.
Bedehouse: the story doesn't have to "stand up" - just be believed.
That's assuming Cherie did in fact say it but Brown's speech is forgotten nonetheless.
The question conservatives have to ask themselves is do you want a numpty like Brown to lose the next election (guaranteed) or a wildcard who might just pull off a win?
Cherie would have done well to follow the advice of afamous lawyer (Abraham Lincoln), who said:
"There is a vague popular belief that lawyers are necessarily dishonest. I say vague, because when we consider to what extent confidence and honors are reposed in and conferred upon lawyers by the people, it appears improbable that their impression of dishonesty is very distinct and vivid. Yet the impression is common, almost universal. Let no young man choosing the law for a calling for a moment yield to the popular belief -- resolve to be honest at all events; and if in your own judgment you cannot be an honest lawyer, resolve to be honest without being a lawyer. Choose some other occupation, rather than one in the choosing of which you do, in advance, consent to be a knave."
Anyone see the focus group on Newsnight last night?
The most animated and emotional they got was when the issue of Brown's 'Scottishness' came up.
If the Tories don't plan to have that played that up they deserve to lose the next election. It should be central to how they 'get Gordon'.
Incidentally..
Cherie said, "I never said it and I dont believe it either".
If she was being truthful, how could she not believe something she had not said?
Can someone enlighten me please?
As a poster above said - Lotter is telling the truth - she replies without hesitation, uses the same terms, has a clear and simple story, does not need emphasis to put the point over - she is nervous, yes, she's not an on-camera presenter, her eyes are often thrown down, but she does not blink in a head on glance, she is not evasive, her hands are relaxed, her posture is straight and relaxed, there is no aggression of wheedling in her voice.
Telling the truth
Cherie was over-pally, emphatic about her "honestly", fast paced, shfting her weight and her head as she spoke, drove home points with a nod of her chin - she was clearly trying hard to present a relaxed impression, and off hand denial, but the tension in her jaw and posture denied that, as did the pace of her delivery and her rush to be past the camera crews. Compare her delivery with that of Clinton in his pointy and emphatic "I did not have sex with that woman" speech - very similar delivery. I'd say they'd been coached by the same individual, or certainly "of the same school".
She was lying.
@McOckney
If that's related to the Luntz poll then the same group who slated Brown for being Scottish favoured John Reid!
A Blair telling lies? I cannot believe it.
Guillermo de Vargas - what do you mean "look at who she is"? Sounds a bit sinister. Do you know that she is secretly a member of the BNP? Character assasination comes easy to you doesn't it?
And they didn't really change their story ether. Originally they said Cherie had come out of the hall. This was probably an assumption and should've been checked. However, the substance of the story (the comment) has remained constant.
This isn't 1997 anymore sunshine. You've got form and you can't spin this shit away.
Is it not beyond the realms of possibility that this is an elaborate move to undermine TB. Has Guido been compromised?
Guillermo de Vargas said...
Once again, I strongly suggest that you look at who Carolin Lotter is.
GdV, your comments have the whiff of a nuLab lickspittle smart arse about them, but what are you getting at?
"look at who she is"
The phrase "carolin lotter" results in very few google hits. Ok so google is not the world police but it's not like she's got form, is it?
'Another Source'?partial or impartial??
Well Google doesn't know absolutely everything.
New story: on her same storming out of the conference march, Cherie is reported to have walked past a trade union stall, scowling at Brown on a tv monitor and using the phrase "All rubbish".
I think this all hangs together. The only question is if its cordinated. Oh, and what more is to come....
I think Gordon should send her some flowers (Triffids?) to show there are no hard feelings. After all didn't that Broon MP Angela Eagle say it was "tittle-tattle" on the radio this morning, We wouldn't want the labour party to disintegrate.. hahahahahahaha
Looks like she shot her mouth off all through the day - check Dale's diary.
The Wide-mouthed frog said "I never said it and I dont believe it either".
Or did she say "I never said it. And I dont believe it either". Which might suggest that she doesn't believe herself when she says that she never said it.
Oh dear, I'm even confusing myself. Beer is the answer.
@Anonymous 1:09pm
We were asked to "look at who she is" which kind of implies she has history in the public domain. Chances are we would see it on google.
It's Mrs Lotter. Lucky bugger, whoever he is.
why does it mean your a liar if you say "honestly":
It doesn't.
Honestly it doesnt
No really it doesnt
No no no it really doesn't honestly
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think any of the papers has used the most obvious heaadline. I would have put down good money that one of them would have used
"ME AND MY BIG MOUTH!"
it was "tittle-tattle" on the radio
Favoured New Labour phrase that "tittle-tattle"
wonder if it is an implanted PROM chip or a disc they have implanted
.....AND MY BIG ARSE.
Cherie is such a lying slut!
Are Cherie's lies the reason Gordon Broon's sticking his tongue out on the Guardian's front page pic on Tues 26/9? Or is he poking it out at all of us?
Though it may be, of course, that Brown's unable, or unwilling, to keep his tongue in his mouth properly for some other reason.
Tooth ache, Tongue ache, jaw ache - or a bottox job to control the, strange spasms of his lower lip and jaw - which magically diminished between the Marr interview and conference? Yet Bottox wouldn't make his jaw clamp over the tip of his slightly extended tongue like that, or would it?
Rather than affecting one side or the other, Brown always strikes me as having had a horizontal stroke, affecting the bottom half of his face. It is most peculiar.
anyone see Andrew Neil's mauling of Des Browne? It was awesome. I was waiting for someone in the Browne camp to throw in the towel after the first couple of questions.
It's amazing that the only debate going on at the Nu Labour conference is on camera in tv shows, and not in the hall.
Google is not, in fact, much good at sussing out bylines. There's currently about a week lagtime on google picking up certain things I've been searching for. And it doesn't read things that are behind "Sign In Here" walls. I was a columnist for several years yet you won't find my stuff out there.
Lexis/Nexis is a far better source if you're looking for information about a journalist.
This conference is a textbook case of mushroom management - keep the delegates in the dark and cover them with manure - so no one discusses issues or the succession. Cherie Blair has skillfully added a touch of muck raking to distract everyone`s attention. Looks like a classic Blair operation to me.
Totally smitten
Make that Frau Lotter. She's German, formerly Heinrich. Not that this necesarily alters the truth of the story...
Brillo versus Brown was a masterstroke but not for those prone to high blood pressure or with conveniently to hand missles to shatter TV screen. With our soldiers dying for lack of proper equipment or strategy its hard to keep to Guido's light hearted guidelines, so I will sign off before I get too seriously angry....
@raincoaster
Agreed about google lag but I still maintain if she had been involved in something overtly political previously it would have been discussed in blogs and indexed by google.
I suppose in that respect she could be a 'cleanskin' - brought out just for this special occasion.
wonder if it is an implanted PROM chip or a disc they have implanted...
The labour party apparatchiks can't have anything implanted, as every good surgeon knows it's impossible to graft anything on to necrotic tissue. There must be another explanation, it can't be where all the NHS spending has disappeared to can it?
a doctorr Writes said,
Brown always strikes me as having had a horizontal stroke, it is most peculiar.
The stroke explanation, horizontal or otherwise, wouldn't explain the dramatic sucking action and accompanying noisey, hyperventilated inhalation of breath would it? The man's a living windabg set of Sbagpipes.
And there's the apparent displacement conduct too. Doesn't that suggest something other than a stroke?
Also,if he'd had,and recovered from,a stroke at a young age, Brown would surely be bragging about that, wouldn't he?
"Brown would surely be bragging about that, would
"oesn't that suggest something other than a stroke?
"had a horizontal st
"ctorr Writes said,
Lets face it this fat, ugly old woman has lost the plot, she is getting bitter and twisted because **** is f****** r****** **** that combined with the h*** s****** he used to get of c***** ****** , deep down she knows that her m******* is over as soon as **** leaves office, then she will have no clout anywhere outside of the small claims court.
**** will leave her and then spend the rest of his days travelling the world earning bundles of cash and f****** as many tatrs as he can , just like his mate **** ******* does.
Cant say as I blame the jug eared C***..
Don't you think she might have just forgotten what she said? lets try and be nice guys
Given the animosity that has existed between Blair and Broon I don't know why she is even bothering to lie.
Brown should dry his eyes. Or eye, as it is in his case.
It's the story that wont go away: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23368242-details/Cherie+and+Mandelson+in+new+blast+at+Brown/article.do
The Wide-mouthed frog said "I never said it and I dont believe it either".
First she must convince herself. I wonder if ALieStare had her repeat it over and over to reprogramme her reptilian brain.
meanwhile there has been stiff competition this year at the annual new labour hot air awards.....see:
http://www.photo-host.org/img/194428guynewshotair.jpg
Browns facial tics areknown as "hemifacial spasm," a condition characterized by very rapid, abnormal contractions of one side of the face. Sometimes hemifacial spasm may follow a "Bell's palsy" or be associated with facial weakness. Often the movements are provoked by eating, talking, or whistling. Some patients exhibit a response whereby when they move the lower part of the face, the upper face has spasms.
As he is whistling into the wind if he thinks he will be prime minister and probably goes into spasms everytime he hears the words "Tony Blair" I think that proves my diagnosis.
even steve wright just joked about it all on radio 2 a minute ago.
"i know there was some great telly on last night nothing beats alaistair campbell on channel 4 news..."
"put me on put me on!"
ha!
mike giggle - you've just given us 2 posts which are worlds apart. At 2:00 you lost the plot and had a full on tourette moment (even bleeping out 'Tony'). But at 2:12 you gave us your phd thesis on facial tics.
Who are you?
Cleanskin? Just to make a point everyone already knows about Cheerie mrs B?
Look behind Guillermo...the lizards......they're coming ....agghhhh!
The Dear Leader is going to be on in just a minute. Heading into the conference centre now.
You can Technorati Carolin, and there's something there in German from more than a year ago. I can't read it. Is Iain Dale around?
anon2:25
it was me trying a new name
too many fake hitchens about
god allfucking mighty....
if you have access to a telly, watch the conference NOW... footage of the most appalling "individual" placards being held up, all on regulation sized card held aloft by grinning drones, "Safer Streets, thanks Tony!"
Kill 'em.
Kill 'em all.
No, really.
historic deal announced at conference...world exclusive:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3856/newsdealhk2.jpg
imagine if Blair stepped up to the podium and said "well, fuck the lot of you. i'm joining the Tories. good bye..."
Frank - all in the same handwriting? The same sponteneity which brought 200 labour party workers to Downing St. on 2nd May?
@raincoaster
You did not quote your search term - hence the irrelevant German result.
blair is on...
whatever you think about his politics , he's an incredible orator. looking forward to this...
People have seen through Labour.It's only 5000 people in a hall cheering for him.Don't worry,they're gone.
unlike the turgid Brownstuff, he's already made a joke.
Given the reptilian flicking of Gordon's tongue in this Guardian picture, Nulab had better be careful about tossing Chameleon insults at Cameron, as these could end up sticking to new Nulab's leader.
There a million bloodclots thudding along arteries all over Europe, why can't one of them be stumbling somewhere critical inside that grinning prick?
BTW, if he has his family up there on the podium, doesn't that mean they are being used politically, and shouldn't that mean that discussion of his kids'... misadventures becomes permissable?
"safer streets"
christ I want to cry
where do they find these wankers?
Caroline is being somewhat rude (in the video), she is talking over the top of the conference speakers and completely drowning them out.
The fact none of the conference members are turning to listen to her shows how hard they are trying to hear and how polite they are not turning around and telling her to shut up and stop ruining their conference.
is it just me or is there a weird time delay on Tony's speech on the BBC. they keep cutting to other cameras and its out of sync with the sound....
Does anyone know where to get a live text feed online? Our IT dept will get upset about us watching video streams.
I have to keep turning the television off , some of those blood clots are coming my way. These wankers seem to exist in a different dimension , I could say the same about the Conservatives.
Guido you meet these creatures , are they on some kind of medication ?
If not I Would reccomend some,
delusional, excitable unable to deal with reality ,a room full of Psychosis and not a decent bit of fluff to be seen.
I know who I believe and she doesn't live in Downing Street. Nor did she start with the word 'honestly' which is a surefire way of determining that what you are about to hear from anyone connected with nulab is pure fiction.
I'd think more of the lovely Mrs B if she had just admitted it and said that she was entitled to her opinions too. Nothing wrong with that.
My Dad taught be to tell the truth because 'you can always tell it twice'.
Javelin 2:49 reported
"Caroline is being somewhat rude (in the video), she is talking over the top of the conference speakers and completely drowning them out."
An ASBO for Caroline, and march her annoying parents to the nearest ATM. Make sure the old witch gets sterling, as (like BR) the plod won't take Euros
battle of vienna said...
is it just me or is there a weird time delay on Tony's speech on the BBC. they keep cutting to other cameras and its out of sync with the sound....
It's probably a timelag in case he says something like "Nick Robinson shags my cat" or somethin'
Little Black Sambo writes: "Doesn't have to stand up - just be believed."
Terrific. There is no corroboration. She certainly has previous but the simple fact is a complete lack of corroboration. The news desk should have binned it if they could not back it up.
Hitchens, for the wankers in question, I'd suggest using a long-acting benzodiazepine (eg, diazepam 5-10 mg orally or IV).
Lithium enema perhaps. But I think we have already had this discussion in another place.
The Gargoyle told the truth 'As she saw it!' What harm in that?
Indeed Dr Crippen
I used to have a good bedside manner with depressives I have gradually drifted into The
"look, you are unhappy boo hoo, how do you think I feel talking to twats like you all day? none of these drugs work , go for a long walk everyday(if you can), get a pet,take up a hobby and stop drinking , all these things wil make you feel happier"
I then Inject 1mg diamorphine , allows me to function and not give a shit.
First of all I think you will find that her name is Carolin Heinrich, not Lotter (her maiden name I think). Her email address is given by Bloomberg as being cheinrich@bloomberg.net.
Secondly she did not at all come across as a media-savvy reporter, despite how all the anonymongoid Millbank tossers above would have us all believe. She came across, at least to me anyway, as a honest reporter who had had this deeply unpleasant gargoyle sound off in her presence and had decided to report on it.
Did anyone else think Cherie looked fat in that photo? What were those large things she had around her shoulders? Why do fat women always put extra draperies around their shoulders? Especially socialist fat women?
It seems to be tribal.
Frank Fisher said...
"BTW, if he has his family up there on the podium, doesn't that mean they are being used politically, and shouldn't that mean that discussion of his kids'... misadventures becomes permissable?"
Does that mean we can finally reveal his daughter has attempted to top herself more than once? Or is the gagging 'order' still in place?
She has indeed recently got married.
Blair basicallyt admitted it was true inhis speech with the crack about her not running off with Gordon.
aah the family
those dreadfull 1st World War Generals wern't they upper class wankers not leading from the front?
That dreadfull John Gummer feeding his 4 year old a mad cow burger to prove its safe.
But we won't say if our youngest was given an MMR vacine (he wasn't) but we'll go right on telling you plebs to get your kids done (otherwise the heard immunity will be lost an our kid might get the measels/months.
Nothing like showing a bit of leadership a?
Cherie: "Does the bum look big in this?"
Tony: "I didn't knowyou lent Gordon your cast-offs."
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