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Wednesday, September 27, 2006

Blair Nostalgia : How Things Have Changed

Blair yesterday reminisced about the bad old 80s, how crap Labour used to be and how things have changed now. Guido dug out his old election leaflet from 1983. Check out that grin!
1. Prescription charges are up 21% since Blair got in, the tax burden is the highest it has ever been after an N.I. rise to pay for the NHS.
2. Blair has the British army garrisoned in Iraq and Afghanistan - costing us tens of billions of an overstretched military budget as the situation worsens.
3. New Labour.
4. £30 Billion.
How things have changed...

101 comments:

Told Yer He Was A Bad'un said...

Uuuurrrrggghhhhh. That cheesy insincere grin. It was there for all to see, way back then.

Can we please have a quick flash of the "Demon Eyes" poster as an antidote. Ta.

Marquee Mark said...

So the incompetent Tories got us into the Falkalnds War, eh? No role for the invading Argentinian Junta in NuLabour history books then...

Twat.

mutleythedog said...

I think he looked quite sweet then - he looks like a cadaver at the moment!

who knows said...

1. 700% V 21%
no comparison!

2. Falklands war did not make the world a safer place.

3. NL has neen part of the solution, with regards to the growing arms race.

Mike said...

The last time I saw a grin like that it was The Joker from the first Batman movie... How things have changed since then!

judith said...

and wot about the anti-eu stance then? that got ditched as I recall pdq!

Opus Dave Member said...

1. TAXES
2. Resulted in democracy in Argentina.
3. Oh yeah, we found all the WMD and Terrorism is in decline.

Anonymous said...

The Falkslands war was entirely neccassery as a way of showing Argentina that we can beat them at something. After misery in 1986 and 1998 it somehow feels all the more relevent.

Eileen Critchley said...

Does anyone know if he's ever worked with Ron Jeremy?

verity said...

At Fettes, the other boys called him Emily. In his chambers, his nickname was Miranda. When he won the first election, he was called Bambi.

What can I say?

(Who's Ron Jeremy?)

ScotsToryB said...

AwfurFawkessake!

Is there anyone in blogland who can make the picture link appear larger in the new window?

I mean, anytime I catch a sprog looking at an HD version of a thumbnail, they bleat = but the thumbnail's too small!

Perleese FIX it!

I am, Sir,
Yours etc

ScotsToryB

allan said...

Why do keep saying that Verity? I've never heard that anywhere before. Dif you perhaps make it up?

NoJags Neil said...

Incompetant Tories did get us into the Falklands war. However, that cock-up pales into insignificance compared to Iraq. Have a look at "Military Intelligence Blunders and Cover-Ups" by Colonel John Hughes-Wilson (ISBN 1-84119-871-4).

I would also like to say for the record that the person that came up with the "demon eyes" campaign was a visionary, but not for the reasons he expected.

don jameson said...

Well, y'know, actually, that picture of young Tony looks a bit like Guido...

(and you never see the two of them together...)

Man in a shed said...

Can't dig up a Cherie Booth candidate pamphlet too could you Guido ?

verity said...

Allan says: "Why do you keep saying that, Verity? I've never heard that anywhere before."

That's why I keep saying it, Allan. Because not enough people know. You could google emily+tony blair.

A couple of years ago someone mentioned on a blog about his nickname in his chambers was Miranda. Can't remember where I read it, except it was a blog.

And everyone remembers the lovely Bambi riding his bike in Holland and grinning with an air of utter self-love.

The common man said...

"I laughed when they said I was going to be Prime Minister, but I'm not laughing now". (Apols to Bob Monkhouse, RIP)

Croydonian said...

The Emily and Bambi stories are both very well known.

Ron Jeremy is a porn star.

Fruity said...

Since everybody's talking about the statesman like performance and stirring oratorical skills http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4400/15/1600/BlairBarcode0.7.jpg

Croydonian said...

There's a more legible version of Blair's '83 Sedgefield leaflet here.

It includes the following: "We'll negotiate a withdrawal from the E.E.C. which has drained our natural resources and destroyed jobs".

Ho ho.

shergar said...

well, that's a lie.

Dr Prawn sexologist said...

A Glasgow kiss long overdue. As to Ms Booth's entrapment of Bambi, I put it down to doing a Wallis Simpson on him. David Windsor was a bit of a bambi until Wallis put him right.

Casual Observer said...

Nostalgia is just a thing of the past...

Casual Observer said...

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be...

Anonymous said...

Guido,

Is there any way to get this flyer on to a mainstream TV or newspaper to show just how disgustingly hypocrtical labour are. Newsnight etc

Well done on finding it.

Peter Hitchens said...

Read Peter Hitchens only in The Mail on Sunday
Looks like one of those Mark oaten type grins (you know the ones)
The mans a total poof isnt he?
Just look at that f****** hair.
He has to be the ugliest man ever to hold the office of prime minister, it just dawned on me , he looks like the joker from Batman.
Wanker!

Peter Hitchens said...

Verity not only is Ron Jeremy a porn star he is also known as
"The Hedgehog"
This is due to his hirsute back , he is also famous for being able to perform SVP and DAP along with 3 other performers , Ron , being part of the "A" team, should you need further explanation please ask Croydonian, he is currently compiling an anthology of pornographic acronyms as part of his doctoral thesis

Anonymous said...

I bet everybody responding here had crap hair in the 1980s. I know I did.

Anonymous said...

Excuse Monsieur Guido but you have omitted one huge thing from that leaflet and that is the demand by bLAIR that we withdraw from the EEC.

Now does this omission reveal your plotting involves ceding power from westminster to the world capital of sprouts!!!!

Humph, decendent of Archibold - Chief Mouser to the Royal Navy 1799-1812. Favourite ship cat of the Lord Admiral Neslson.
http://ghostofhumphrey.blogspot.om

Anonymous said...

That sould ov curz reed NELSON, excuse me Ive just had a saucer of Baileys!

Julian said...

Philip Johnston’s piece in the Telegraph today pretty much echoes this sentiment; i.e. lots of lies about public spending, unemployment up to well over 2m under Blair and 7.8m of the workforce not employed, defence cuts so bad that we can't support 3,500 troops in Afghanistan and 7,000 troops in Iraq, cancer mortality rates the worst in the entire first world (30% higher chance of dying from cancer than any other Western European country!). All in all proving what a complete liar Blair was yesterday.

Richard said...

1) Hang on, hang on.... 21% under ten years... that's below inflation. So, in real terms, prescription charges are down. And the tax increase, has amongst other things, paid for NHS spending and investment. Hospitals have opened. Certainly some see this as a good thing. No hypocrisy here.

2,3,4) Totally

Michael Hoskin said...

His maths wasn't much good even then.

If prescriptions go up from 20p to £1.40, the increase is £1.20, which is 600%, not 700%.

Good job he never became Chancellor. (Just First Lord of the Treasury)

Floozy said...

Please remind me - exactly how much is a prescription these days?

SBS said...

Prescription charges going from 20p to £1.40 - surely that's a 600% increase rather than 700%.

More Labour lies? Or incompetence with numbers?

billy said...

Whether or not it was incompetance that took us into the Falklands War we won it, and it was the last time a Minister resigned out of a sense of honour. (I exclude Estelle thingy who probably cannot spell honour, but was thought good enough to be in charge of education.)
What in ten years of Tone has he achieved that is positive?

tapestry said...

The stats come and go. So too the issues. A flash of that Blair smile and, abracadabra, fiasco becomes success story. Despair becomes hope renewed. The trash that surrounds him like Prescott and Brown that waste the billions appear respectable. Wars seem like mere sporting events. It's all illusion. Make the most of it while Blair happy ending politics lasts. Soon Gordon the Dinosaur will be showing at a cinema near you. Things won't be the same.

no longer anonymous said...

That rebuilding industry bit is very BNP.

Pillars said...

the thing is, if Bliar had been born and ruled in the second or third world, he would be a war criminal.

But in the UK, we'll give him a knighthood, while he goes off swanning around making massive bucks on the lecture tour circuit....no doubt telling yarns about how he brought peace to Ulster.

The bloke should be ostracised. If he does a Parkinson show, people should heckle him and/or walk out. If he tries to do Songs of Praise, the congregation/presenter should walk out.

He should be heckled at every turn for the rest of his life. A small group did that to Gerry Adams for a time in Ireland (at airports, conferences, etc) and it was highly successful - providing maximum embarrassment to the bearded one.

Any companies that employ Bliar's services in the future should be boycotted.

not gay abandon said...

At 5:42 PM, Peter Hitchens said...

Looks like one of those Mark oaten type grins (you know the ones)
The mans a total poof isnt he?
Just look at that f****** hair.
------

gay abandon and all that. It is quite possible that a Mr Blair has a gay "kernel" within him.

with regards to the hair, could he not afford a haircut?

who knows said...

At 5:00 PM, Opus Dave Member said...
1. TAXES
2. Resulted in democracy in Argentina.
3. Oh yeah, we found all the WMD and Terrorism is in decline.
------


thankyou re the claim you make in point 2.

Anonymous said...

Wait till you hear where the Tories are going

Shotgun said...

Things haven't changed Guido...he is still talking utter shite.

The difference now is that he has to try and justify fucking everything up...and can't.

Why do peopl insist he and New Labour got elected and re-elected on thier own merits, when it is self-evident for all to see that the Tories lost? PR and spin are the name of the game now, and the great unwashed swallow it, or at least some, and growing less do.

When utter fucking idiots like Blears can go on national TV and speak such drivel, what hope is there for most others?

fuchsia groan said...

Blears looks and talks like a robot. Her unblinking stare is uncanny. New Labour ministers as a breed are scary. Are there any real human beings amongst them? People who remember what things are like in the real world?

Pillars said...

Blears and Hewitt are two of the biggest windbags in the regime. They talk endless meaningless drivel. They don't exist in the real world. They are the alan partridge of politics - think on how alan insulted norwich farmers, who then went on to drop a dead cow on his passing boat.

Anonymous said...

To the person who asked 700% v 21%? Don't you mean 700%+21%? Complaining about something, then raising it still higher, even slightly, doesn't stack up.
The Falklands War was justified, part of UK was being invaded, it had to be defended.

Tone made me do it - he's a bad influence said...

shotgun:
where did you get that green man thingy from?
I want one of those and I want it now

Anonymous said...

What will come out in the future about Blair and New Labour?

This makes interesting reading...

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html

judith said...

Demon Eyes was thought up by I Duncan Smith - he boasted about it at the time, then learnt to shut up.

bureaucrat said...

'How things have changed..' Really? Trying to work out just how much things have changed after that speech it was really quite hard to download the Labour Party constitution so that the procedure for implementing the superficial message, 'I've gone..' could be evaluated. It's actually called Rules, not Constitution, and even on the official Party website there are no pointers as to where it might be found. There are pufferies and bits and pieces on famous changes, but the whole shebang is quite trikki to find and I'm still not sure I got all of it, though any sections missed must be kept even more obscured, or enjoy some special status. After I read the bits on leader, election of leader, powers of leader (and all this seems to apply to deputy leader too) I was impressed by how irrelevant was Blair's performance yesterday to continuing his course, how powerful is the Rulebook position not just for him but for Prescott as well, wholly separately from Blair's actions, and how great the amount of leeway for interpretations of these rules.
Have a look, but that man and his fat controller are no further away from power than they were in 1997. It's theirs to play with; until the agenda is delivered , i.e. the casinos (and, incidentally, the springing of the minister for culture's husband from the Italian trap, seeing as she has, formally, the final word on casino contract awards and that is surely her minimum price), the privatisation of major public services, the institution of major nuclear power contracts for US firms, the securing of the drug and oil routes - someone else can go on to list the collapse of UK democratic institutions....

SirAlf said...

Still talking utter shit thats for sure, but WOW some of that shit has certainly changed. The bit about protecting British industry UND and leaving the EU are conclusive.

He is a LIER, has been all of his political life, therefore more then likely always has been.

Miranda!! I think Billy Lier or little smarmy C..T would have been more applicable. In those days us real men would not have known what a GAY was, even if he were in our own families, never mind when all we did all day was try to get a look up teachers skirt.

I think most of us knew someone in our class at school with the personality of our Tone, normaly we just beat them up a lot. The last thing we ever thought his type would end up doing was running ANYTHING, never mind a country.

The smarmy little C..T does proves one thing.

You cant fool all of the people all of the time but you can get away with "bloody murder" for long enough. Especially when the BBC are on your side, the people that vote for you dont have a real faith anymore, or are simply just thick and lazy.

prawn crackers said...

SirAlf are you one of the souf london Garnetts. Get on the A list and you will have my vote, sir.

SirAlf said...

I suppose Tone and Gordon spent most of their time looking up teacher skirt as well. They did both go to Scotish schools.

fruitcake said...

this site is turning into the "ugly club" isn't it Guido?

CityUnslicker said...

you'll be sorry when he's gone
shurely he has done no wrong

ever since 1983
he's had that wunderful smile-y

I am poor at poetry , but this man saved the country thrice. He saved our Queen with that marvellous speech when our princess died. He saved our honour by sticking with Bush and he saved our public services by throwing our money at them.

fcuk Alison poxy Lapper. Where is his statue to go

PP Peter M. xx

ian said...

Did you draw that Salvador Dali 'tache on Tony's face?

scroblene said...

I didn't actually hear the Brown speech live, (working), nor did I hear the Blair speech live (working again), and I heard a snip of the Clinton speech today on the news at one while I was - guess - (driving). I’m a busy boy aren’t I! Had to listen to them on the news each time. What a foul stench of cant and hypocrisy!

So, as I see it, (having taken a course in translating Nick Robinson), I work to pay my taxes to pay for a few 'anonymous' posters and, keep my home fires slightly burning while these political talk-shoppers fart about and explain why they think they are so bloody fantastic while they are so incompetent. - (thanks Hitchens, you often get it right... don't like the ‘c...’ reference so often though, but I'm sure you are in the same sort of business as me from what you say).

Most of the political dick/fanny heads in government today couldn't hold down a real job, they love the sound of their own voices and get paid zillions whether they are right or wrong. The screaming bulls**t and knicker-wetting insincerity just makes me want to beat them all into the ground like tent-pegs.

Guido, please, can you get a big Blog together for finding out why any building development in the UK has been totally scuppered by lazy and feeble council planners and also government interferers who have their pensions to think of before their clients (i.e. The Public and Business People)? Sorry that this has to include Prescott, but he started it.

Rant… rant… rant… mumble… bastards the lot of them…Even white-van man deserves some credit here – at least he is on the road before all those lazy sods have thought about why they exist!

siralf said...

The day the Tory party puts the likes of me on any type of A list, the Queen god bless her will have to be doing my laundry.

cab driver said...

dontcha worry, siralf, the likes of Iain Dale wouldn't stand for having anyone like you on the A list, mate. Too exclusive, innit.

I 'ad that Iain Dale in the back of my cab once. Dumped 'im orf in West Kensington I did, glad to see the back of 'im.

Saucy Jack said...

Fifteen minutes of fame, a week is a long time in politics, blah, blah, blah...Guido you're time is up you supercilious, smug, non-commentator. Let's have some news, not History. Since you hit No.1 on Google you became an irrelevance. The cutting edge moves on. With Tony's last speech you all became Fin De Siecle.

Furthermore I unmask you as the stuck-up, and faintly camp, Andrew Pierce! Bring back the moist and quavering Daisy Sampson (alright McAndrew but she was fitter as a Sampson).

Guido - the truth is you can't go on forever.

Anonymous said...

your taxes dont pay for me scroblene 9.20

tis true

guio said...

keep going with the blog Guido, I like it, it's funny

Thomas Fuller said...

Speaking of Alf Garnett ... Tony Booth (the scouse git son-in-law) is TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING!

For BOOTH brainwashed his accursed daughter, DUESSA, in the ways of the BRUVVERS. She was hideous and could not find a paramour; so she cast cunning spells and fashioned vermeil and wax and two glass eyeballs and a set of dazzling teeth and made herself a lover: and she called it ANTHONY. For he is her monster, and she his creatress. At midnight in her workroom, arms raised, DUESSA uttered terrible incantations and brought down lightning from the firmament, even from Heaven. And lo! The thing moved! It took the spark of life! It raised itself up. It grinned and said, "Hi, you guys, yer-know, I'm a pretty straight sort of monster." And there, in the corner of the laboratory, dark forces had spawned a second creature, a doppelganger to ANTHONY, and its name was MANDELSON. And it spoke in tongues, and said to ANTHONY: "You are made of the body-parts of Old Labour! I know your secret! My hold upon you shall be eternal!" (to be continued next Saturday morning in this same cinema!)

Tony Booth, the lunatic who fried his own hand on the cooker. If only, aged 12, he'd fried his genitals instead.

battle of vienna said...

"This makes interesting reading.."

dont forget about Operation Ore. we have yet to hear to full story about that one.

Anonymous said...

I find it hard to beleive that Blair would cover up for paedophiles, if that's what you're hinting.

realist said...

If you capture the phot on a photo editor and turn it into a negative he looks like bloody Al Jolson. Unfortunately it doesn't improve him much and even on this old photo he still looks like Blair the c**t.

scroblene said...

Anonymous 9.46

Of course I didn't mean you - you're fantastic!

Really sorry for saying that now, rant moments are truly flattened like feathers now, ready for sleep...

Tis true too. Kip well.

Anonymous said...

bullshit alert: Millibland on Newsnight just now . . .

Richard said...

anonymous,

21% over ten years, because of inflation means that in real terms, the price has gone down slightly.

Simplisi said...

Oi, here in Wales prescription charges are going down and they are going to be abolished. That is devolution for you! It is only you English residents who suffer some of Tony's policies. Listen carefully to all the conference promises and sound bites and consider which ones actually affect any part of the UK apart from England.

Fruning Graplecard said...

Betrayal is a dish best served with extra cheese.

Idle said...

Falklands was entirely down to a Foreign Office strategy that was not far short of encouragement to the Argies. Okay, Maggie had been in power for 3 years by then but the Hurd types in the FCO had a much stronger grip in those days. After the Falklands debacle, never again were they given so much rein. From then on, Maggie gripped it, and the "retired diplomat" letters started arriving in the broadsheets almost weekly, always tut-tutting about her interference in diplomatic circles, as though it was no responsibility of hers. The patronising old buffer who wanted Homg Kong sold down the line without any negotiation about (partial) democracy post 1997 was a memorable case in point.

They were a different bunch in those days, the FO, and were synonymous with managing the retreat from empire and the decline of British influence. Barely a backbone to share between them. (Honourable exceptions excepted).

Shotgun said...

Listen, you Labour dick sucking morons....

The POOR do NOT pay for their prescriptions, and NEVER HAVE...so the cost of prescriptions is right as it is only those who can afford to pay for them who do.

Imbeciles should look at who pays instead of what they pay, a bit like the whiners over poll tax when the poor didn't even pay.

Typical Labour imbeciles looking to discredited historical 'facts' to justify how THEIR party has fucked up.

And I'm in Wales and the Welsh Assembly, that overpriced tier of wankers, and the charges are going down and the Ambulance Service and Hospitals being closed to pay for the charges being abolished. Don't you realise NOTHING IS FREE What the fuck is wrong with you lot? We pay, only in different ways.

IT IS SIMPLE!! THE POOR PAY TO SUBSIDISE THE BETTER OFF!! General taxation subsidises the charges...ergo, those who pay the biggest proportion of their income in general taxation, pay far more.

I'm a Tory and I understand this very simple concept...you Labour supporters want to see the poor taxed more and more, as Bliar and Brown has done, just to feed your desperate need for eye catching initiatives and headlines.

Tossers ------>>>>>

Tone made me do it - he's a bad influence said...

Shotgun
I do not have an angry green man thingy waving in an angry way.

I think that it it is time for a tax on angry green men thingies waving in an angry way so that at times we (the "withouts") may all use such a device, if only on a rotational basis.

Anonymous said...

"Waving in an angry way"?

I need glasses, I thought he was having a w..

garypowell said...

If a man does not lie, he can do no harm.

If he can do no harm he can not be guilty.

If you cannot be guilty he can not be blackmailed.

If you can not be blackmailed he cannot be controlled.

If you can not be controlled he can not be "trusted."

If he can not be "trusted" he can never be allowed to become prime minister.

The trick is to stop lying when you no longer have to and become a true statesman.

Seems that with some PMs they have lied so much and for so long they become a lie themselves. So not lieing would result in them ceasing to be a physical entity at all.

The mark of a congenitle lier is seen when the person lies when they do not nead to.

Like for example, making a speach infront of hundreds of intelligent people, when the fellow has already told everyone that he is leaving power soon, that is full of unqualified lies from start to finish.

Was not Walpole a compleat bugger? However he did set a very early and long lasting example for many to come.

About Tony Blair I could not possibly comment.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:32, http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html.

What absolute bollocks that site is. The handgun ban after Dunblane was political expediency. Nulab saw a vote winner and the Tories joined in so Nulab didn't get one over on them. Almost all the documents from the Cullen enquiry are now de-restricted so no massive cover up there.

Compare and contrast with Hungerford in dear old Maggie's tenure. No public inquiry and no available public documents. If there are skeletons, that's the cupboard to look in. Best rumour is that the perp's Mum was shagging a Thames Valley Police official hence FAC granted in record time; but I assure you that's totally scurrilous and my view has nothing to do with TVP threatening to sue the arse off anyone who claims they're not whiter than white.

632C5R09OW8 said...

632C5R09OW8


ftssoldier.blogspot.com
www.edwardsaid.org

Tony Bliar brought Britain into 5
wars.Was tony bliar a trot during 1983 general election or was he Just a tory in waiting in the labour party? Please reply.

Yaffle said...

Yes he came in as a charlatan and metamorphosed into The Alchemist. There's a very good play on in London about him with Alex Jennings playing Tony Blair.

Anonymous said...

There is a role for opportunists in British politics.........what the CPSU called "kareerists" whose main aim is personal glory and personal wealth...............when the Blairs move to New York to be near the Clintons in Fairyland and find how the river of money flows through their front room..........Tony will one day work out what had really been going on during his 'trip' through recent British history

Shotgun said...

Tone made me do it - he's a bad influence said...

Shotgun
I do not have an angry green man thingy waving in an angry way.

I think that it it is time for a tax on angry green men thingies waving in an angry way so that at times we (the "withouts") may all use such a device, if only on a rotational basis.


Anon was right..he is not waving, he is calling the object, or various objects, of our ire, a wanker...ô¿ô

You have my permission to cut and paste him into your own system and use him whenever the words Labour/Bliar/Socialist/Milliband/Brown/Reid/New Labour et al is used.

Shotgun said...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:32, http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html.

What absolute bollocks that site is. The handgun ban after Dunblane was political expediency. Nulab saw a vote winner and the Tories joined in so Nulab didn't get one over on them. Almost all the documents from the Cullen enquiry are now de-restricted so no massive cover up there.


Actually, the handgun ban was brought in by the Tories, with the exception of .22 rimfire which is used in the Olympics. Labour also banned .22 which is just about the only thing they did about handguns.......except that is for almost five years ago relaxing the laws so you can own handguns by the bucketload again, only they can't be kept at home...they kept that quiet.

So you and the site are talking bollocks.

raincoaster said...

Shotgun, what does it say about me that I thought he was rolling dice and praying for luck?

Oh, and everybody who worked with Ron Jeremy had that smile, trust me.

Anonymous said...

Floozy said...
Please remind me - exactly how much is a prescription these days?

Standard prescription charge is £6.65. See:

http://tinyurl.com/z9ol7

An increase from the £1.40 in the Bliar flyer is therefore an increase of 375%

Anonymous said...

Ahhhhhhhh hasn't the country improved, NOT!!! The grin hasn't changed either but now it's something that Cherie has adopted.

The Blind-Winger Jones said...

Yes thankfully, things have changed markedly from 15% mortgage interest rates and millions of people consigned to the dole by the sheer incompetence of the conversatives over an extended spell.

strapworld said...

raincoaster...tell us more please, or is that raincoat used for other purposes these days?

On behalf of all true men of Kernow may I object to 'not gay abandon' who made the assertion that Blair had some kernal up him!

I thought this blog had identified Brown as being his husband at one time. They certainly are acting as if they have had a lovers tiff now do they not.

Urbis said...

Has anyone got Brown's election literature from the 1983 (or any pre-1997) election?

Dr Maybe said...

Oh yes, Guido. We shouldn't remotely trust anyone who's political views have changed in the slightest over the last 23 years.

Come on, seriously. Does anyone believe the Conservative Party have to stick rigidly to every single manifesto promise they've made over the last three decades as well?

Anonymous said...

That wanking bloke said

Actually, the handgun ban was brought in by the Tories, with the exception of .22 rimfire which is used in the Olympics. Labour also banned .22 which is just about the only thing they did about handguns.......except that is for almost five years ago relaxing the laws so you can own handguns by the bucketload again, only they can't be kept at home...they kept that quiet.

yes, the ban was proposed by the tories but only after nulab declared they would ban handguns and it therefore became an election issue. The idea you can own buckets of handguns again is rubbish. You can own selected historic pistols if kept in a handfull of very secure armouries around the country, and you cannot remove them from the premises

Richard said...

anonymous,

That's 375%... since 1983.

21% since 1997, when it was £5.80.

Basically, the Tories put it up and kept putting it up, well over inflation, while the Labour party put it up by or under inflation, so it came down in real terms.

I'm no Labour apologist, but on this one Guido and anonymous have got it wrong.

Average guy on the street said...

Who Knows:
"2. Falklands war did not make the world a safer place."

And the Iraq/Afganistan wars did, did they?

Shotgun said...

yes, the ban was proposed by the tories but only after nulab declared they would ban handguns and it therefore became an election issue. The idea you can own buckets of handguns again is rubbish. You can own selected historic pistols if kept in a handfull of very secure armouries around the country, and you cannot remove them from the premises

You are...how can I put this tactfully....talking absolute bollocks, and it is a pity someone with half a braincell should do that on this issue.

Being a registered gunmaker, I know the laws.

Historic arms...yes...sporting arms...yes...collections of arms...yes. All can be fired and kept in secure armouries...just as I said they couldn't be kept at home..what did you think I meant moron, keeping them in somebody elses garden shed.

You want to own and fire a Desert Eagle .44 magnum? No probs as long it is kept in a secure armoury. Colt .45? No probs.

Get your facts straight before you gob off.

Shotgun said...

Should have added too, just to shopw hat a Labpur dick sucking imbecile this particular anon is...

You are saying the Tories banned handguns, but only because Labour made it an election issue, so therefore, it was really Labour that banned them?

Moron.

Anonymous said...

this is getting boring and it's my last word on the matter.

that wanker said

You are saying the Tories banned handguns, but only because Labour made it an election issue, so therefore, it was really Labour that banned them?

Yes. Totally. A spineless tory regime were up for a stuffing at the polls and labour made the agenda. The tories responded so as to not make it an election issue. If you've forgotten that you have a short memory.

wanking bloke said (while thinking of his guns)

you want to own and fire a Desert Eagle .44 magnum? No probs as long it is kept in a secure armoury. Colt .45? No probs.
Colt 45 is a section 7 historic arm if it's a WWI vintage example it can be collected and kept in an armory. Desert eagle - pull the other one. The odd example in a specialised UK collection perhaps, own them by the bucketload my arse.

I would suggest you get a soapbox and shout your views out at Bisley during the next Phoenix meeting ( previously National Pistol Association meeting) and see just how quickly you get your head rammed up your arse.

Sorry for being serious Guido, no more posts from me on this topic.

Shotgun said...

I can't believe you are actually saying this, and it shows a fundamental mental deficiency which manifests itself as a total misunderstanding of how politics works...leave political blogs before you embarrass yourself further...oh hold on, you're a spineless anon aren't you?

Yes. Totally. A spineless tory regime were up for a stuffing at the polls and labour made the agenda. The tories responded so as to not make it an election issue. If you've forgotten that you have a short memory.

I think that about sums up you doesn't it? Fucking idiot. The Tories actually did it...but Labour did it...moron.

I would suggest you get a soapbox and shout your views out at Bisley during the next Phoenix meeting ( previously National Pistol Association meeting) and see just how quickly you get your head rammed up your arse.

Not my views dickhead...the reality of the current laws and real world in the UK regardling handguns. It came about really when Bliar and New Labour, and their knock suckers like you, realised we would never get the Olympics while a ban was in place.

A pity you are an anonymous or somebody might take you more serious, and Guido might listen to the shite you spout as you desperately try and distance yourself from the idiocy you spoke. Labour did it indeed....ROFLMFAO!

Morons like you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

A true son of New labour...wanker.

Anonymous said...

my dear wanking fellow,

you bore me.

And I'm not a Labour voter or supporter.

And I stand by what I said.

And I'm not foaming at both ends like you.

And we got the olympics, and the ban is still in place.

And could you please quote me a price for the bucketload of Desert Eagles you say I can have?

Shotgun said...

I bore you? You bore yourself. Mental deficients that claim Labour enacted policies merely because they wanted them, and in fact the Tories did, need to reassess their mental health programme.

Talking utter shite when you said you aren't a Labour supporter; it is self evident you are a true son of Tone.

The ban is not in place for sporting shooting anymore wally...which is why we got the Olympics...think about it using both brain cells.

I would quote you a price for a bucketload of Desert Eagles if you weren't an anon, in fact, I quoted someone only last week which is what prompted the quote.....

But you already knew all that didn;t you and are merely tryint to save face after making yourself look a complete cock, which is further why you are determined to stay anon...which is further why you have no credibility...quite apart from talking utter shite. If you understood the law it might be worth discussing it with you, but as it is you are nothing more than a source of mirth and pity. Ask yourself this dickhead...how do you define a historic or sporting arm? Oops. mustn;t get you into the realms of rationality...that is preserved for people with double figure IQ's or those who are not Labour knob lickers.

Have you went crying to Guido yet with an email? I suspect so.

Anonymous said...

did you declare your mental health problems when you applied for your RFD?

G Eagle Esq said...

Dear Senor Guido

I wonder how (if at all) Sedgefield benefits from having Mr Blair as its MP

In 1999, it was said, that his Constituents had 2 comforts :

1. They never saw Mr Blair in his Constituency

but

2. That year, they saw more of French President M. Mitterand (who was paying a flying visit to the Constituency) than they had seen of their MP

Tot Siens, Meneer

G Eagle

Anonymous said...

the bloke in the picture was in rentaghost wasnt he?

Oh no, timothy claypole had more substance!